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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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I mean, I'm definitely not trying to argue that the cop did nothing wrong. Like I said earlier, at the very least he fucked up horribly. I'm just not ready to call him a monster yet. For all I know he killed Brown because he was genuinely afraid, couldn't see clearly because of his head injury, and is now near-suicidal with guilt. Or maybe he did pull up to the kids, yelled racial epithets at them, hit himself on the head getting out of his car, and knowingly gunned the kid down in cold blood. I don't know which it is, and nor does anyone else.

And yeah, if you hate someone, I think you should always be skeptical of whether that hatred is justified. Pretty much without exception. I can absolutely forgive and understand people not being able to hold themselves to that standard 100% of the time, but we should still accept that it's valuable for some people to be able to remain emotionally detached enough to hold off on judgement.

I know that you want to be impartial and the like, but it's unnecessary. You've admitted that he fucked up horribly at the very least. There's no need for any more than that. That it happens so often suggests that there's something wrong in this country. He is, like it or not, part of the problem. Full stop.
 
Luckily, NPR isn't falling for the usual narrative and reporting that "Ferguson police have released a video that allegedly shows Brown robbing a convenience store, they say the officer who shot Brown wasn't aware he was a suspect."

I think that's the best we can hope for in this situation.
 
The one thing I've been trying to understand -- and I know nothing about police protocol -- is would lying about responding to a robbery be easily proven false via dispatch records? Because the way information is being disseminated, it seems like we're trying to establish elements of Brown's character via releasing that robbery video. And since the robbery did occur, it seems like the obvious thing -- at least something that would be easily believed -- is that the officer approached Brown because he matched the description of a robbery suspect. Would the incident report falsifying the knowledge of the robbery (i.e. "Yeah! That's what I was doing there! I was approaching a fleeing robbery suspect who proceeded to resist arrest!") just completely fall apart as soon as police dispatch records were examined?
 
1. It's entirely possible that MO courts have so interpreted the statute to include use of force after the taking of the property to elevate larceny to robbery, but that is not traditionally how most jurisdictions interpret the force requirement in robbery statutes. I'm not a MO attorney and haven't looked at case law, so this is based upon my familiarity with Alabama law, which is similar to Missouri's.

2. Here's my discussion on this from earlier:

Thanks for the clarification. I know I saw someone post a link that indicated this would constitute a robbery under Missouri law. I have no real access to any database at the moment, but a cursory search came up with this snippet from Missouri case law.

Hughes was charged with second-degree robbery in violation of § 569.030.1, which states that “[a] person commits the crime of robbery in the second degree when he forcibly steals property.”   The phrase, “forcibly steals,” is further defined by § 569.010(1), which states, in pertinent part, as follows:

“Forcibly steals”, a person “forcibly steals”, and thereby commits robbery, when, in the course of stealing, as defined in section 570.030, RSMo, he uses or threatens the immediate use of physical force upon another person for the purpose of:

(a) Preventing or overcoming resistance to the taking of the property or to the retention thereof immediately after the taking․

Stealing occurs when a person “appropriates property or services of another with the purpose to deprive him or her thereof, either without his or her consent or by means of deceit or coercion.” § 570.030.1 RSMo Cum.Supp. (2003).  Thus, “[t]he crime of second degree robbery is composed of two elements:  stealing and the use of actual or threatened force.”  Maclin v. State, 184 S.W.3d 103, 109 (Mo.App.2006);  § 569.030;  § 569.010(1).

EDIT: Linking the definitions relevant to the robbery statutes in case anyone cares.
 
Luckily, NPR isn't falling for the usual narrative and reporting that "Ferguson police have released a video that allegedly shows Brown robbing a convenience store, they say the officer who shot Brown wasn't aware he was a suspect."

I think that's the best we can hope for in this situation.

I just did a check ... most media sources are mentioning the robbery news & the fact that it had nothing to do with anything. I think the media may have felt attacked in general, the way the police were attacking them, and hopefully that is an additional driving force for getting to the bottom of this. They fucked up completely arresting/teargassing media.
 

If this takes hold beyond the general tech sites and such...

I just did a check ... most media sources are mentioning the robbery news & the fact that it had nothing to do with anything. I think the media may have felt attacked in general, the way the police were attacking them, and hopefully that is an additional driving force for getting to the bottom of this. They fucked up completely arresting/teargassing media.

This is my thought process as well. The second they tear gassed Al Jazeera USA, they pissed off the media. Which means they're not on your side, and they want you to fail.
 
The one thing I've been trying to understand -- and I know nothing about police protocol -- is would lying about responding to a robbery be easily proven false via dispatch records? Because the way information is being disseminated, it seems like we're trying to establish elements of Brown's character via releasing that robbery video. And since the robbery did occur, it seems like the obvious thing -- at least something that would be easily believed -- is that the officer approached Brown because he matched the description of a robbery suspect. Would the incident report falsifying the knowledge of the robbery (i.e. "Yeah! That's what I was doing there! I was approaching a fleeing robbery suspect who proceeded to resist arrest!") just completely fall apart as soon as police dispatch records were examined?

Yes and No. If there was a 911 call or an alarm triggered, then it would be recorded when a dispatcher notified police. If an officer happened to be flagged down or witness it, it won't appear until the Officer notifies dispatch. Responding to a call isn't recorded unless officer decides to notify dispatcher. A dispatcher may assign officers to respond, but other units are not prohibited from assisting.

Some officers have forgotten to notify dispatch and it has led to their death. Sometimes they fail to notify dispatch and all you hear in the radio is a struggle or footchase with dispatcher trying to reach the officer. Sometimes dispatch calls all available units in the last known location of the officer.
 
watched the sweating police chief thing... dude froze up when they asked him about "darren wilson" (I think). I wonder if that will be the name when it's finally revealed.
Hahahaha i fucking knew it!!

As one of the victims stated in Ferguson, politicians want the black vote but don't want to help them when they need it.
It's more like D politicians "expect" the black vote and often get it despite doing very little to fuck all for them.

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Thanks for posting in here, I always look forward to it

Don't worry, once the toxicology report can determine if a single molecule of THC was present in Brown's blood we can finally get to the stage where the media speculates on whether he entered an African Mojo Drug Rage
This got me good. I'm gonna have to remember "African Mojo Drug Rage"
 
Can't believe this is news worthy. There are worse things right now in the world like ISIS invation, Gaza/Israel battle and Ukraine having Russian military vehicles entering its country.
 
Can't believe this is news worthy. There are worse things right now in the world like ISIS invation, Gaza/Israel battle and Ukraine having Russian military vehicles entering its country.

Quoting this so you can't delete your stupidity

Also it's possible to care about more than one thing at a time :P
 
Can't believe this is news worthy. There are worse things right now in the world like ISIS invation, Gaza/Israel battle and Ukraine having Russian military vehicles entering its country.

Yes murdering a young man and terrorizing an entire neighborhood for days until they fucked up by arresting media isn't news worthy
 
Thanks for the clarification. I know I saw someone post a link that indicated this would constitute a robbery under Missouri law. I have no real access to any database at the moment, but a cursory search came up with this snippet from Missouri case law.



EDIT: Linking the definitions relevant to the robbery statutes in case anyone cares.
You are correct. A quick look on Westlaw even provides a case which is seemingly squarely on point with what happened here:
Sufficient evidence of physical force existed to support defendant's conviction for robbery, second degree where there was evidence that, while stealing boxes of cigarettes from supermarket, defendant pushed store manager out of his way and knocked him against the door. State v. Applewhite (App. E.D. 1989) 771 S.W.2d 865.
I'm not too big to admit when I've been wrong. Though I hate doing it. :p
 
Can't believe this is news worthy. There are worse things right now in the world like ISIS invation, Gaza/Israel battle and Ukraine having Russian military vehicles entering its country.

Are you crazy? What's more important than our own civil rights? Why should we be getting involved in world policies when we can't even take care of our own?

Look around you sometimes. This has been a problem for decades, it's only recently getting the attention it deserves.
 
You are correct. A quick look on Westlaw even provides a case which is seemingly squarely on point with what happened here:

I'm not too big to admit when I've been wrong. Though I hate doing it. :p

You're not wrong. You never said 'this is a fact.' I was just curious, and I am also trying to converse with the rest of legal-GAF : P

I come in peace.
 
You are correct. A quick look on Westlaw even provides a case which is seemingly squarely on point with what happened here:

I'm not too big to admit when I've been wrong. Though I hate doing it. :p

Is the case still good law?

If so, that sucks for Brown because that's almost right on point, unless in the above-mentioned case the taking of the property and pushing the manager were essentially instantaneous as opposed to the slight delay seen in this situation.
 
Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a really bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now is wrong when there are bigger events developing in the world. There will be a full investigation on the shooting and justice will be handed out.
 
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