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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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I think at this point the DA is going to charge him even if he doesn't think he is going to get a conviction. People are going to demand a trail.
From the link posted before:
http://www.ksdk.com/media/cinematic/gallery/13835707/police-shooting-at-canfield-green-apartments/
vas_a_morir
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His friend, the eye witness, talked about how he had to run 'in sandals.' I personally knew about him wearing sandals before I ever saw the stills of the guy robbing the store in sandals. Seems like an amazing coincidence, but he could be the unluckiest man in history after all.
jamesinclair
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No, the problem is once again tripping over yourself in a rush to blame the victim WITHOUT THE FACTS
BronsonLee
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With a police chief that has no poker face.
After last night, they should all be embarrassed and ashamed. The shooting and the supposed misinformation is shameful enough, but last night a bunch of Highway Patrol guys came into their backyard and showed them how to do their job. The Ferguson PD looked like a bunch of coward bullies with their body armor and tanks compared to the Highway Patrol, who came armed with green safety vests and empathy.
Yes, but only during the altercation. If he went for the gun, failed, and then ran away, shooting wouldn't be justified. If he was shot anywhere but in the car it can't be justified given the information we currently have.
InfiniteBento
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This makes my blood boil. Holy fuck.
LQX
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Ugh, what a turn of events. He did not deserve to die but there was probably too much of an outrage considering those video caps shows he could have very well been a danger to the officer considering what he did to that old man. Regardless, what terrible police work for something like that to come out after all this drama as it could have subsided all the tension.
It's the same guy
Same weird pattern on shoes/sandals, same length shorts, hat is here
Strongarm is not shop lifting. Strongarm is an old term.
Zoe
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Shoplifting doesn't normally involve assault.
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That's such a ridiculous picture, just because of how true it is about how people think....
There's too many details for any of us to make judgment calls at this juncture other than the officer in question used excessive force. Justified or not, robbery or not, it's time for the FBI to sort this shit out. We've been operating under clearly incomplete facts and I don't know how productive it is for the media to play detective here, seeing as their just going to twist the facts towards their particular bias.
I'm so glad we get to waste our time trying to figure out if the victim was guilty of a minor crime that has no bearing on everything we know about the case so far in terms of the officer's responsibility and negligence instead of, you know, focusing on the extreme use of force and general incompetence of said officer and the entire local police department down there.
:/
:/
InfiniteBento
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What I'm confused about is if Johnson was making statements all this time, why was this "robbery" never mentioned or spoken about? You would think that Johnson would give context as to why the officer stopped them but I don't see it mentioned anywhere.
Its all talk about the shooting but nothing about what happened prior to it. I would think that if Johnson knew they had done something beforehand, that he would've mentioned it SOMEWHERE to any of the people he spoke to, whether it be family or friends or his lawyer or anyone who interviewed him....
Its all talk about the shooting but nothing about what happened prior to it. I would think that if Johnson knew they had done something beforehand, that he would've mentioned it SOMEWHERE to any of the people he spoke to, whether it be family or friends or his lawyer or anyone who interviewed him....
gutter_trash
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he stopped running when he got the first shot and turned around in a surrender pose with arms up.
there are not excuses for the following bullets that came afterwards.
cop is guilty, period
there are not excuses for the following bullets that came afterwards.
cop is guilty, period
Zoe
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Why would anyone admit they were involved in a crime?
InfiniteBento
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Absolutely. None of the action taken towards Brown was acceptable or justifiable in any way.
Dorian Johnson's attorney confirmed that brown stole the cigars. There's not much to figure out.
A guy on CNN (didn't catch his name) is saying it is legal to shoot a fleeing felon. Since he was a robbery suspect, I guess that means he is a felon? Being a suspect walking down the street makes you a felon...
Anyway, he seems confident the cop was in the right. If these are the laws, they need to be changed immediately.
Anyway, he seems confident the cop was in the right. If these are the laws, they need to be changed immediately.
How many shots were fired and how many times he was hit are obviously important details. As far as I understand the officer's version is that he was shot inside the vehicle. Luckily if that isn't true it will be pretty obvious.
MHWilliams
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InfiniteBento
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It's the same guy
Same weird pattern on shoes/sandals, same length shorts, hat is here
ah i see, yeah guess so....
vas_a_morir
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To me, what would make it an open and shut case would be if we had audio or video that showed the spacing after the first shot. If it's "POWPOWPOWPOWPOW" vs. if it's "POW........ POWPOWPOWPOW" you know? many many many a case has been decided SOLELY by the spacing between shots. Usually, the difference between self-defense and murder (even 1st degree murder)
I guess he is if he attempted to take the officers weapon, but yeah that is a ridiculous law if it's true.
Hey guys, lets get the real character assassination going
Hey, that's the same as the jail level from Hitman Absolution. Some random guy passes through their town and gets made a punching bag in jail for the cops. Of course, that was all part of the grindhouse genre - one defined by "unrealistic" levels of violence and sadism.
Fleeing felon rules normally have to come with a condition that the suspect was also a danger to others or to the officer. If there was a confrontation that occurred between the officer and Brown, and a physical attack was made, I can see where they would be arguing this position.
Assaulting a police officer would make you a felon.
Really need the facts to come out.
Supposedly he reached for the gun and punched the officer in the face.
If he did have his hands up and surrendering though he is not really fleeing anymore so I can't see how it would be justified.
Zoe
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Yeah, that was discussed a bit near the beginning of the thread.
Sho_Nuff82
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The real answer is that "fitting the description" is often enough for people to throw someone under the bus, or in this case, to throw out due process.
EatinOlives
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I don't know what's sadder, the Ferguson PD wanting to fabricate a cheap excuse to shoot Brown dead simply by listing him as a suspect, or the fact that the media will buy into this shit hook line and sinker.
I doubt the laws are that clear. It's usually up to the cop to use their discretion, which in this case, was excessive and likely unjustified.
That being said, we still don't know the entire details. We have like 3 conflicting reports here of what went down.
Punchy4486
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To some extent, even 'playing this game' with them is letting them change the narrative. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE WAS THE ONE IN THE VIDEO. They are trying to get Brown's defenders on the defensive so we stop point out this fact.
(Not yelling at you, it was for emphasis).
Very flimsy though
Sweet, now we can focus on literally all the other things I said in that post
What? No it doesn't.
fel·on
ˈfelən
noun
1. a person who has been convicted of a felony.
Mike Brown has no record. He's not a felon.
InfiniteBento
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Do you have a link to this?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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The police department got exactly what they wanted. Very telling that they paired this reveal with the name of the officer.
vas_a_morir
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I'm under the impression that legally speaking, it matters dearly. "Get out of the street!" vs. a suspect fleeing the scene of a violent felony. Definitely changing the narrative, but it's not a trivial difference.
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