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[Evil_Silver]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun, then I don't know wtf happens. Crazy story all around.

So you shoot and kill the person running away with multiple bullets? It only takes one bullet to kill someone. Also, why are you shooting to kill? If a suspect is running away, wouldn't you try to neutralize them and question them to reveal other information?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Apparently according to Brolic Gaoler Brown was a dangerous criminal who needed to be put down.

I didn't say that either, but people here sure love putting words in people's mouths.

The notion that this was completely self defense and that he was shot in a struggle wherein Brown was reaching for his gun only makes any sense at all to me if it's ultimately determined that he was fatally wounded via one shot. If we assume that multiple shots fired is a given, I don't understand the "reaching for the gun" claim. Even if there was such a struggle, as soon as Brown is shot once, clearly, Officer Wilson is control of the gun. Was Brown still reaching for the gun on each of the subsequent shots?

The very questionable part of all of the stories is the officer continuing to fire once the struggle was over, that for damned sure.

 

[marrec]

You witnessed what happened between Brown and the officer?

These situations suck, eye witness reports suck (especially the police). Hopefully something good comes out of this in the way of recording devices on officers.

Emotions are high in this thread so it's understandable, but no one knows what happened yet. Hopefully an independent investigation report surfaces or some video does.

Also the shoplifting / robbery connection is irrelevant.

You misunderstood my point.

If Brown wasn't a black guy he wouldn't have been shot. We've seen, even this week, other black dudes killed because they 'match a description' of someone who may or may not have committed a crime.

We'll never know if Brown ACTUALLY committed a crime because he's dead now and I don't think the police are going to bring a dead guy to trial for robbery.

 

[InfiniteBento]

Where even is Johnson? Does anyone know?

 

[everyday math]

If the other man is the guy in the video in the kitchen... he claims he ran because he was scared for his life. So, maybe that's the explanation: the other guy ran off and evaded police. I dunno.

Either way, I'm sure he would hope that people would stop 'wondering aloud' why he wasn't arrested and using his name.

No I mean he helped rob the store supposedly. So why wasn't he taken in later?

What does the bolded even mean?

 

[BFIB]

Or the hat, guy in the grainy pic is wearing a hat, there's no hat in the pics of Brown dead in the street.

http://www.ksdk.com/media/cinematic/gallery/13835707/police-shooting-at-canfield-green-apartments/

Scroll through, the hat fell off likely when he tried to get away.

 

[MHWilliams]

Where even is Johnson? Does anyone know?

The media has spoken to Johnson multiple times.

 

[teiresias]

Regardless of what the Ferguson PD say, there is still going to be an FBI investigation, so if this is some kind of cover story I hope the Feds parade all of these low-life "leaders" of this police force in front of a jury and throw them in prison.

 

[Revolutionary]

NOT FUCKING SHOOT SOMEONE RUNNING AWAY

Okay, so what do you do in that two second window? Don't answer that by the way, because you've already thought about it for more than two seconds.

Explain the 9 other shots his gun bore into Michael Brown.

I'm not explaining anything?
I'm just trying to make sense of why a cop would resort to deadly force like that. All I can think of is a split second decision to get the robbery suspect to stop running away.

 

[InfiniteBento]

The media has spoken to Johnson multiple times.

Any links? I haven't seen any of his statements about this. Did he mention the "robbery" at all?

 

[Malyse]

No, he was shot for presumably assaulting an officer and trying to get his gun. Seeing as how brown had no problem assaulting a tiny elderly person, it's possible he'd have no problem trying the same shit with a cop.

You are a terrible person.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Any links? I haven't seen any of his statements about this. Did he mention the "robbery" at all?

Nobody has mentioned the robbery to my knowledge

 

[Felix Lighter]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun, then I don't know wtf happens. Crazy story all around.

You do not shoot warning shots. If a cop fires his weapon it should only be in the case that deadly force was deemed necessary and it should be assumed that once the gun is fired it will result in a death. Shooting an unarmed robbery suspect running away because they don't want to be questioned, does not justify deadly force, ever. Basically, allowing cops to shoot any person they decide is a suspect if they run, makes cops executioners.

 

[jamesinclair]

No, he was shot for presumably assaulting an officer and trying to get his gun. Seeing as how brown had no problem assaulting a tiny elderly person, it's possible he'd have no problem trying the same shit with a cop.

I could have sworn you were banned for this shit 100 pages ago

 

[More_Badass]

Where even is Johnson? Does anyone know?

From that Vox article, doing interviews:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

 

[teiresias]

Okay, so what do you do in that two second window? Don't answer that by the way, because you've already thought about it for more than two seconds.

You put down your damn donut and CHASE them. It's not a hard thing to do.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Guys, just a heads up, but Reddit, Twitter, etc. are passing around info on a Darren Wilson with the St. Louis city PD and some folks are claiming its him.

That's a different guy. Not with the Ferguson PD.

 

[Big Baybee]

Okay, so what do you do in that two second window? Don't answer that by the way, because you've already thought about it for more than two seconds.

I'm not explaining anything?
I'm just trying to make sense of why a cop would resort to deadly force like that. All I can think of is a split second decision to get the robbery suspect to stop running away.

You think its ok to shoot someone in the back for being a robbery suspect? You are fucked up.

 

[Cloudy]

I'm not explaining anything?
I'm just trying to make sense of why a cop would resort to deadly force like that. All I can think of is a split second decision to get the robbery suspect to stop running away.

Why would you shoot an unarmed robbery suspect who you have pictures of?

 

[elrechazado]

Okay, so what do you do in that two second window? Don't answer that by the way, because you've already thought about it for more than two seconds.

I'm not explaining anything?
I'm just trying to make sense of why a cop would resort to deadly force like that. All I can think of is a split second decision to get the robbery suspect to stop running away.

officers are trained, and also required to not use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect.

Shooting people on the back for fleeing is not police procedure, anywhere, ever.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Regardless of what the Ferguson PD say, there is still going to be an FBI investigation, so if this is some kind of cover story I hope the Feds parade all of these low-life "leaders" of this police force in front of a jury and throw them in prison.

I'm so glad for that but it still makes me wonder if the blow up of a cover story will actually change things or make people really see how black people are viewed and treated in the US.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I could have sworn you were banned for this shit 100 pages ago

For what, having a conflicting view point than yours? I've not posted anything wrong, the only thing I'm doing is taking a different perspective.

 

[Evil_Silver]

Where even is Johnson? Does anyone know?

That is really weird. If Johnson was an accomplice, there has been ample time to arrest him yet there are no arrests.

 

[rjinaz]

I still wanna know why they didn't arrest the other kid then.

The other kid was on one of the news stations with a lawyer. He said he saw Brown across the street and then decided to catch up with him, indicating that he was not with Brown.

He also said that he immediately tried to talk with officers and reporters, but nobody wanted to talk to him. He was making himself available. If this guy was involved in robbery as they put it, then he would have been arrested by now.

It is possible that the person that was with Brown during the robbery immediately left Brown, and then this friend came into the scenario after the fact.

It just seems to me that it would be obvious by talking to those at the store, and others like this friend, whether this was Brown or not. I don't think it was and the police are trying to justify the actions of the officer.

 

[Tripon]

Okay, so what do you do in that two second window? Don't answer that by the way, because you've already thought about it for more than two seconds.

I'm not explaining anything?
I'm just trying to make sense of why a cop would resort to deadly force like that. All I can think of is a split second decision to get the robbery suspect to stop running away.

Then tell me why Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown 10 times in total if he needed to use deadly force? The split second is the first shot. Everything after that is a conscious decision to use a weapon on somebody.

 

[marrec]

You put down your damn donut and CHASE them. It's not a hard thing to do.

I mean, you have an entire fucking police force that'll help you track down a heavyset, 6'4" black guy. You call it in and leisurely give chase knowing all the while that he's not going to go far because 1) he's a heavyset 6'4" dude and 2) he's local.

I'm not trying to play monday morning murderer but shit you don't shoot him unless he's got a gun and he's a threat.

 

[JoeFu]

Lol the whole police force in that town is incompetent. Fire them all please.

 

[LiK]

officers are trained, and also required to not use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect.

Shooting people on the back for fleeing is not police procedure, anywhere, ever.

Yep, every episode of COPS would be pretty short if that happened.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

You don't have to be Frank Serpico to be asking these kinds of questions.

Right now we have the police offering the justification that

- the victim was a suspect in an local robbery, with alleged evidence that he's the person in the video
- the allegation that Brown accosted the officer, causing him to be shot the first time

On the other hand, we allegedly have
- store clerk who could not ID the person in the video as Michael Brown, nor was there a robbery reported
- the key witness (and alleged accomplice) who retained a lawyer, was not questioned by police, and is now being questioned by the FBI
- the key witness offering a version of events that paints Brown as the innocent party and the officer as the aggressor

In both versions of this story, multiple shots are fired after the victim has retreated and/or surrendered.

Yeah, I'm not seeing how this cop isn't going to jail.

Where even is Johnson? Does anyone know?

According to his USA Today interview, he moved out of his home and interviewed with the FBI Wednesday as he feared for his safety due to police retaliation.

 

[CesspoolofHatred]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion)

I'm aware that sagging is a fashion.

What I'm asking is, why are they down so much HERE, in the pictures and video of his dead body, as opposed to when he was supposedly robbing a store?

 

[BronsonLee]

Okay, so what do you do in that two second window? Don't answer that by the way, because you've already thought about it for more than two seconds.

I'm not explaining anything?
I'm just trying to make sense of why a cop would resort to deadly force like that. All I can think of is a split second decision to get the robbery suspect to stop running away.

...NOT APPLY LETHAL FORCE TO SOMEONE RUNNING AWAY FROM ME

It's called giving chase. The cop resorted to deadly force because he's improperly trained/an idiot/racist/whatever. There is zero cause to use the amount of force he did.

For what, having a conflicting view point than yours? I've not posted anything wrong, the only thing I'm doing is taking a different perspective.

If you really think all you're doing is playing Devil's Advocate (which is a rather pathetic way of saying 'I'm going to be a dick'), I don't know what to tell you

 

[vas_a_morir]

It's a calculated attempt to discredit Brown and Johnson to sway the public into thinking that Brown truly was the aggressor and the cop's intentions were pristine.

The problem with that is it still doesn't change the fact the cop unloaded a clip into an unarmed person running away...at that point the person is no longer a threat, and it's not shoot to kill.

It's clear why: it really helps the officer's defense. If they can convince the public that it is Mike Brown in that vid, it points to a history of violent behavior. So, when the police officer claims he assaulted him, his past pattern of behavior helps make this claim more believable. Furthermore, if the friend, who is considered the main eyewitness, is shown to be involved in criminal activity, it makes his testimony seem less credible. Pretty obvious move by the police. Time will tell if it's bullshit or not, and I still think it is unacceptable for the cop to have shot him. However, if he is a suspect in a violent crime who then assaults an officer and then flees? Complicates things. Hands in the air, though? You'd think police protocol is to NOT execute the guy without a trial. Guy still fucked up in my book, and maybe the law will see it that way, too.

No I mean he helped rob the store supposedly. So why wasn't he taken in later?

What does the bolded even mean?

IT means if I robbed a store and got away, I personally wouldn't want people going "why isn't Vas being arrested" because I wouldn't want to get arrested.

 

[ced]

You misunderstood my point.

If Brown wasn't a black guy he wouldn't have been shot. We've seen, even this week, other black dudes killed because they 'match a description' of someone who may or may not have committed a crime.

We'll never know if Brown ACTUALLY committed a crime because he's dead now and I don't think the police are going to bring a dead guy to trial for robbery.

I know I was about to edit my post.

I also wasn't aware that the police officers report includes him firing again outside of a struggle, if that's is actually true or even the report.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun, then I don't know wtf happens. Crazy story all around.

You are to pursue the suspect*, detain, and find out why he resisted arrest (could be that he was scared, may have had a warrant for something, may just be paranoid for any reason), shooting is the last thing a cop should do when the suspect is threatening lives.

Apparently one of the bullets had to be retrieved out of a house so the cop could have killed another person shooting at this guy.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'm aware that sagging is a fashion.

What I'm asking is, why are they down so much HERE, in the pictures and video of his dead body, as opposed to when he was supposedly robbing a store?

I'd assume the pants were in the process of falling down when he was running and he didn't take care to hold them up or tug them up as people who sag pants all the time have to do when casually walking around. Getting shot in the back probably has a way of making you forget shit like that.

 

[turtle553]

You don't have to be Frank Serpico to be asking these kinds of questions.

Right now we have the police offering the justification that

- the victim was a suspect in an local robbery, with alleged evidence that he's the person in the video
- the allegation that Brown accosted the officer, causing him to be shot the first time

On the other hand, we allegedly have
- store clerk who could not ID the person in the video as Michael Brown, nor was there a robbery reported
- the key witness (and alleged accomplice) who retained a lawyer, was not questioned by police, and is now being questioned by the FBI
- the key witness offering a version of events that paints Brown as the innocent party and the officer as the aggressor

In both versions of this story, multiple shots are fired after the victim has retreated and/or surrendered.

Yeah, I'm not seeing how this cop isn't going to jail.

Not at the QT, but the video seems to be a different store. The police report from a few pages ago does not identify the location.

 

[Malyse]

Hey guys, lets get the real character assassination going

Whoa whoa whoa. Stop the train and read this. If this doesn't tell you what the FPD is capable of...

 

[Cloudy]

Never heard the term "strongarm" robbery before. Scary way to say shoplifting

 

[EdibleKnife]

You don't have to be Frank Serpico to be asking these kinds of questions.

Right now we have the police offering the justification that

- the victim was a suspect in an local robbery, with alleged evidence that he's the person in the video
- the allegation that Brown accosted the officer, causing him to be shot the first time

On the other hand, we allegedly have
- store clerk who could not ID the person in the video as Michael Brown, nor was there a robbery reported
- the key witness (and alleged accomplice) who retained a lawyer, was not questioned by police, and is now being questioned by the FBI
- the key witness offering a version of events that paints Brown as the innocent party and the officer as the aggressor

In both versions of this story, multiple shots are fired after the victim has retreated and/or surrendered.

Yeah, I'm not seeing how this cop isn't going to jail.

It's kind of insane that the witness was offering his testimony the first day and only now are we hearing anything about this supposed robbery

 

[KHarvey16]

The notion that this was completely self defense and that he was shot in a struggle wherein Brown was reaching for his gun only makes any sense at all to me if it's ultimately determined that he was fatally wounded via one shot. If we assume that multiple shots fired is a given, I don't understand the "reaching for the gun" claim. Even if there was such a struggle, as soon as Brown is shot once, clearly, Officer Wilson is control of the gun. Was Brown still reaching for the gun on each of the subsequent shots?

As far as I understand it the officer's version of the story can only be true if he shot once in the car during the struggle. I think it's fortunate that it should be easy to falsify if it didn't happen. If he was shot outside the vehicle or he fired more than once his story can't be true.

Was the robbery mentioned as the pretext for the officer approaching them in the first place?

 

[codhand]

semi graphic pic, with excellent caption / point attached
http://i.imgur.com/wMI811J.png

 

[Omegasquash]

It's kind of insane that the witness was offering his testimony the first day and only now are we hearing anything about this supposed robbery

Well you have to protect a fellow officer of the "law"! What's fraternity without brotherhood, right?

 

[BronsonLee]

Never heard the term "strongarm" robbery before. Scary way to say shoplifting

Eh, I've heard it before. It basically means physical altercation, no weapons.

It's kind of insane that the witness was offering his testimony the first day and only now are we hearing anything about this supposed robbery

The fact that the witness gave his testimony to the FBI and not Ferguson should give you an indicator of how this is going to go.

That DA is getting it from all sides. This is a career defining decision.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

http://i.imgur.com/wMI811J.png

Still say there's a noticeable difference in weight between the guy in the video stills and Brown.

 

[More_Badass]

semi graphic pic
http://i.imgur.com/wMI811J.png

People need to be asking these questions and we need answers. This whole thing just feels off

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Never heard the term "strongarm" robbery before. Scary way to say shoplifting

Damn, youngin..where you been?

 

[HerbertFish]

semi graphic pic, with excellent caption / point attached
http://i.imgur.com/wMI811J.png

Clothing looks similar. Build looks roughly the same. I'd say it's the same guy if I had to guess. Can't tell on the shoes.

 

[BFIB]

semi graphic pic, with excellent caption / point attached
http://i.imgur.com/wMI811J.png

Again, the hat is in photos released. I can't find a direct link, it just goes to the gallery:

http://www.ksdk.com/media/cinematic/gallery/13835707/police-shooting-at-canfield-green-apartments/

 

[Dabanton]

Well the police are playing extremely high stakes poker here if that turns out to not be him...

 

[Revolutionary]

officers are trained, and also required to not use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect.

Shooting people on the back for fleeing is not police procedure, anywhere, ever.

So it was just a really bad call by the officer in question, I guess.
Unless he actually tried to go for the officer's gun, right? Would that have warranted lethal force?

You are to pursue the suspect*, detain, and find out why he resisted arrest (could be that he was scared, may have had a warrant for something, may just be paranoid for any reason), shooting is the last thing a cop should do when the suspect is threatening lives.

Apparently one of the bullets had to be retrieved out of a house so the cop could have killed another person shooting at this guy.

Wow.