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[Effigenius]

The best part is that this move is going to end up selling less xbox ones. They have now pissed off a major chunk of the TR community who will likely never buy something they may have considered before. The apology pretty much tells me that they know this already, but S-E already took the cash.

Money well spent.

Lol. No it won't. TR2 doesn't come out for over a year. By that point the general public will be way over it and the only ones still fuming will be the hardline console warriors who were never going to buckle anyway.

 

[kpaadet]

I asked Square Enix for more clarification and they said "What we’ve announced today is that Rise of the Tomb Raider, coming Holiday 2015, is exclusively on Xbox."

That makes it seem like it's NOT a timed exclusive. I asked them to clear this up and haven't heard back yet. Sure wish these companies would treat their fans with respect and talk like human beings instead of machines.

Must suck that companies treat you guys (and the rest of us aswell) like puppets that needs to have every piece of information spoon-feed according to their marketing plan.

 

[Dragon]

Well it's certainly a spiritual sequel. I mean the gameplay is very similar. And all the people who are excited for blood borne seem to be demon souls/dark soul fans

Bloodborne is being made with help from Sony WWS.

 

[aspiegamer]

I asked Square Enix for more clarification and they said "What we’ve announced today is that Rise of the Tomb Raider, coming Holiday 2015, is exclusively on Xbox."

That makes it seem like it's NOT a timed exclusive. I asked them to clear this up and haven't heard back yet. Sure wish these companies would treat their fans with respect and talk like human beings instead of machines.

That might be accurate! A later PS4 version could be called Rise of the Dawn of the Planet of the Tomb Raider with new content or ... something?

Anyway, if they're sticking so hard behind the particulars one gets the impression that they're displeased now and hopefully understand that they've made a mistake. You boast and brag when you're happy about a deal and add as much PR fluff to your statements as possible.

 

[Katze mit Hut]

This could be a brilliant move by SE. By letting MS pay them to keep it off PS4 temporarily, they're able to use that to their advantage as an outside force that causes them not to have to compete with Uncharted 4. When they finally come to PS4, they won't have to compete directly with Uncharted 4 release and they can point to MS as the reason. It's also a win for Sony and Naughty Dog as they have zero competition in the genre when Uncharted 4 comes out.

If they release the game 6 months later, they should have ps4 preorder numbers that are higher than the xbox ldt up to this point. Everyone will be happy to get a good game in June, when there are no or only few good games around. So in the end SE could be the smart ones here.

If they sold that game to MS otherwise... well if they did, they just killed the game outside of the US and seriously threaten the franchise on the whole.

 

[JoJo UK]

He went too far but more importantly the re-release of the remake sold like what 75% PS4? LOL S-E.

Totally went too far and don't get me wrong, I can't understand S-E's reasoning behind this and I'm an XB1 owner.

 

[mjc]

If there's one thing I enjoy, it's console wars. Stop being such whiny manchildren about this stuff and enjoy the games. I seriously don't understand brand loyalty.

 

[markedbravado]

Because people just invested in the reboot on PC and twice on PS3/4 aren't going to get to play the sequel, it's pretty straight forward, the reboot just started.

And it's not like Bayonetta where the franchise was dead and a sequel was never going to be made in the first place.

This is also my biggest takeaway from this. That is really foul mann. It's not right.

 

[Four_Chamber]

The best part is that this move is going to end up selling less xbox ones. They have now pissed off a major chunk of the TR community who will likely never buy something they may have considered before. The apology pretty much tells me that they know this already, but S-E already took the cash.

Money well spent.

Yeah OK boss

This sounds like Final Fantasy XIII logic

 

[smurfx]

SE is the master of great management lately.

you think microsoft is paying for the development of the game?

 

[TGO]

Will be Nexxi porting it to PC/PS4 anyway and by default they usually do the better versions, CD hasn't development a playstation game since the PS2, even the 360 games had exclusive DLC on Xbox and that was before Square Enix took over.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Did anyone complain about Ryse exclusivity?

Eeeeeexactly.

 

[Bollocks]

It honestly sounds like they'll release it on PC and PS4 under a different name or add a Definitive Edition subtitle.

PS4 version will be called Return of the Tomb Raider

 

[JLeack]

I dont get how everyone gets so pissy when ms doea this. I always see ms get shit here for anything they do even if sony does very similar or the same things.

It's lame but both parties do it. Sony moneyhatted the hell out of Bungie and whoever makes No Man's Sky.

I mean, no company is exempt. Just look at exclusives. Who is to say Nintendo games can't be on other hardware? But no, Nintendo wants its platform to reap the benefits of exclusives.

IMO a lot of people are just mad because they declared their "allegiance" this generation and Microsoft is managing to do a damn good job with software. Its pretty simple, really.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Because it is probably written into the contract they signed that they cannot say a definitive YES or NO.

No one is asking them for a release date though. Simply clarifying a statement shouldn't take so long. For all the "I see no arguments in Sony threads about timed exclusive games" comments in this thread, it amazes me that we know those are actual timed exclusives faster than we know if this is.

 

[Effigenius]

So I guess if Destiny was announced at E3 to be an Xbox exclusive, Gaf wouldn't have melted down over it because it's a new IP and a spiritual sequal to Halo right?

 

[rothbart]

I asked Square Enix for more clarification and they said "What we’ve announced today is that Rise of the Tomb Raider, coming Holiday 2015, is exclusively on Xbox."

That makes it seem like it's NOT a timed exclusive. I asked them to clear this up and haven't heard back yet. Sure wish these companies would treat their fans with respect and talk like human beings instead of machines.

That's weird because when I read it, it makes it seem MORE like a timed exclusive. Why always force the "coming Holiday 2015" to be a part of it. Is "Tomb Raider, coming Spring 2016" available for multiple platforms then?

 

[BokehKing]

Well it's certainly a spiritual sequel. I mean the gameplay is very similar. And all the people who are excited for blood borne seem to be demon souls/dark soul fans

Demon souls was exclusive
DDark souls was not
So you really can't just throw the 2 together

 

[Fehyd]

Well it's certainly a spiritual sequel. I mean the gameplay is very similar. And all the people who are excited for blood borne seem to be demon souls/dark soul fans

Its more like Devil May Cry fans being excited for Bayonetta.

Similar games, similar styles, similar draws, but completely different ip's that appeal to the same audience.

 

[darkwing]

Because it is probably written into the contract they signed that they cannot say a definitive YES or NO.

this is the most reasonable answer, they can't say timed exclusive because it would certainly not help with xbone sales, and they can't say fully exclusive/only on xbox because it isn't

they are just going to stick with that PR statement for a year lol

 

[plasmawave]

Lot of things are going on in this thread. Some are arguing that Bloodborne is a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls which was a PS3 exclusive, and makes sense for Sony buying the IP, and now you say that it has no correlation to those games. Ahhhhhh

I don't know if you're purposely acting dense or not, but yes, Bloodborne is a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls and yes they're both co-developed with SCEJ.
HOWEVER, that doesn't mean the game is a direct sequel to Demon's Souls.
This is as ridiculous as saying Bioshock is a direct successor to Systemshock 2.

I'm sure Dark Souls 3 will remain multiplat.

 

[Somnia]

What I find funny is Sony did this to Sega back with the original Tomb Raiders during the PS1/Saturn days and Tomb Raider was NOT multi-platform (other than pc) back then. It didn't go majorly multi-platform till xb360/ps3 days. Yes a couple were ported to Dreamcast, but it wasn't until Underworld that the became full on multi-platform.

Sony money hatted this series during the PS1 days also. Hell PS2 had a Tomb Raider game exclusive to it also (even though it was garbage).

 

[roytheone]

Man, the communication about this deal has been absolutely terrible. We still don't really know what kind of exclusive this exactly is, right?

 

[stay gold]

Must suck that companies treat you guys (and the rest of us aswell) like puppets that needs to have every piece of information spoon-feed according to their marketing plan.

To be fair they probably have a contract with MS that prevents them from speaking about the possibility of other versions.

 

[mjc]

Well it's certainly a spiritual sequel. I mean the gameplay is very similar. And all the people who are excited for blood borne seem to be demon souls/dark soul fans

Bloodborne is definitely a spiritual successor to the Souls games, anyone is blind not to see that. You're definitely right.

 

[Sheroking]

This is also my biggest takeaway from this. That is really foul mann. It's not right.

You'll get the game in like 3 months probably.

Also, I'm not sure what "investing in the reboot" means. You bought that game, you were never promised a sequel or a collection.

 

[Ampersands]

It's Bayonetta 2 all over again...

Spoiler

I doubt people care as much though.

 

[DOWN]

Did anyone complain about Ryse exclusivity?

Eeeeeexactly.

Ryse the new IP that had no fans or history on another platform?

My OCD just wont let me buy third party games on the weaker hardware. I need the full res.

 

[The Antitype]

I asked Square Enix for more clarification and they said "What we’ve announced today is that Rise of the Tomb Raider, coming Holiday 2015, is exclusively on Xbox."

That makes it seem like it's NOT a timed exclusive. I asked them to clear this up and haven't heard back yet. Sure wish these companies would treat their fans with respect and talk like human beings instead of machines.

If PR speak is your measure for whether a company respects you or not, you must feel hated by every single video game company on the planet.

What do you want them to say? The signed a deal with Microsoft. They're making it as clear as they can to you without breaking the contract.

Do you honestly believe they would come out and in any way confirm that 'yes, this game we've entered into a contract with Microsoft regarding is totally coming to every other platform if you wait long enough, so don't bother buying an Xbox One'?

Really?

 

[jschreier]

Must suck that companies treat you guys (and the rest of us aswell) like puppets that needs to have every piece of information spoon-feed according to their marketing plan.

Yep, it is my least favorite thing about covering the video game industry.

 

[Huggers]

I asked Square Enix for more clarification and they said "What we’ve announced today is that Rise of the Tomb Raider, coming Holiday 2015, is exclusively on Xbox."

That makes it seem like it's NOT a timed exclusive. I asked them to clear this up and haven't heard back yet. Sure wish these companies would treat their fans with respect and talk like human beings instead of machines.

To me that answer screams 'timed exclusive'. It wouldn't seem a good use of funds for Microsoft to pay SE what you would assume it would cost to keep the game completely away from a console with 10 million uses already

 

[Mechazawa]

The best part is that this move is going to end up selling less xbox ones. They have now pissed off a major chunk of the TR community who will likely never buy something they may have considered before. The apology pretty much tells me that they know this already, but S-E already took the cash.

Money well spent.

Haha, come on. People aren't going to spite-not-buy an Xbox One over the Tomb Raider reboot timeline that everyone and their grandmother shit on.

 

[krypt0nian]

Lol. No it won't. TR2 doesn't come out for over a year. By that point the general public will be way over it and the only ones still fuming will be the hardline console warriors who were never going to buckle anyway.

Watch and see. The snowball effect is already happening.

 

[Eusis]

From Software could've picked a different publisher and developed Bloorborne with their aid. It's not like Sony developed the IP, they practically bought it.

This is probably an overly optimistic view of publishers, as many can be conservative in the dumbest of ways. Another angle however is that From didn't even seriously consider making Bloodborne until Sony came to them and went "we'd like to get an exclusive game from you, and we'll just let you do whatever the hell you want and we'll give you funding and development assistance."

And like I said to me that is more like Sunset Overdrive or Scale Bound, games I would be happy to have had on PS4 but Microsoft is funding and publishing, so I can't really be worked up over. Not like Tomb Raider that probably could've come out as the same damn game without Xbox exclusivity, most likely timed at that.

Lol. No it won't. TR2 doesn't come out for over a year. By that point the general public will be way over it and the only ones still fuming will be the hardline console warriors who were never going to buckle anyway.

Release would reignite that. But until that point people probably will quiet down mostly with only some rumblings cropping up now and then.

 

[xxracerxx]

No one is asking them for a release date though. Simply clarifying a statement shouldn't take so long. For all the "I see no arguments in Sony threads about timed exclusive games" comments in this thread, it amazes me that we know those are actual timed exclusives faster than we know if this is.

What? I said it is probably written into the contract SE signed for the XBO exclusivity that they are not allowed to clarify this with a YES it is a timed exclusive or NO it is not coming to other platforms ever.

 

[Chobel]

Well it's certainly a spiritual sequel. I mean the gameplay is very similar. And all the people who are excited for blood borne seem to be demon souls/dark soul fans

It's still not Dark Soul game, the gameplay is similar, but it's still different.

 

[DOWN]

Their shifty language and hardcore stick-to-the-message responses scream timed exclusive.

 

[Rip]

Will wait for PC version in 2016.

 

[TheFatOne]

It's Bayonetta 2 all over again...

Spoiler

I doubt people care as much though.

Lol completely different situation. If Nintendo didn't step in there would not have been a bayonetta sequel.

 

[LittleJohnny]

I would say confirmed why else would the thread title change?

To keep Gaf from imploding?

 

[tronic307]

Microsoft be trollin'

 

[Qassim]

I own an Xbox One, I liked Tomb Raider 2013, but I wont be buying this as long as it is Xbox One exclusive.

Mostly because I want to play it on PC, not on console, but partly because this is just a shitty practice I'd rather not support.

 

[Wereroku]

Lot of things are going on in this thread. Some are arguing that Bloodborne is a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls which was a PS3 exclusive, and makes sense for Sony buying the IP, and now you say that it has no correlation to those games. Ahhhhhh

Who knows its a bummer that Tomb Raider went exclusive after the first game released on everything but sometimes that's how the world works. Either it is timed and ps4 will get it later or people can play it when the XBO gets down to a lower price point. I really don't see this not releasing on the pc at some point.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Ryse the new IP that had no fans or history on another platform?

My OCD just wot let me buy third party games on the weaker hardware. I need the full res.

Daz my point. If you want to establish that there's some sort of pitchfork crew against MS exclusives surely there can be no exception.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

This is so aggravating

Will wait for PC version in 2016.

me too

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

If PR speak is your measure for whether a company respects you or not, you must feel hated by every single video game company on the planet.

What do you want them to say? The signed a deal with Microsoft. They're making it as clear as they can to you without breaking the contract.

Do you honestly believe they would come out and in any way confirm that 'yes, this game we've entered into a contract with Microsoft regarding is totally coming to every other platform if you wait long enough, so don't bother buying an Xbox One'?

Really?

I think he was asking for clarification if it's timed or not. Not for them to talk about the whole dealings. Also if they don't want to explain it, then maybe they should stick by their contract and not give a BS letter to fans saying we still love you but MS believed in our vision and please buy TR:RE to support us.

 

[prwxv3]

How can anyone with basic reading skills say bloodborne and this are in any way similar?

 

[markedbravado]

It's lame but both parties do it. Sony moneyhatted the hell out of Bungie and whoever makes No Man's Sky.

I mean, no company is exempt. Just look at exclusives. Who is to say Nintendo games can't be on other hardware? But no, Nintendo wants its platform to reap the benefits of exclusives.

IMO a lot of people are just mad because they declared their "allegiance" this generation and Microsoft is managing to do a damn good job with software. Its pretty simple, really.

Bungie? Is Destiny coming out day and date with the PS4 version? Is No Man's Sky an established multi platform IP?

 

[Kinyou]

Its more like Devil May Cry fans being excited for Bayonetta.

Similar games, similar styles, similar draws, but completely different ip's that appeal to the same audience.

Yeah I can get that. I just mean that just because it's a new IP it's not like there aren't people who feel burned by the exclusivity deal either. It's not as direct as the tomb raider sequel, but if you want to play the next demon soul/dark soul esque game made by from software, you have to by blood borne on the ps4

 

[Eggbok]

When Titanfall was announced as an Xbox One exclusive wasn't it announced as an exclusive forever. But for this they're only saying Holiday 2015. Interesting.