Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Angelus Errare said:
The biggest problem is the ingrained institutional racism that permeates this country. Not trying to attack you when I say this, but this is why I don't believe things are going to change. No one is addressing the actual issue; at most a new law will be passed against police (but lets face it...this isn't going to happen) and people will be like "yay progress!" all the while our clear as day to anyone with an modicum of intelligence racist laws will still be around which allows for incidents like these to happen again and again.

The militarization of the police isn't what led to these people in Ferguson protesting; it was the act of one cop treating a black kid/guy like an animal because that's how society at large still views black people; one can say this isn't true there has been huge progress made, and I'd rebuttal things have largely gone unchanged for black people since the 70s because the laws that put black people in the position they're in have not changed. It's the same horrible laws, different era.

People are calling for demilitarization of the police after seeing how the police treat the news personnel and others like them; for most of America this didn't become an issue that concerned them until they saw white people being affected. People are acting like this type of treatment of black people is something new when for black people it's always been this way. The laws just aren't fair at all and this is a direct result of these laws that favor one group of people over another.

Demilitarization is the white issue, equality is the black issue. People see these militarized cops trampling all over the freedom of speech and right to gather and protest and they can directly see how that would effect them in times of protest and as a result have become very vocal about it. But these same people don't see/care about the inequality in application of law and justice that blacks have been going through since forever because that doesn't directly affect them in anyway. So as a result they demand action on what does affect them, and maybe they'll get that change. However at the rate this country progresses for blacks and other minorities (because there is very much a difference in rate of progress for blacks vs whites) it's going to be another 25+ years before someone in a position of power takes a look at these laws and sees them for what they are.

So honestly I couldn't give a fuck about the demilitarization of police force; I really don't give a damn. I want to be able to drive down the street and not get stopped and worrying if this cop is going to kill me because he feels "threatened" by me; I want my brothers and sisters to be able to walk through a protest without getting maced and detained for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I want society to stop painting blacks as these savages and enacting laws that reinforce their fucked up views. I want less Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin, <insert black person killed #76841> by the police because of some quota/perceived threat by the rest of the country.

Honestly, fuck the problems of white America. I'm tired of the focus on these "problems" I'm tired of the constant "well get to your problems after we address these problems" approach/attitude. Like no, fuck you we've been placed on this ever growing "To do" list since the fucking 60s. I'm tired of hearing about these really stupid ass "First world problems" I'm tired of hearing about "women's rights" that don't include the plight of black women, I'm tired of the reactionary "men's right advocates" that don't give two shits about the hilariously fucked disproportionate rate at which black men are locked up. Fuck this faux Gaza outrage, when people in your own fucking backyard are being treated like shit but we have people out here rallying about something happening across the Atlantic.

I'm tired of fucking hipster douche silver spoon fucks co-opting everything then dumping it when it's no longer "trendy". Like those fucks who wear those "I Am Trayvon Martin" shirts. No you're not, you're a white kid from the burbs who majored in fucking Art History while living off your trustfund. This will never be your reality; you sit in front of your computer making stupid caption pictures and sharing it with your friends, many of which don't give a single fuck. You then scour the internet for the next tragedy you can be a part of. Many of these assholes don't give a fuck past surface level interest. They sit in their little coffee shops drinking their overpriced shit water talking about "those poor black people, if only there was something like we could totes do". There is fecal breath, stop sharing those stupid images with dumb captions about "Civil Rights man!" and organize sit ins, gather people in your community to talk to your governor. Your facebook crusade is a crock of shit, I'd rather these people do nothing.
Black people make up all of 12% of the US population. I'm going to be painfully honest, there is very little we can do on our own without the help of a larger subset of the US population; but when the rest of the country doesn't give a shit. It absolutely sends a message to the rest of us and slowly but surely kills our morale. I've already done the cliche "send a letter to your governor" here in FL; I've been downtown and talked to people to get them to become aware...they don't give a fuck and that sends a message to me (and thus this long rant is really a cumulation of my frustrations at people's apathy over these past few days).

Don't get me wrong they are very much real issues, but they're issues that by some coincidence are always exclusionary towards minorities. I want women to have their rights, but I would love more for black women to stop being marginalized and being told their ugly by damn near everyone. Men's Rights? Man fuck that shit in general, boohoo. I'm not even going to address that shit because for the most part... simply put fuck men's rights. Talk to me about black men's rights first then I'll give a fuck about "men's" (read: white) perceived injustice. More women movies in lead roles? I'm down for that, but I'm more down for black women not being basically side pieces to these powerful white men despite the fact that vast majority of black/white relationships in America are black men/white women. I'd be down for the cause if these "more women in lead roles" also covered Asian females, black females, hispanic females. I'd be more down for that if there were more black/asian/hispanic females in Hollywood period; and fuck that stupid argument of "herp derp well maybe there aren't many Asian/Black/Hispanic women trying to be actresses".

You have a bunch of "patriots" who are all cheering this Bundy douche and people like him for "protecting our border" and being anti-government talking about how horrible the government is and how much power they're taking away from the people; but these same chucklefucks are silent when there is actual government fucketry going on in front of them. You have politicians talking about the "American" people but let this shit go on for fucking days while they play golf and snort lines of blow off the asscrack of a hooker while having their underpaid intern pen some shitty response about how bad they feel about how the police have handled things so far and sympathize with the people. No, politicians don't give a shit as long as their pockets continued to be lined by the industrial prison complex they have no incentive to change shit.

Honestly there are days where I am seriously like, fuck this country. This country is a big fucking facade; to the outside this place is fucking amazing and great and omg wow a shining beacon of human achievement, but look past the surface and it's shit; absolute unfiltered 100% no preservatives added shit.

"Things will change"…do people not realize just how long this line has been towed? Like this is all black people hear is that things will "change". What people don't tell anyone is that things will change...after this other issue is addressed. And these "issues" are always pages upon pages long.

Fuck it, it's 5:22am and I'm just venting, upset, frustrated with this country and the government on every level. This shit is ridiculous and inexcusable in every sense of the word. In 50 years shit will be the same for black people, but people will proclaim from the rooftops "look how much America has changed". My future kids' kids will be fighting the same battles that are being fought today.
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Well said.

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The one thing I take issue with is racist laws, I am not saying they don't exist or that laws are not enforced in such a manner as to be racist (stop and frisk =racial profiling). However, our way of government allows for anyone with standing to challenge the constitutionality of a law. Whether or not SCOTUS grants cert. or sides with you is a completely different issue but one does have the opportunity to challenge such laws.
 
First off. I wanna say kudos to Angelus for his/her posts (I don't know what gender you are, I'm sorry).

I do want to comment on one specific part, though. Because it does have more in common with this situation than you realize it does, and there's a point to be made with it.

Angelus Errare said:
Fuck this faux Gaza outrage, when people in your own fucking backyard are being treated like shit but we have people out here rallying about something happening across the Atlantic.
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Now, I'm gonna say this up-front. As a white American college student male living miles away from Ferguson myself, I am nowhere NEAR qualified enough to speak on behalf of either African-Americans or Palestinians, so this is all just what I personally have observed. I have no problem admitting that I'm speaking from a position of privilege, and that can cause me to speak out of my ass on these things sometimes. If I'm doing THAT in the following as well, feel free to call me out and tell me how/why I'm wrong.

That being said, have you read about the tweets from residents in Gaza offering advice for dealing with tear gas to the citizens of Ferguson? Gaza itself has a somewhat similar history to what you're describing, in terms of things not really changing, and from what I've gleaned on it, racism plays a sizeable part in it all as well. I've seen a poster HERE, on NEOGAF, get banned for implying that a Palestinian mob would behead an IDF soldier if that soldier wasn't packing heat and tear gas like they usually do. That's VERY similar to what you describe with society "painting blacks as savages".

You are right that people are MUCH more concerned with Gaza than they are with what's happening in Ferguson, and what THAT represents. Most likely it's because they're more comfortable with speaking out over what's happening across the Atlantic, rather than confronting that there's a VERY real problem with institutionalized racism in the US as well. And you're right, that is bullshit. There's no way around it. I don't necessarily think we should ignore Gaza either, though. My personal ideal scenario is that we're working to end what's essentially the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, AND fixing the root causes of the murder of an 18-year old black male, and the horrid treatment of his body, and the protests, and the police reactions to those protests. I'd also want us to pay attention to what's happening in Syria and with Iraq, especially where ISIS is involved.

That's the ideal I'd hope for, anyways. I don't think it's going to happen with everyone, though. The conditions in Gaza, as well as what I've learned from this thread about the culture of institutionalized racism, they're both topics that require a LOT of in-depth discussion and research, and many people just aren't wired for that. Ferguson and the current conflict in Gaza aren't isolated incidents, they're symptoms of larger problems to be addressed, and if we want to change it, we NEED to talk about those incidents in the context of those larger problems. I feel like anything less would be underselling it, because as was said earlier, when these current events are resolved, not much of the underlying stuff will be changed, but people are going to shift their attention elsewhere anyways. We need to give them a reason to stick around, and right now this is pretty much the only option that comes to mind.
 
Angelus Errare said:
The biggest problem is the ingrained institutional racism that permeates this country. Not trying to attack you when I say this, but this is why I don't believe things are going to change. No one is addressing the actual issue; at most a new law will be passed against police (but lets face it...this isn't going to happen) and people will be like "yay progress!" all the while our clear as day to anyone with an modicum of intelligence racist laws will still be around which allows for incidents like these to happen again and again.

The militarization of the police isn't what led to these people in Ferguson protesting; it was the act of one cop treating a black kid/guy like an animal because that's how society at large still views black people; one can say this isn't true there has been huge progress made, and I'd rebuttal things have largely gone unchanged for black people since the 70s because the laws that put black people in the position they're in have not changed. It's the same horrible laws, different era.

People are calling for demilitarization of the police after seeing how the police treat the news personnel and others like them; for most of America this didn't become an issue that concerned them until they saw white people being affected. People are acting like this type of treatment of black people is something new when for black people it's always been this way. The laws just aren't fair at all and this is a direct result of these laws that favor one group of people over another.

Demilitarization is the white issue, equality is the black issue. People see these militarized cops trampling all over the freedom of speech and right to gather and protest and they can directly see how that would effect them in times of protest and as a result have become very vocal about it. But these same people don't see/care about the inequality in application of law and justice that blacks have been going through since forever because that doesn't directly affect them in anyway. So as a result they demand action on what does affect them, and maybe they'll get that change. However at the rate this country progresses for blacks and other minorities (because there is very much a difference in rate of progress for blacks vs whites) it's going to be another 25+ years before someone in a position of power takes a look at these laws and sees them for what they are.

So honestly I couldn't give a fuck about the demilitarization of police force; I really don't give a damn. I want to be able to drive down the street and not get stopped and worrying if this cop is going to kill me because he feels "threatened" by me; I want my brothers and sisters to be able to walk through a protest without getting maced and detained for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I want society to stop painting blacks as these savages and enacting laws that reinforce their fucked up views. I want less Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin, <insert black person killed #76841> by the police because of some quota/perceived threat by the rest of the country.

Honestly, fuck the problems of white America. I'm tired of the focus on these "problems" I'm tired of the constant "well get to your problems after we address these problems" approach/attitude. Like no, fuck you we've been placed on this ever growing "To do" list since the fucking 60s. I'm tired of hearing about these really stupid ass "First world problems" I'm tired of hearing about "women's rights" that don't include the plight of black women, I'm tired of the reactionary "men's right advocates" that don't give two shits about the hilariously fucked disproportionate rate at which black men are locked up. Fuck this faux Gaza outrage, when people in your own fucking backyard are being treated like shit but we have people out here rallying about something happening across the Atlantic.

I'm tired of fucking hipster douche silver spoon fucks co-opting everything then dumping it when it's no longer "trendy". Like those fucks who wear those "I Am Trayvon Martin" shirts. No you're not, you're a white kid from the burbs who majored in fucking Art History while living off your trustfund. This will never be your reality; you sit in front of your computer making stupid caption pictures and sharing it with your friends, many of which don't give a single fuck. You then scour the internet for the next tragedy you can be a part of. Many of these assholes don't give a fuck past surface level interest. They sit in their little coffee shops drinking their overpriced shit water talking about "those poor black people, if only there was something like we could totes do". There is fecal breath, stop sharing those stupid images with dumb captions about "Civil Rights man!" and organize sit ins, gather people in your community to talk to your governor. Your facebook crusade is a crock of shit, I'd rather these people do nothing.
Black people make up all of 12% of the US population. I'm going to be painfully honest, there is very little we can do on our own without the help of a larger subset of the US population; but when the rest of the country doesn't give a shit. It absolutely sends a message to the rest of us and slowly but surely kills our morale. I've already done the cliche "send a letter to your governor" here in FL; I've been downtown and talked to people to get them to become aware...they don't give a fuck and that sends a message to me (and thus this long rant is really a cumulation of my frustrations at people's apathy over these past few days).

Don't get me wrong they are very much real issues, but they're issues that by some coincidence are always exclusionary towards minorities. I want women to have their rights, but I would love more for black women to stop being marginalized and being told their ugly by damn near everyone. Men's Rights? Man fuck that shit in general, boohoo. I'm not even going to address that shit because for the most part... simply put fuck men's rights. Talk to me about black men's rights first then I'll give a fuck about "men's" (read: white) perceived injustice. More women movies in lead roles? I'm down for that, but I'm more down for black women not being basically side pieces to these powerful white men despite the fact that vast majority of black/white relationships in America are black men/white women. I'd be down for the cause if these "more women in lead roles" also covered Asian females, black females, hispanic females. I'd be more down for that if there were more black/asian/hispanic females in Hollywood period; and fuck that stupid argument of "herp derp well maybe there aren't many Asian/Black/Hispanic women trying to be actresses".

You have a bunch of "patriots" who are all cheering this Bundy douche and people like him for "protecting our border" and being anti-government talking about how horrible the government is and how much power they're taking away from the people; but these same chucklefucks are silent when there is actual government fucketry going on in front of them. You have politicians talking about the "American" people but let this shit go on for fucking days while they play golf and snort lines of blow off the asscrack of a hooker while having their underpaid intern pen some shitty response about how bad they feel about how the police have handled things so far and sympathize with the people. No, politicians don't give a shit as long as their pockets continued to be lined by the industrial prison complex they have no incentive to change shit.

Honestly there are days where I am seriously like, fuck this country. This country is a big fucking facade; to the outside this place is fucking amazing and great and omg wow a shining beacon of human achievement, but look past the surface and it's shit; absolute unfiltered 100% no preservatives added shit.

"Things will change"…do people not realize just how long this line has been towed? Like this is all black people hear is that things will "change". What people don't tell anyone is that things will change...after this other issue is addressed. And these "issues" are always pages upon pages long.

Fuck it, it's 5:22am and I'm just venting, upset, frustrated with this country and the government on every level. This shit is ridiculous and inexcusable in every sense of the word. In 50 years shit will be the same for black people, but people will proclaim from the rooftops "look how much America has changed". My future kids' kids will be fighting the same battles that are being fought today.
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This post is absolutely incredible. Truly well said.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/

Amazing what happens when you treat people as human beings.

FERGUSON, Mo. &#8212; Suddenly, everything has changed.

The heavy riot armor, the SWAT trucks with sniper posts, the hostile glares: tonight in Ferguson they were gone.

A stunning change in tone radiated through the suburban streets where protests had turned violent each of the last four evenings following the police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

But Thursday night, when more than a thousand protesters descended on the remains of QuickTrip &#8211; which was burned during riots on Sunday &#8211; they had a new leader.

The man at the front of the march, was Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ronald S. Johnson, a Ferguson native.

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Protesters said they were still angry, demanding justice for Brown and answers from local police about why he was shot and who the offending officer was.
But, they said, Johnson&#8217;s willingness to physically interact with them, rid the streets of heavy police equipment, and help them coordinate protests was a welcome change in tone.

&#8220;Thank you so much for being here,&#8221; said Karen Wood, who fought back tears as she held both of Johnson&#8217;s hands imploring him to bring answers to residents and maintain calm in the streets.

&#8220;This is about human rights, about human beings,&#8221; she cried. &#8220;It takes cooperation&#8230;our youth are out here without guidance, without leadership.&#8221;

Moments later, as he rallied the crowd and demanded justice and information about the shooting, the man with the megaphone declared:

&#8220;They respect us,&#8221; referring to police. &#8220; So let&#8217;s respect them. They&#8217;ve given us the sidewalk so lets stay out of their street.&#8221;
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BronsonLee said:
I wonder why?

No charges? That dude either better be in police safety or out of the state, because otherwise he's going to have a real shitty time.

I hope his family is prepared.
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I'm not entirely sure if he's saying that no disciplinary is being taken now, or that he's worked there for six years and no disciplinary action has been taken during that time.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
I'm not entirely sure if he's saying that no disciplinary is being taken now, or that he's worked there for six years and no disciplinary action has been taken during that time.
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A local station cleared that up here as no disciplinary action PREVIOUSLY in his 6 years. As I type this they just said it again coming back from commercial.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
I'm not entirely sure if he's saying that no disciplinary is being taken now, or that he's worked there for six years and no disciplinary action has been taken during that time.
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Oh, I HOPE that it's the latter. I'm not sure I can handle this police chief being more incompetent.

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AbsintheGames said:
A local station cleared that up here as no disciplinary action PREVIOUSLY in his 6 years. As I type this they just said it again coming back from commercial.
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Alright, good.
 
Wow, yeah, looks like they are pointing that Officer Darren Wilson was approaching the two due to a robbery that took place at a different location from QT.

People are also getting pissed due to no disciplinary action. My guess is its because the officer is likely already being arrested and charged with murder.
 
InfiniteBento said:
They showed video of the body being loaded into an SUV. I never saw an ambulance. Is there any footage or photographs of this because otherwise I call bullshit
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I don't think they said an ambulance was on the scene I believe they said the officer was on an ambulance call in which he left after getting a robbery call.

Steve Youngblood said:
I'm not entirely sure if he's saying that no disciplinary is being taken now, or that he's worked there for six years and no disciplinary action has been taken during that time.
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I think they meant he has no disciplinary actions against him in the 6 years he worked for the department. That is what the news stations have been showing for the past while.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
I'm not entirely sure if he's saying that no disciplinary is being taken now, or that he's worked there for six years and no disciplinary action has been taken during that time.
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Ooh, good point. That's a pretty grievous misstep.

But yeah, that reporter who had that second name yesterday was obviously correct. That chief was legit shook

Watching it back, that obvious 180 is even more obvious now. He straight up laughs off the Anonymous name, but wasn't prepared for someone to shout the actual name. Get that reporter his due
 
The robbery information seemed like it was just dropped to muddy the water. To lead people into thinking the shooting was connected to a robbery. At least how it was presented. Not at all necessary if they were just identifying the name of the shooter.
 
Hmm... I want to see how bad the robbery was if he was indeed in it. No longer the sweet innocent puppy people make out, but the question would still stand, was the shooting justified?

Personally I think American cops are too quick to pull the trigger, and too many times shoot to kill.
 
EuropeOG said:
Hmm... I want to see how bad the robbery was if he was indeed in it. No longer the sweet innocent puppy people make out, but the question would still stand, was the shooting justified?

Personally I think American cops are too quick to pull the trigger, and too many times shoot to kill.
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Nobody said Mike Brown was in a robbery, or that he was a suspect.

also the bolded makes me sick
 
EuropeOG said:
Hmm... I want to see how bad the robbery was if he was indeed in it. No longer the sweet innocent puppy people make out, but the question would still stand, was the shooting justified?

Personally I think American cops are too quick to pull the trigger, and too many times shoot to kill.
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It's become far too common for police officers to shoot rather than try to just detain the suspects which is absolutely insane.
 
EuropeOG said:
Hmm... I want to see how bad the robbery was if he was indeed in it. No longer the sweet innocent puppy people make out, but the question would still stand, was the shooting justified?

Personally I think American cops are too quick to pull the trigger, and too many times shoot to kill.
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Lovely..
 
He might have worded it awkwardly. I read an article earlier that said he had no prior history of disciplinary action before this.

There's no way they'd say, "lol no punishment for this guy" and drop the mic.
 
Effect said:
The robbery information seemed like it was just dropped to muddy the water. To lead people into thinking the shooting was connected to a robbery. At least how it was presented. Not at all necessary if they were just identifying the name of the shooter.
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Yep. Now Fox News will have it's game-plan. Always mention the robbery when talking about the Brown case.

"Brown was confronted by the police in connection to a robbery that took place" they'll say. Change the narrative. And in a few days everyone will think that the kid was a hardened criminal.
 
Htown said:
Nobody said Mike Brown was in a robbery, or that he was a suspect.
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That's going to be the take away by some people it seems and that was what the guy was attempting to do by even mentioning that in the press conference. To link the two. To somehow justify what the shooter did and influence public opinion. It's going to backfire of course just how every action by the police there have. Given the stupid and horrible actions by the police there it's not unexpected they would continue to pull crap like this.
 
Htown said:
Nobody said Mike Brown was in a robbery, or that he was a suspect.
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They mention they have some video? I assume they are going to release it. They also vaguely mentioned some stuff about a description, then a "more detailed" description.

I can only think they have some evidence relating him to the robbery.
 
Yeah, it sounds like the cop was on a call due to a robbery that had taken place, and on his route, is when he had the altercation with Michael Brown.

At least that's what it seems like. But its hard to tell, this Chief actually made this more confusing. Again, maybe that's their plan, since no one is talking about the police officer, everyone is now questioning whether Michael Brown was involved in the robbery.
 
nemss said:
Wow, yeah, looks like they are pointing that Officer Darren Wilson was approaching the two due to a robbery that took place at a different location from QT.

People are also getting pissed due to no disciplinary action. My guess is its because the officer is likely already being arrested and charged with murder.
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That would be my guess. I'm honestly surprised they didn't charge him already before releasing his name.

nemss said:
Wow, this Chief bumbled this whole thing. Info. is vague.

He is just one giant clusterfuck.
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They should just show his videos to show how not to handle the media. Dude gave up so much info just because of his reaction.

EuropeOG said:
Hmm... I want to see how bad the robbery was if he was in it. No longer the sweet innocent puppy people make out, but the question would still stand, was the shooting justified?

Personally I think American cops are too quick to pull the trigger, and too many times shoot to kill.
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He wasn't part of the robbery. The cop was responding to it, thought they matched the description, and then the situation followed.
 
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