CharminUltra
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A coworker of mine keeps "liking" and sharing these old articles about "heroic cops" from a hardcore conservative FB page. These people are so transparent.
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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I believe the friend's lawyer stated they took cigars.
There's a difference between a differing opinion and BULLSHIT we've all heard before and are tired of hearing
Johnson's attorney confirmed that Brown did steal a pack of cigars...so we're pretty sure it's him. Info is back a few pages.
milquetoast
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Remember, police also have the ID from the shopkeeper who would have more images of Michael brown to look at than just the ones from this video footage.
BFIB
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In the video, the person clearly takes a box of those sweet cigars, whatever they are called.
Hari Seldon
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Has the coroner's report been released? That is the one piece of hard evidence I want to see.
Omegasquash
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I've seen a few stories like that pop up on my feed. It sort of makes my stomach hurt.
Because a guy in a white T-shirt is so uncommon. Not like people wear those all the time, oh wait.
So glad I deactivated my account months ago. Utter garbage on there.
Chezzymann
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So what's going on now?
Yeah, I heard that on MSNBC, but doesn't change the crappiness of the camera.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Woman on CNN saying she believes police photoshopped the pictures.
red hat? shorts? shoes? ....
Corronchilejano
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Still doesn't justify the gang style execution.
Gordon Shumway
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Asked both the governor and highway chief about race relation issues, if governor feels embarrassed for the tear gas/rubber bullets and the fact that people were honestly just protesting peacefully and the show of force was disproportionate. The odd way they put out this information. Why the officers name took so long/robbery suspect so quick..
NYCmetsfan
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I think the video is him and there was a confrontation but that really doesn't answer what happened during the shooting or if the officer knew about that incident when he stopped him. Because the story was he started the confrontation with "get off the sidewalk" not anything like to "were you just at ____ store" or "do you have cigarettes"
even then there are questions about if brown was a threat that justified forced
then you have to explain the shots when he was on the ground with his hands up.
I can't see how the officer can explain all of that, unless every eyewitness is wrong.
even then there are questions about if brown was a threat that justified forced
then you have to explain the shots when he was on the ground with his hands up.
I can't see how the officer can explain all of that, unless every eyewitness is wrong.
i'm sure the FBI and anti corruption police is involved.. you're not going to be able to coax this thing..
Squirrel Killer
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Yeah, those two white short sleeved shirts are completely different.
You're damned either way. There are people on both sides trying to make it fit into their preconceived opinion--the people who want to argue the victim in question deserved to die due to criminal activity, versus people who cry "conspiracy" and "hoax" because these details leak and they think they're fabricating details to feed the previously mentioned group.
samus i am
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The scramble to justify murdering an unarmed 18 year old black male.
Genuine question here, is it normal procedure to wait for toxicology reports before revealing other relevant findings of an autopsy? I can't tell if the police are stalling because they don't wanna talk about the number and placement of bullet wounds or if this is normal and they have to wait until they have all the info.
Gordon Shumway
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You forgot the people that don't think that one should get shot eight times for stealing cigars..hi.
Vicetrailia
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Well hopefully everyone will start to understand the country they live in, of which now they don't. Not just for race dynamics but for MANY things.
T-minus 41 minutes until Hannity calls him a thug.
If this new information is true and he robbed a store and attacked an elderly person, I think it does makes the police's story more plausible. It puts his friends testimony under question and gives him more of a motive to attack the cop. The decisive evidence should be the autopsy, ie how many times was he shot, was he shot in the back, from how far away ect.
hell of a thing to watch.
KingKiller
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Unarmed robbery is not a capital crime. Shoving an officer and trying for his gun(almost definitely a lie) is not a capital crime, fleeing is not a capital crime. It is never okay for a trained, seasoned law enforcement officer to shoot at anyone that is unarmed.
If he had been a fat white kid, this never would have happened.
And I only say robbery because that's what the media is saying, shoplifting cigarettes is something that in almost any other setting the police would have ignored as not worth their time.
If he had been a fat white kid, this never would have happened.
And I only say robbery because that's what the media is saying, shoplifting cigarettes is something that in almost any other setting the police would have ignored as not worth their time.
NYCmetsfan
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"first up tonight: new information calls into question the story of Michael Brown as a victim. was he a criminal?!"
'here's all all-american panel to discuss this issue'
everyday math
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Like the post above you.
BFIB
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What kind of leap in logic does it take to get from:
"Pushed store clerk" to "assaulted an officer"?
Gordon Shumway
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gutter_trash
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they should arrest all large black males who wear St-Louis Cardinals baseball hats
We should picket those fuckers too while we're at it.
Air Zombie Meat
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And lets not forget that he was just a suspect at the time. But unfortunately theres a section of the public that think that when someone breaks a law they forfeit their right to live. Especially if they're black.
Omegasquash
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Don't agree. Robbing a store and assaulting a police officer can and, I don't think I'm making a leap here, are often exclusive of one another.
Gordon Shumway
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Make a thread, man..you been pretty good throughout this whole thing. Don't make this the thing we all remember you for..
How does this deny the friend's testimony, specially because the friend verified that he stole the cigs? What about the testimony of the second witness? And remember that the police declined on listening to the friend's testimony.
BFIB
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Eh, just trying to lighten the mood a little.
ReignofSparrows
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Instead of writing some lengthy legal post, I will just cut through to what I think the crux of the case will be: Did Brown throw his hands up and stop fleeing? The witnesses thus far have all said so.
Brown's suspected involvement in the robbery and physical resistance would be relevant to the shot fired in the vehicle and would further be relevant to his perceived danger while fleeing (although I don't know what the case law would indicate since that kind of subjective component gets muddy fast). Thus, if Brown were shot while fleeing, there is at least a possibility that the officer would be cleared.
However, if Brown stopped and put his hands up as the witnesses have indicated, the above is immediately rendered moot. At that point Brown would no longer be fleeing, so the danger he did or did not pose won't matter in the slightest. To drive the point home, the law is clear that even in the case of a convicted serial killer, use of deadly force against an unequivocally surrendering suspect would violate the suspect's Fourth Amendment rights.
Having said all that, I did a cursory search and found that just last year there was a St. Louis case where a black man was shot 21 times and killed despite witness testimony that he had surrendered. I won't go into why it's distinguishable, but here is the link if anyone is interested in reading.
Brown's suspected involvement in the robbery and physical resistance would be relevant to the shot fired in the vehicle and would further be relevant to his perceived danger while fleeing (although I don't know what the case law would indicate since that kind of subjective component gets muddy fast). Thus, if Brown were shot while fleeing, there is at least a possibility that the officer would be cleared.
However, if Brown stopped and put his hands up as the witnesses have indicated, the above is immediately rendered moot. At that point Brown would no longer be fleeing, so the danger he did or did not pose won't matter in the slightest. To drive the point home, the law is clear that even in the case of a convicted serial killer, use of deadly force against an unequivocally surrendering suspect would violate the suspect's Fourth Amendment rights.
Having said all that, I did a cursory search and found that just last year there was a St. Louis case where a black man was shot 21 times and killed despite witness testimony that he had surrendered. I won't go into why it's distinguishable, but here is the link if anyone is interested in reading.
Squirrel Killer
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Wait, seriously? This is confirmed by a representative of Brown and Johnson? So all this back and forth over "well, anyone could be a tall black male with a white shirt, red hat, shorts, and sandals" has been for naught?
That is so annoying because it's just a distraction from the main point, namely: YOU DON'T SHOOT PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU! Even if they are a suspect.
Corronchilejano
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You are technically correct... if we ignore all the witnesses and only believe the assailants' version.
Also, the autopsy is done by the police themselves, who had the body for many days before the FBI (I assume) are able to take a look at it.
Thank you, dude.
NYCmetsfan
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so the lawyer for the eyewitness did say he took cigarillos according to MSNBC
Spiderjericho
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Obviously, all of the facts have yet to emerge. But a pack of cigarette (or several) is not adequate justification or merit that a child's life was lost.
They are waiting and hoping that the tox. reports say Brown smoked weed so they can use that to cast more doubt while revealing something else important. Sort of like the name of the officer w/ the robbery announcement.
Also the police releasing information like this shows the incredible bias. The protection of the officer should be the job of his union lawyer, not the police force as a hole. How can any normal citizen trust them if they will always show internal favor?
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