Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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devilhawk said:
This can't be serious.
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He was asked why they needed a mine-resistant vehicle and he said that a lot of people are bombing nowadays. A city of 21,000 people and a police force made up of exactly 53 officers needs a mine-resistant vehicle. I didn't know ISIS had come to Ferguson.
 
Fiction said:
I wasn't excusing him, just predicting what will happen when/if he does come out in support of the protestors. It'll be like the second coming for the right wing media.
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He will be VERY VERY careful in his words though. Because there has been some "incidents" of protesters getting out hand Molotov/looting/beating people up I doubt he will just strongly support them. He will probably support the full weight and investigations of the AG office though.
 
Dragonborn said:
Cops need to be forced to wear cameras. That would solve so many problems.
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That would deal with a lot of incidents to be sure, but at this stage in the proceedings what I really think is that our cops need to be outfitted with equipment proportionate to the kind of activity they're likely to face. Ferguson has what, 20,000 people? Why the hell did they need a small army's worth of military grade vehicles and equipment?
 
LyleLanley said:
From @BenryHailey

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I'm not sure if you can definitely say that he's mocking the protestors based on this image alone but it's still a great picture.
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Agreed. can't tell from picture but could be mocking the 'hands up don't shoot'
 
The Technomancer said:
That would deal with a lot of incidents to be sure, but at this stage in the proceedings what I really think is that our cops need to be outfitted with equipment proportionate to the kind of activity they're likely to face. Ferguson has what, 20,000 people? Why the hell did they need a small army's worth of military grade vehicles and equipment?
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He doesn't need it. However the Pentagon/DOD gives it to them, for free.
 
The Technomancer said:
That would deal with a lot of incidents to be sure, but at this stage in the proceedings what I really think is that our cops need to be outfitted with equipment proportionate to the kind of activity they're likely to face. Ferguson has what, 20,000 people? Why the hell did they need a small army's worth of military grade vehicles and equipment?
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Those 20,000 people are potentially terrorists and criminals. Obviously, you have to be prepared


That's probably the logic they try using
 
heliosRAzi said:
He was asked why they needed a mine-resistant vehicle and he said that a lot of people are bombing nowadays. A city of 21,000 people and a police force made up of exactly 53 officers needs a mine-resistant vehicle. I didn't know ISIS had come to Ferguson.
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Haha. The fact is that most departments don't need them. However, Obama was giving them away for $1 + Shipping. (Not lying) Some departments like Ferguson and even smaller towns decided to get MRAPs to replace their aging SWAT vehicles that they never use.

It's odd though that the military is giving them away to police, yet they keep ordering more.
 
heliosRAzi said:
He was asked why they needed a mine-resistant vehicle and he said that a lot of people are bombing nowadays. A city of 21,000 people and a police force made up of exactly 53 officers needs a mine-resistant vehicle. I didn't know ISIS had come to Ferguson.
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I know what the chief/sheriff was asked. I also know what the poster I replied to said - which was complete bullshit. There has been damage done to people and property by people other than police. That is indisputable.
 
Dragonborn said:
Cops need to be forced to wear cameras. That would solve so many problems.
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Yeah I think that's precisely where this is leading, personally. And frankly, unless something stops the train so to speak, we're headed to a cameras-everywhere-all-the-time world, if we're not basically there already.
 
Ravek said:
He doesn't need it. However the Pentagon/DOD gives it to them, for free.
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The fucking military industrial complex is so broken. Emphasis on the industrial, this is what happens when people are financially motivated to sell as much equipment as possible in perpetuity.
 
The Technomancer said:
That would deal with a lot of incidents to be sure, but at this stage in the proceedings what I really think is that our cops need to be outfitted with equipment proportionate to the kind of activity they're likely to face. Ferguson has what, 20,000 people? Why the hell did they need a small army's worth of military grade vehicles and equipment?
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Why would anyone who is tasked with peacekeeping in the US need that sort of equipment? It shouldn't even exist in their hands to being with.
 
devilhawk said:
I know what the chief/sheriff was asked. I also know what the poster I replied to said - which was complete bullshit. There has been damage done to people and property by people other than police. That is indisputable.
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Oh, I misinterpreted your post. My bad. And yeah, people other than the police have caused damage.
 
Konka said:
Yeah, it's not like he has anything else on his plate. Shame the DoJ isn't investigating, oh wait.
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Yeah, and how many people pay attention to the DoJ?

Now how many people pay attention to what the President has to say? Obama has to get the right words to come out of his own mouth.

Fiction said:
I wasn't excusing him, just predicting what will happen when/if he does come out in support of the protestors. It'll be like the second coming for the right wing media.
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Well of course right-wing media will try to do that, but I'm certain lots of people affiliated with left-wing politics would try the same just from a different angle. I think part of the problem in actually reforming these issues (and others like gun control) is that people look at it from a very right/left binary viewpoint when in reality it's pretty much grey.

The good stuff, the bad stuff...they all have people from both sides deep inside. If we got over this political division we'd be a big step closer to solving these problems.

I extend my warm wishes to the protesters. Keep it peaceful, but don't cower. Don't need more dead bodies out of this.
 
Sai-kun said:
i feel like using that anywhere outside this thread would be super inappropriate, but it's good for here lol.
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Yeah, I meant it as a short-term contextual retort to anything within the confines of current events, not as a general "sic this on people" sort of thing.
 
The Technomancer said:
The fucking military industrial complex is so broken. Emphasis on the industrial, this is what happens when people are financially motivated to sell as much equipment as possible in perpetuity.
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Eisenhower knew, all those decades ago...

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
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‏@PzFeed DEVELOPING: Protesters now heading to the Ferguson Police station. Police threatening mass arrests, protesters just continue walking.
 
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"There's a crowd across from the #Ferguson police department. "

Michael Calhoun @michaelcalhoun 5m

Didn't know that many people had showed up.
 
Professor Beef said:
Eisenhower knew, all those decades ago...
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The second half of that section always gets left off for some reason...
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
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