Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Valhelm said:
Are these Black communities frustrated with police or white people in general, though? I don't know if it can be said that "tension between the races is escalating".
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Frustrated with police and the treatment received, especially the difference in treatment from white cops.

I live in a predominantly black city (60%) with a predominantly black police force and we never have these kind of incidents. One town over, I have been pulled over for "fitting the description" followed and harassed before, the police force there is white.
 
commedieu said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/13/us-usa-missouri-shooting-idUSKBN0GA0Q420140813

This is just what the police want. But hell, maybe its what the people want to. No other outlet besides violence makes this situation worse.
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what a shame.

its what the white racists want too. Instead of looking at the situation, and looking at the history and trying to understand what it might be like to be black in this country, they will view this as yet another "dem black people acting like animals."

I'm white, so I can only imagine what its like. But if it were me, I can't say I wouldn't want to riot too. People can only take so much.
 
abuC said:
Frustrated with police and the treatment received, especially the difference in treatment from white cops.

I live in a predominantly black city (60%) with a predominantly black police force and we never have these kind of incidents. One town over, I have been pulled over for "fitting the description" followed and harassed before, the police force there is white.
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I will quote myself from the last page, the study I linked says a lot about this.

Kurdel said:
People in poorer neighbourhoods prefer and trust the police force more when they deal with their own race. In middle class neighbourhoods, it doesn't matter too much.

The only thing everyone agrees on is the police for should not be segregated.. Just one source for this info, but it still is eye opening.
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abuC said:
Frustrated with police and the treatment received, especially the difference in treatment from white cops.

I live in a predominantly black city (60%) with a predominantly black police force and we never have these kind of incidents. One town over, I have been pulled over for "fitting the description" followed and harassed before, the police force there is white.
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Cincinnati diversified their police force following the riots. I think we can expect similar changes in this town. Or at least, an effort to do it.
 
Askani said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125012195&postcount=1881

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...erguson-missouri-shooting-20140811-story.html

"The Ferguson Police Department has 53 total commissioned officers, three of whom are black and two of whom are other minorities; the rest are white, the police chief told the Los Angeles Times. Three of the officers are women and 50 are men, he said."​

Yes, how ignorant of him. Three instead of two.
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Yup. Totally my bad and I apologize. I misread it. Im sorry for calling him ignorant. No sarcasm.
 
captive said:
what a shame.

its what the white racists want too. Instead of looking at the situation, and looking at the history and trying to understand what it might be like to be black in this country, they will view this as yet another "dem black people acting like animals."

I'm white, so I can only imagine what its like. But if it were me, I can't say I wouldn't want to riot too. People can only take so much.
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Its literally fighting back after years of having your arms and hands controlled by a system and slapped in the face as "Stop hitting yourself" is repeated. The one instance you do fight back, or resist, or try to voice concern, all of a sudden you have to remain calm with the system thats just been fucking you over. You can't raise your voice. You can't show emotion. You have to coherently and slowly explain what the problem is with someone hitting you in the face all your life with your own hands. File a form, and vote in the next election (Which is controlled by unions/special interests anywhere that matters) . To hopefully reprimand the entirety of a system that is hitting you in the face with your own hands. In the meantime, while you're patiently filing documents at your local post office, blacks are getting strangled to death, shot to death, run over, and beaten on the freeway. Or just plain arrested for buying things at retail stores. On top of all of this, most don't even buy that its a legitimate problem. That you're just being out of control, and that there needs to be more strict laws.
 
Kurdel said:
People in poorer neighbourhoods prefer and trust the police force more when they deal with their own race. In middle class neighbourhoods, it doesn't matter too much.

The only thing everyone agrees on is the police for should not be segregated.. Just one source for this info, but it still is eye opening.
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Thanks for the link - that difference in perception as you move up the class ladder makes a lot of instinctual sense, given the institutional nature of poverty.
 
Dali said:
Don't understand why this is considered an update to this story. It didn't happen as a form of protest with the other protesters and this person was allegedly armed. Has nothing to do with an unarmed person getting gunned down. Only correlation is it's Ferguson.
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I can remove it if people feel like it's just a distraction.
 
DreamDrop said:
Because it happened in Ferguson during the protests. How is it not an update?

Also. http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=873836
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It happened just outside of Ferguson actually and it was hours after the last vigil. The cops that responded weren't even the storm troopers that have been dealing with crowd control but from a station outside of Ferguson. So my question is every act of violence going to be attributed as being acts of civil unrest related to the shooting of an innocent civilian because this doesn't seem related other than proximity.
 
Dali said:
It happened just outside of Ferguson actually and it was hours after the last vigil. The cops that responded weren't even the storm troopers that have been dealing with crowd control but from a station outside of Ferguson. So my question is every act of violence going to be attributed as being acts of civil unrest related to the shooting of an innocent civilian because this doesn't seem related other than proximity.
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He also wasn't killed, he is in critical condition last I heard.
 
Brakke said:
In the same breath you said the article has a point and then immediately missed it. "Make something of himself". A murder has "less magnitude" if you kill someone you don't think is about to make something of themself? Go read that piece like three more times.
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Not in an ideal world, but in the world we're in now, victims are not treated and regarded equally or fairly by the media and society, so I wouldnt hesitate to point out that the young man was college bound. That gets people's attention.
Is it fucked up that we have to point something like that out to shake people out of their apathy? That we're essentially creating a hierarchy of victimhood? Yeah, no disagreement there.
 
abuC said:
Frustrated with police and the treatment received, especially the difference in treatment from white cops.

I live in a predominantly black city (60%) with a predominantly black police force and we never have these kind of incidents. One town over, I have been pulled over for "fitting the description" followed and harassed before, the police force there is white.
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One thing this has all emphasized for me : The absolute NEED for Affirmative Action AND Quota Systems in certain occupations in this country. Particularly those related to criminal justice.

After all that has happened....I can't understand why anyone would be against purposefully attempting to diversify that police department.

50 officers in that department with those demographics? And 3 black cops....that's ridiculous. 3 black officers can't fight the white and blue wall.

And I say this understanding that black cops can be just as bad (If not worst) than white cops to other black people. No solution will be perfect. But I think that of all the solutions people have proposed, diversifying that force seems to be the most common sense outcome to all of this.

I hope that leaders in that community (and beyond) are planning to address this. Regardless of what happens with this specific case, it would be a great shame if in August of 2015, there are not more representative officers walking the beat.
 
Duane Cunningham said:
Okay, Anon has uploaded the audio files of police dispatch during the incident. It's 2 hours long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zta9FyoA7TU

They just uploaded it about 15 minutes ago.
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Thats pretty useless. It's not even Ferguson dispatch.

Ferguson police just had a press conference, no new info.

No idea why QT was targeted, no relation to incident.
Body released to family, they are doing their own autopsy.
Number of shots still not revealed (my source says 9 shots - unconfirmed).
Feds are opening an official civil rights investigation.
There is no curfew, but ask protestors to do it in the daytime (peacefully).
 
depths20XX said:
It is interesting though that St. Louis Dispatch was getting their info from the news and they contacted Ferguson PD who apparently didn't know anything about it.
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That was odd but you have people drawing strange conclusions like "AUDIO TAPES: Officer's first move was to call for crowd control. Did not report shooting, did not call for EMS. #Ferguson #MikeBrown"

Which is impossible to tell from these tapes. Why would a ferguson officer call STL dispatch for anything? The only reason is to request additional units. An officer wouldn't even make that call it would be ferguson dispatch.
 
I'm so scared of this country lately.... I watched that recent video about that prom girl who committed insurance fraud and is going to prison for a year and thinking to myself, 'does she really deserve a year in prison where she's likely going to get beat up, etc.?' I'm not against punishing someone like her but think about it.... one year in prison.

And then we seem all too likely to start trying kids as adults and locking them up for decades.

Meanwhile, cops can liberally shoot and kill people and they get paid leave for it.

I'm very scared of where this country is going.

Sorry, I didn't know where else to post it but it's something that popped into my head after watching that prom insurance fraud video and thinking about those two young girls who killed their friend. We seem to be getting more and more strict in punishing people and it doesn't help anyone in most cases. All this while the police seem to be getting away with more and more "accidents". The way our country is treating the average citizen is becoming frightening to say the least.
 
Another witness, click link for video report : http://kmov4.mlnwap.com/article.html#!/111810/c111aacf7bcd8b6d744d40870a09af83

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOV.com) – Another witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, Jr. spoke to News 4 Wednesday.

Tiffany Mitchell, 27, said she did not see what led up to the shooting, but said she arrived right before the fatal shots were fired.

"As I was coming around, I heard the tires squeaking on the truck, and as I get closer, I see them tussling through the window. The kid was pulling off and the cop was pulling in," Mitchell said.

Mitchell told News 4 she saw a door close on a police car. An officer was inside and Brown, Jr. was on the outside. She said the two were arm wrestling through the car window. Mitchell said she then tried to pull out her phone to record. Shots then rang out.

"It just didn't look right for them to be arm wrestling," Mitchell said. "The first gun shot came from the window, so I just started getting out of the way."

According to Mitchell, Brown, Jr, began to run away after the first shot was fired.

"After the shot, the kid just breaks away. The cop follows him, kept shooting, the kid's body jerked as if he was hit. After his body jerked he turns around, puts his hands up, and the cop continues to walk up on him and continues to shoot until he goes all the way down," Mitchell said.
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Fucking disgusting. He was executed Vietnam style.
 
Holy shit. Just got fully caught up on this story today and this is disgusting.

This psycho cop harasses them, grabs the boy, and when they see that the cop is a massive psycho and try to get away from him, he executes the teen.

Wow. Appalling.
 
Going to be much harder for the character assassins now (maybe), as Brown had no criminal record - he had "no prior misdemeanors or felonies against him."

Not that it matter if he did, but at least trying to spin the narrative to make him out to be a gang banger won't hold much water now.

EDIT: beaten, nemss posted this as I was typing it up.
 
So, can we call this an execution yet? Two eyewitness accounts that back each other up and sound much more plausible than the claim that someone would just randomly attack a cop and try to steal their gun.
 
paolo11 said:
I feel troubled reading this.

How can anyone shoot someone innocent like that?
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Clear abuse of power and probably thinking he can get away with it. These kind of cops really need to made an example of. Not sure what the wrestling was about but if his hands are up and he is unarmed that should be the end of it.
 
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