vas_a_morir
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Yep. Really starting to take a hostile tone against progressive thinking.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Yep. Really starting to take a hostile tone against progressive thinking.
Jacksinthe
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"White Opinions Bingo"
Sure. That's not a blanket statement. No. That totally implies a small fraction of the white populace that are brain-dead and does not, in any way, reference an entire race. Nope.
How did I ever miss that? Maybe I need glasses.
yup, not making it any better
CountAntonius
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Yeah. I understand both sides of the argument. On one side it is wrong and inflammatory on the other side this is probably not the thread to derail with it.
We get it and should probably just move on so it doesn't get worse.
Seriously. That's like only soul food restaurants where I live.
BFIB
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Guys, I said my opinion on the bingo card because I thought this thread was also about tackling blanket racism and working towards the right path. Yeah, the card did offend me personally because I certainly don't feel that way, and I thought this thread was ok in opinions and trying to broaden the discussions on the problems at hand with this whole unfortunate situation from all sides.
I think I just need to take a break from this thread for a while.
I think I just need to take a break from this thread for a while.
Beats me, maybe to be more organized about it?
Shamrock7r
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The bingo card is stupid in its generalization and somewhat offensive, and it's surprising to see the hypocrisy in this very thread as it relates to generalizations.
The FPD going against the DOJ by releasing the video will probably be beneficial in the long run. It has already started to backfire on the major news outlets from what I've watched this morning. Really the only people that are going to look at that video as justification were already people who had their mind made up and nothing was going to change it.
The FPD going against the DOJ by releasing the video will probably be beneficial in the long run. It has already started to backfire on the major news outlets from what I've watched this morning. Really the only people that are going to look at that video as justification were already people who had their mind made up and nothing was going to change it.
timetokill
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sadly it'll just be easier for me to not spend any money that day.
just have to remember not to go to any "convenient stores"
NEOPARADIGM
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At which point your family members are holding a "white opinion" according to the sheet, and it reeks of things like "talking white" and "acting white" as inherent negatives.
Like I said, call them "idiotic opinions" if that's what is meant. You call them "white opinions" you're basically saying "white = idiotic." That's what people are pointing out.
And it's hardly a derail; the meta-discussion is race relations.
Come on now, you honestly think that picture "calling people out on their race"?
#NotAllWhitePeople (much like #NotAllMen or #NotAllCops) is a shit defense because it is usually pretty damn clear we're not talking about literally all white people. shit, it's a joke picture, you really think he's saying every single white person say all of those things all the time? stop looking for reasons to get offended. But more importantly, such arguments always aim to reduce a serious broad issue in society down to the individual level where you can fight them with anecdotes and downplay their seriousness.
That bingo board is a humorous but rather astute reflection of the way mainstream (read:white) America react to such events.
That's not actually a thing.
Velcro Fly
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I'm in the Chicago market and I watched the news and every newscast they showed the video from the store before mentioning the cops name. Before the 4pm news which is the main evening news for ABC7Chicago they had one of those cut in commercials and they showed the video then. I knew the media would latch onto this but it's unreal how quickly, quietly, and efficiently this happens. If you aren't paying attention and aren't aware of how the media does these things you would easily miss it.
gutter_trash
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as a white guy, I'm not offended by the White Bingo card. So many asshats on TV and Facebook makes me facepalm and confirm that Bingo Card to be true.
I doubt people would've cared if some of the early responses to it here weren't essentially "lol so true"
Angelus Errare
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FFS, someone just make a quick photoshop that says "Racist Opinions". Gawd. Fuck this derail bullshit. Seriously, quit bitching about something so fucking insignificant in a thread about fucking civil injustice and some actual 1960s fucketry.
Byakuya769
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Nope. And proofread, shit.
BronsonLee
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What the fuck are you all doing.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Tom Fuentes on CNN had a very good statement. Says that emotion should not overtake calm and that we should all let justice prevail and not jump to any conclusions.
timetokill
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I like how "Mike Brown" is pretty much the only thing not in all-caps
LOL. So , "Guys, do we really need to resort to this in this instead of making it an us vs them thing?"
"LOLOLOZ #notallmen!!!"
This is the level of discourse? K, got it.
Alligatorjandro
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I don't see what's wrong with this. People say this stuff all the time.Already posted?
vas_a_morir
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Oddly enough, while people have used the teachings and speeches of Malcolm X to justify looting, I feel this kind of action is far more like something he would approve than looting black-owned businesses.
While I think this is inflammatory and racially discriminatory, I also think that we should try to support locally-owned business from people within the community as much as possible over these large corporations. This is something I feel I should be doing anyway, but not on the basis of race. Rather, on the basis of supporting your community. Not patronizing a store because the owner is Pakistani, for example, feels really dirty to me.
Sorry, but it's offensive that anyone would even imply that there are problems inherent in white mainstream culture. I would rather misinterpret the card as a personally attack on ME and prefer it be renamed to something that obfuscates the point it's trying to make and that makes me feel completely at ease. It needs to remove all mentions of race (because it's not about race, you could be black, white, green, aqua and still say these things) and should be called the ASSHOLES bingo card.
Shamrock7r
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It creates uneeded tension in the thread, and I guarantee prevents some posters from wanting to contribute to the discussion for fear of being attacked based on the mentality of the thread. I think that warrants it being called out for what it could easily be interpreted as, which is an offensive generalization of white people.
I think the concern, though, is how far anybody can trust that justice will prevail. Especially when so often it does not in these cases.
Problem being that justice seems to be one thing for some people and another thing for others. If the establishment meting out the justice is corrupt or bigoted then all you have to wait for is another kick in the teeth.
Already been discussed here, but seeing it in an image helps me understand just how fucked up that anybody can remotely entertain Darren Wilson's and the Ferguson PD's version of events.
https://twitter.com/LipstickYoda/status/500703143131639808
https://twitter.com/LipstickYoda/status/500703143131639808
vas_a_morir
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I'm afraid it might make some white people who genuinely feel for the family of Mike Brown on a human level and want justice for what appears to be a murder feel like their support is not welcomed.
Honestly, the problem I see is akin to comments that are 'stereotypical compliments.' Like "Jews are all good with money and successful." Why is this wrong? It's because it leads to heightened levels of resentment. Too much misplaced blanket resentment leads to situations like the other night when that white man who came to SUPPORT Mike Brown was brutally beaten for being white, allegedly being told 'it's a black thing,'
Seemingly harmless concepts like 'white privilege,' which is the premise that white people are unable to empathize with the plight of minorities because of the color of their skin and presumed cushy middle-class sheltered background, lead to stuff like this. It's not the same progressive, liberal thinking like I've come to expect form NeoGAF. Arguably moderation is to blame.
And the initial response to this is 'oh boo hoo people have it worse' Believe me, I know. But, this is a free discussion forum. We shouldn't' be dismissing people because of who they are, and we should aspire to higher levels of intelligent and progressive discourse.
There needs to be a "*More visceral reaction from a joke bingo picture than actual racism*" square.Already posted?
Excellent post.
this poster promotes police brutality as just a black issue only instead of a minority issue. black peeps arent the only minority that gets treated like shit...so nope.
The response has not been "boo hoo people have it worse." And what you described is not the premise of white privilege. If that's what you think it means, then I can see why a silly bingo card bothers you so much.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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When has "justice" ever prevailed though? Black folks have been told for YEARS to rise above it, forgive, blah blah blah, and the shit continues. I don't blame anyone for acting out. I just hope they understand that your life is forfeit when they already won't hesitate to kill you when you are doing nothing.
Is there really anything to be gained by promoting the "it's us VS. Them" message?
You get to feel better for being the part of "us"
Fun.
Just saying.
There's a double standard occurring when you're presuming to tell white people how they should or shouldn't feel.
BumblebeeCody
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True. I've been reading the thread for days and only decided to comment now.
Well.....
Big Baybee
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Ugh this thread
Shamrock7r
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For some posters, it has, if not directly then heavily implied. The negative feelings towards the card have nothing to do with it being a bingo card, but the generalization, the implications, and the idea that it's not ok for a white person to be offended by it, ironically, in a very serious thread about race relations and the dangers of generalization.
I guarantee you a white person made that entry in the bingo card meme.
Eh, it's only sensitivos who are making it a VS thing. People are frustrated, stop making it about you.
As a white guy, I'm pretty sick and tried of white people getting all prissy about getting called out.
Vermillion
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1) White privilege is the premise that people with white skin are more privileged for being white.
2) No one believes that all white people think the same, which incidentally rolls back to the premise of white privilege. Many black people know what it's like for people to judge their entire race based on the mistakes of a few (and it will more often be mistakes). Skip work and it's not "Mike is lazy," it's "black people are lazy." Take money and it's not "Tyler is a thief," it's "black people are criminals." It constantly happens, and many of us are cognizant of that in our daily lives.
White people, on the other hand are judged as individuals. A Tumblr bingo card doesn't approach the level of trying to change that, and that won't change. Obviously there are individuals that will judge all white people for the actions of the few, but the fact of the matter is white people hold the advantage here, by far. We've already seen the media conflate the rioters with peaceful protesters as we've read this thread. White people will (most likely) never be judged in this manner. It's non-issue, and I can't see how you guys believe that you're being lumped in just because you're white. By and large, you never have been, and today really isn't any different.
3) This is a huge tangent.
Foxy Fox 39
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1. The card is generalizing with the statement "White Opinions". That sentence means that if you're white, you should have said opinion. Kind of counter-productive.
2. Black people in here are being dismissive of white people's feelings because a) Black people have heard those things countless times (They are very common white opinions, but not opinions that all white people have) and because we have faced such tragic and ubiquitous racial injustice -- I assume some feel like white people getting upset about this card is like a person complaining about a splinter to a guy with 10 stab wounds.
As a black man I do not like that the card says "White Opinions". I do not like how dismissive people are of those who are against the card. This isn't a pissing contest though. It's not fair to people supporting us during this time to be dismissive of their feelings.
Can we all agree that the card can be seen as inflammatory and move on?
2. Black people in here are being dismissive of white people's feelings because a) Black people have heard those things countless times (They are very common white opinions, but not opinions that all white people have) and because we have faced such tragic and ubiquitous racial injustice -- I assume some feel like white people getting upset about this card is like a person complaining about a splinter to a guy with 10 stab wounds.
As a black man I do not like that the card says "White Opinions". I do not like how dismissive people are of those who are against the card. This isn't a pissing contest though. It's not fair to people supporting us during this time to be dismissive of their feelings.
Can we all agree that the card can be seen as inflammatory and move on?
vas_a_morir
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It seemingly has, but I could very well be misreading some posts.
And while I do understand white privilege as a concept extends well past just discussions, like the ability to do things like walking home at night and not get suspected of burglary or shop without being followed through a store, I am talking about White Privilege as it pertains to discourse and academia.
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