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So we have:

1) Brown may have committed a crime.

2) Brown was shot like, 10 times after an altercation with a police officer.

3) Police didn't call in an ambulance and let his body sit in the street for waay longer than it should have.

4) Police use disproportionate force in response to protests.

5) Police show up to next series of protests dressed like they're going to take down Valamir Putin.

I mean... sure Brown may have robbed some smokes, but fuck the police in Ferguson.

.....and that's where some people say, "That's all I need to hear. Everything justified!"

 

[QuicheFontaine]

You need to get some sun.

No! The sun is our enemy

 

[PhoenixDark]

Well that's that. I knew a not guilty charge was likely but you might as well guarantee it now.

 

[Askani]

How do we not have a photo of this cop yet? Did I miss that too?

 

[Kurdel]

That was the name the police chief froze up on.

Yup.

edit: I would love a Gif of that moment, such a rare thing to have witnessed live in a press conference.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I agree, it changes the narrative significantly from the implied racial profiling that we had initially. Then it became 'yea, there might have been a robbery but what's the connection with Brown?", before it became "Brown matched the description" to where it is now; it was Brown who robbed the store. It gives the police officer a legitimate reason to stop Brown and what happened during that? Initially it was described as an execution. With the recent news, I don't know how anyone can subscribe to a narrative with any certainty

This is why the officer didn't file the report after the shooting and why no public statement was made. The department was waiting for any possible loophole.

 

[BronsonLee]

yeah, i was being ironic. Alluding to the brutal tactics we know to be already allowed for police to use in order to more or less oppress the public.

Haha, yeah I figured. What a mess.

That was the name the police chief froze up on.

That chief is still doublefucked. If he played poker, by the end of the night he'd be naked

So we have:

1) Brown may have committed a crime.

2) Brown was shot like, 10 times after an altercation with a police officer.

3) Police didn't call in an ambulance and let his body sit in the street for waay longer than it should have.

4) Police use disproportionate force in response to protests.

5) Police show up to next series of protests dressed like they're going to take down Valamir Putin.

I mean... sure Brown may have robbed some smokes, but fuck the police in Ferguson.

That's another note; witnesses don't remember seeing any such ambulance that they're talking about?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Why wasn't this mentioned as soon as the shooting occurred

 

[BFIB]

It doesn't matter whether Brown robbed the store or whether he roughed up the clerk or not and it doesn't matter whether Brown reached for the gun.

If he raised his hands and surrendered, that should have been the end of it. He should have been arrested and processed, not shot like a fucking animal in the streets.

All this innuendo and "reports" on rumours and what-ifs are calculated attempts at obfuscating the real issues. They obscure what we should focusing on by distracting us with shit that shouldn't matter like jiggling car keys in front of a baby.

The fact the police have waited this long to disclose these "revelations" is telling.

Exactly. These need to be treated as separate. Brown very well may have shoplifted from the store. That is what it is. But the shooting of an unarmed man who was attempting to surrender needs to stay the focal point. What led up to that part does not matter once the cop killed someone who is unarmed.

 

[Higgins113]

It doesn't matter whether Brown robbed the store or whether he roughed up the clerk or not and it doesn't matter whether Brown reached for the gun.

Surely that does matter?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Police arrival is 11:54

Timestap on the video is 11:53:51

Clocks aren't always/never are the same. I mean, unless they are all atomic clocks.

Shit, none of the clocks in my prison, let alone my house have the same time.

 

[Tripon]

Police arrival is 11:54

Timestap on the video is 11:53:51

Unless the arrest report was written after the fact to justify events....

I'm not putting a police department willing to justify murder to doctor up a false police report.

 

[Cloudy]

I find it rather disturbing how quickly the narrative has shifted. Even if he did commit robbery/shoplifting, that in no way justifies shooting him. I find the fact that the robbery is only now getting major attention to be suspicious too.

Many people thought he deserved to die for even mouthing off to a cop. This is just more justification

 

[elrechazado]

What? No it doesn't.

fel·on
ˈfelən
noun
1. a person who has been convicted of a felony.

Mike Brown has no record. He's not a felon.

the term is being used by the posters and the analysts to mean felony suspect, obviously not convicted felon. C'mon now.

 

[everyday math]

Police arrival is 11:54

Timestap on the video is 11:53:51

Oops

Clocks aren't always right tho.

 

[Askani]

Shoplifting cigarettes frankly doesn't fucking matter one single bit.

Cigs, no. These were Swishers though, the Wine Coolers of the cigar world. That's a call to Judge Dredd apparently.

 

[alr1ght]

I find it rather disturbing how quickly the narrative has shifted. Even if he did commit robbery/shoplifting, that in no way justifies shooting him. I find the fact that the robbery is only now getting major attention to be suspicious too.

Well the report released was on the shoplifting incident. It's all a matter of narrative shifting. We'll have to wait on the shooting report.

 

[Verano]

You need to get some sun.

 

[elrechazado]

Surely that does matter?

It does but only to the extent that the shooting was concurrent with that. People are saying it doesn't matter due to the additional facts such as multiple shots fired, which pretty clearly indicates that the shots were not in reaction to a struggle for the weapon.

 

[BronsonLee]

Cigs, no. These were Swishers though, the Wine Coolers of the cigar world. That's a call to Judge Dredd apparently.

Can't execute a perp on 99%...

Or, you know, 0%

 

[Joel Was Right]

This is why the officer didn't file the report after the shooting and why no public statement was made. The department was waiting for any possible loophole.

The only way to know is if there is a record of any radio comm to the officer about the robbery. There are two possibilities

1. Brown's description was shared and that's why he was stopped
2. Officer didn't know about the robbery and this is just racial profiling that escalated to an execution. The robbery was just a coincidence.

 

[Sophia]

Many people thought he deserved to die for even mouthing off to a cop. This is just more justification

If he did indeed surrender peacefully/wasn't armed, then I don't think there's any justification for shooting him.

Everything about this just reeks of being off however. Both with the sudden focus on the robbery and the police claiming there was an ambulance. I hope the FBI gets closer to the truth on the situation.

 

[Crocodile]

Have they still not released the autopsy?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Shoplifting cigarettes frankly doesn't fucking matter one single bit.

It apparently does matter to lot more people than it should. Brown might have stolen some cigs so now the fatal excessive use of force and bouts of martial law in response to protesters is being conveniently swept under the rug.

 

[captmcblack]

Cops will kill you whether you shoplifted the cigarettes, or if you were selling them without a license. Why does that matter here?

 

[marrec]

That's about how I look as soon as I get any sun. I smoke up like a sneak on the grill.

Went to florida last week and almost died from sunburn. I'm the whitest fucker of all.

 

[elrechazado]

Cops will kill you whether you shoplifted the cigarettes, or if you were selling them without a license. Why does that matter here?

Tobacco = death penalty obviously.

 

[BronsonLee]

Cops will kill you whether you shoplifted the cigarettes, or if you were selling them without a license. Why does that matter here?

Cigarettes are bad, gentlemen!

 

[alstein]

Unless the arrest report was written after the fact to justify events....

I'm not putting a police department willing to justify murder to doctor up a false police report.

I have to say this. Ferguson PD has zero credibility here.

Also- if he was shot while surrendering while unarmed, that's still manslaughter at least.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

Edit: this is how I see the defense playing this:Officer responding to a call on a robbery involving force. Sees a subject matching he description and pulls alongside. Subject pushes the cop back into the car and i the process reaches for he cops gun which discharges. Subject begins fleeing and is shot. You have a suspicion of physical violence against the shopkeeper and a cop assaulted for merely trying to get out of his vehicle. You had the discharge of the weapon, defense will likely say by brown. Not sure if you can prove who actually fired the gun. Edit: this is the first in vehicle discharge.

To me everything will depend on the distances and trajectories of the shots as well as the tox report particularly now that he primary witness was at least at the robbery and appears to have made conflicting statements to the press regarding his interactions with the decedant. Tox report if he was on pcp or something like that. I can see the cop walking if everything happened very fast and in Close proximity,, but if it was 30 feet away, in the back, hands up I think the officer has some problems.even then, if you have a guy who is running away after attempting to kill a police officer, you might find a sympathetic juror and get a lesser charge.

The robbery accusation was one of the first things I can recall hearing about this, I recalled it being candy however. The delay was clearly timed to coincide with the name, but it was going to come out anyway.

I could see the state ag prosecuting this case, frankly though I'm unsure of the power dynamics there. The locals including he county have demonstrated a lack of actually wanting to seek justice, whatever that may be, in this case and do not appear to be objective, IMHO of course.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

The only way to know is if there is a record of any radio comm to the officer about the robbery. There are two possibilities

1. Brown's description was shared and that's why he was stopped
2. Officer didn't know about the robbery and this is just racial profiling that escalated to an execution. The robbery was just a coincidence.

And that's why police didn't issue any statements about the shooting right off. Any possible spin or narrative shift they could put on the story would be better for them than admitting to what happened exactly right after the shooting.

Even this thread is all about whether Brown was guilty of something. Another dead person on trial.

 

[Frog-fu]

Exactly. These need to be treated as separate. Brown very well may have shoplifted from the store. That is what it is. But the shooting of an unarmed man who was attempting to surrender needs to stay the focal point. What led up to that part does not matter once the cop killed someone who is unarmed.

I find it so infuriating that media gets away with this all the fucking time. It's some of the most disgusting forms of victim blaming.

THIS BLACK MAN WAS MISIDENTIFIED AND SHOT FATALLY - MAY HAVE SMOKED MARIJUANA IN HIGH SCHOOL

Like what the actual fuck?

Surely that does matter?

No, it doesn't, not if he raised his hands and surrendered once the officer was in control.

And the fact we waste time is discussing this shit is exactly what they want. They want us to butt heads over every last little detail until the original point of it all is lost.

A young man was shot, at least 5-6 times.

He was unarmed.

He surrendered.

That is murder.

We can argue about his attitude, the clothes he was wearing, the stupid shit he did in life (like none of us have ever done stupid shit), but the facts - the facts that really matter - do not change.

 

[Gorillaz]

That might be it then

God, it a going to be nauseating hearing all the media that wasn't on board all this time now jump in the fray to spin the shit out of this

 

[InfiniteBento]

Have they still not released the autopsy?

Not yet.

 

[Cloudy]

Have they still not released the autopsy?

Nope cos it obviously looks bad for the cop. Let the "criminal" angle marinate on cable news for a bit first

 

[milquetoast]

Didn't know the witness was present at the robbery too I feel stupid now.

 

[InfiniteBento]

EDIT: Apparently false. My b.

 

[BronsonLee]

Didn't know the witness was present at the robbery too I feel stupid now.

What are you going on about again?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Officer responding to a call on a robbery involving force. Sees a subject matching he description and pulls alongside. Subject pushes the cop back into the car and i the process reaches for he cops gun which discharges. Subject begins fleeing and is shot. You have a suspicion of physical violence against the shopkeeper and a cop assaulted for merely trying to get out of his vehicle. You had the discharge of the weapon, defense will likely say by brown. Not sure if you can prove who actually fired the gun.

Might want to edit your post to clarify this is your personal speculation. Right now, it almost sounds like something TheChocolateWar would have posted.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Officer responding to a call on a robbery involving force. Sees a subject matching he description and pulls alongside. Subject pushes the cop back into the car and i the process reaches for he cops gun which discharges. Subject begins fleeing and is shot. You have a suspicion of physical violence against the shopkeeper and a cop assaulted for merely trying to get out of his vehicle. You had the discharge of the weapon, defense will likely say by brown. Not sure if you can prove who actually fired the gun.

To me everything will depend on the distances and trajectories of the shots as well as the tox report particularly now that he primary witness was at least at the robbery and appears to have made conflicting statements to the press regarding his interactions with the decedant. Tox report if he was on pcp or something like that. I can see the cop walking if everything happened very fast and in Close proximity,, but if it was 30 feet away, in the back, hands up I think the officer has some problems.even then, if you have a guy who is running away after attempting to kill a police officer, you might find a sympathetic juror and get a lesser charge.

The robbery accusation was one of the first things I can recall hearing about this, I recalled it being candy however. The delay was clearly timed to coincide with the name, but it was going to come out anyway.

I could see the state ag prosecuting this case, frankly though I'm unsure of the power dynamics there. The locals including he county have demonstrated a lack of actually wanting to seek justice, whatever that may be, in this case and do not appear to be objective, IMHO of course.

He shot himself??

 

[Kurdel]

Was there an APB out for someone matching his description?

Just catching up, is the robbery linked to his murder?

 

[thepotatoman]

I hope this becomes a meme. Putting "and he deserved to die" by every victim blaming headline just works so well at showing how disgusting this demonization is.

 

[Gorillaz]

What are you going on about again?

Alot of new people jumping into the thread at this news. Wonder where they were before.

 

[Van Owen]

I find it rather disturbing how quickly the narrative has shifted. Even if he did commit robbery/shoplifting, that in no way justifies shooting him. I find the fact that the robbery is only now getting major attention to be suspicious too.

The robbery does change the narrative though and bring things into question.

It's not as simple as this "gentle giant" being gun downed for jaywalking or whatever the original story was.

 

[Trey]

You're under the delusion that it's simply vocal racist minorities that have our society the way it is...

Great post, Angelus.

 

[KHarvey16]

Here's the breakdown as I see it:

First of all, again, any conclusion to the issue of this shooting takes nothing away from the importance and justification for the outrage regarding the police response to the protests and anger. That is a problem and will be a story no matter what.

I can only see the robbery being offered as the pretext for the officer approaching the two young men in the first place. Even if their intent were different, it really cannot be an attempt for the police to justify the shooting on its own. That doesn't follow legally at all and I find it highly unlikely that is their motivation. Their intentions will be easily judged after the details of the investigation are known, of course. If it's clear the officer acted improperly it becomes clear the department was being disingenuous.

The shooting can only be justified if it happened during an altercation. The victim reaching for the officer's gun and then running away would not justify shooting him in the back. Running away after having assaulted the officer would also not justify shooting him in the back.

Fortunately it seems like the two stories as they are, combined with the facts we all understand, does not lend itself to interpretations supporting both sides simultaneously. The eyewitness's story and the officer's story should be easily falsified with easy to confirm facts. If any shots were fired outside the vehicle, as far as I understand it the officer's story cannot be true. If only one shot was fired the eyewitnesses claims cannot be true.

 

[FiggyCal]

This shows the cop's priorities: protect your own and fuck everyone else. That's all their good for. So instead of bringing the murderer to justice, they decide to find an unrelated offense that the victim was part of. And unfortunately, that's all people need to hear.

"He stole a black n mild, maybe the police officer was right to kill him."

 

[vas_a_morir]

Is it true that the officer had to be treated at a hospital for injuries following the incident? Or is that a lie?

Maury, where are you?

 

[samus i am]

Michael Brown might have stole cigarettes an hour earlier, so now it's ok for him to be executed?

That line of reasoning really exposes how little society values the life of young black men.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Alot of new people jumping into the thread at this news. Wonder where they were before.

rushing in like the crazy 88 from kill bill.

Michael Brown might have stole cigarettes an hour earlier, so now it's ok for him to be executed?

That line of reasoning really exposes how little society values the life of young black men.

Cops are given the benefit of the doubt in the most egregious cases. Black guy makes an "aggressive step" and can get maced for it.