benjipwns
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Like federal grants can't be used to dictate a local drinking age?
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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timetokill
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from what I understand, there was a regular bottle that was thrown and smashed against a vehicle. the Molotov stuff came later.
Hardly sounds like you're up for any progress if all you want to do is condemn the idea of cameras because of federal limits. As if it is literally the only way possible. You suggest absolutely nothing about how to get cameras on police, which is desperately needed. And again, as I said. We can use the Rialto PD as an example. They managed to do it just fine. Which you ignored originally to throw the whole idea out as ludicrous due to technical financial details. Police departments need to volunteer for it, and the money is available. There is no worry about the money in the USA. Much like when JP morgan donated millions of dollars to the NYPD. Investment can get into the hands of the police department, and it can be used however they need.
A federal third party would be best or some oversight. Any suggestions besides being literal about vague details of action?
If the local police get Fed money to fund their department, the Feds can include the deployment of cameras as a necessary part of the deal.
NEOPARADIGM
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From what I was watching there was an earlier bottle thrown at one of the armored vehicles and that was the initial event that started the shit; the molotov came after that. But that's just what witnesses were saying, I don't think there was video.
Angry Fork
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Protesters don't have a right to be angry and request radical changes in the police/community unless they provide a proposal within legal limits as to how this would be accomplished.
If they can't do this, well then they should just shut up and go home.
If they can't do this, well then they should just shut up and go home.
Of course not.
Federal grants can only be used for stuff that local governments have a vested(pun?) interest in using them for.
Fuck outta here with the idea that monies can be diverted accordingly to certain needs.
Because the situations are completely comparable. No politician would risk letting a police force dry up because they don't want to wear lapel cameras. That would be political suicide.
benjipwns
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Which is why the police would be wearing lapel cameras.
vas_a_morir
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ah, okay.
I was gonna say, if it was a Molotov, that is a significant difference. But, it appears it was just a regular bottle.
you were pretending it was inconceivable because of federal rules earlier. Now its not possible because of politicians.
MikeOfTheLivingDead
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What do you mean by "dry up"?
Is this a joke or something?
benjipwns
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Police are like Sea Monkeys, you have to keep them in water.
So the police force would dry up because dirty cops wouldn't be allowed to be dirty anymore.
Interesting.
Federal grants provide money to local police departments however they are not the main source of funding for your local town PD. You could certainly tie the need to take certain grant money to the condition that you have to spend it on these cameras. It is of my opinion that a large number of PD's would opt out of receiving that funding and politicians who were behind it would be seen and portrayed as defunding police. Thus I think it would be political suicide.
That is how I view how video cameras being tied to federal grants would work out. With extreme resistance.
Reason why wont happen is because of politicians. It has noting to do with the federal mandate.
Black Republican
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they managed to get everything else!
TyphoonStruggle
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bad move by the protestors.
RE: wife of police chief. she's a piece of work, but her views are a non-issue. everyone has the right to believe what they want; just as long as there's no conflict of interest. unless she works in the police department i see no issue.
They're asking them not to shoot black people all the time. They propose the police stop shooting so many black people to accomplish this goal.
Angry Fork
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sarcasm, some people here seem to think that though because random, changeable legal limits trump people's demands for some reason.
benjipwns
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Make them grants to the states as part of a big enough package and the local PD's aren't going to get much of a say.
Jorok Goldblade
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In the current political climate, red states will just refuse the money. Just like they did with local aid in the bailouts, medicaid expansion from the ACA, and now school lunch funding.
State grants would make more sense but seeing as we didn't have the political will power to put limits on guns after elementary students were gunned down I don't have the optimism that this is going to be the event that garners what would most likely be necessary congressional support to make such a change.
That's exactly how I feel.
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Angry Fork
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Remarkably sober response to some hot bullshit. Well put.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto
Stop covering your ears and eyes and repeating its impossible to do.
Half the shit you spout when being serious is along those lines.
Angelus Errare
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If he just cooperates and does what the nice man says he'll be okay. I can't see the whole video so I think both sides are just as guilty!~
everyday math
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benjipwns
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So are we talking about capability, possibility or likelihood here? Because it seemed like you originally started with the position that the federal government doesn't fund local police, not that it's not politically unlikely.
timetokill
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yeah but gay people are often white. they even live in white middle class communities!
have you ever seen a white black person? I didn't think so.
Great California did it. That's going to solve the problem across the nation. California also expanded medicaid for which I applaud them. Red states will not do that.
Originally I was comparing the funding of local PD to the US Army in which the US Army is entirely funded directly by the federal government. I was not taking federal grants for local PD into consideration at the time.
benjipwns
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Insensitive, they're called Albinos.
benjipwns
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Oh, well, might as well just forget about it then. Probably shouldn't have tried to expand Medicaid either.
When they said military grade they're talking about the equipment the police have that is of the same type the military uses. They weren't actually talking about the military's equipment.
These guys are the police:
Your points are meandering. And oddly enough, are now mirroring Angry Forks sarcasm. They used federal and state funding to pull it off. Its a model.
Red states weren't going to let blacks go to school or vote either. Things have a way of changing when effort instead of pathetic excuses are made. But it takes at least a budding attitude of possibility. I listed a multiple source of money that could get into the hands of PD's nation wide. You focused on one. State & Federal funding can solve the problem, and the rest of the states will be brought to modern times kicking and screaming as always.
benjipwns
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In hopes white people give a shit?
I'm all for states taking initiative I however hold very little hope that any real change can be made across the country at the federal level in the foreseeable future given the political climate.
Angry Fork
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For some reason people keep trying to push the police brutality stuff into saying it's a war on poor people, or a danger to 'everyone', which it partly is, but for liberals to ignore the blatant, calculated, organized racism involved is bizarre. The degrees of violence are way different.
The stats on stop and frisk/prison inmates don't lie. There is and always has been a war on black/brown people by police and feds, even if white poor people are getting shat on too the racial aspect shouldn't be ignored.
Aiming for mystical negro points?
everyday math
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That doesn't sound legal.
Click link for pics.
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Wow. I'm... Yeah, these guys aint gonna last long. Holy shit.
Haha, holy shit.
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