I see racial agitators capitalizing on a tragedy when they are not in full possession of the facts.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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I see racial agitators capitalizing on a tragedy when they are not in full possession of the facts.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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By racial baggage, do mean actual incidences of racism?
Spring-Loaded
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No one has to bring the racial baggage in; it's already there in every one of these incidents. You can't divorce a a given situation from history, no matter how uncomfortable that history makes you.
heliosRAzi
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The racial baggage is inherent to the discussion. These types of shootings tend to happen more with minorities than with whites even though whites commit the most crimes. It is systemic.
ReignofSparrows
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Do you think that officers who use excessive force in part because of a victim's skin color scream "this is happening because you are black, let me be clear that this would not happen if you were white?" I don't know what kind of evidence you are looking for.
heliosRAzi
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The scalding kii is that anyone who has dealt with genuine discrimination would not be bothered by that stupid card. The girls who are bothered are really exposing an overwhelming, cushioned level of privilege. There's nothing wrong about being privileged, but take a fucking hint. "White people" and their permutation of jokes are meaningless when they don't have reality - an unavoidable and pervasive system of discrimination and abuse - backing them up.
Dios mio, por favor.
Dios mio, por favor.
Do you actually know what happened between these two men on the street? Were you there? I'm frankly uninterested in drawing some kind of systemic inference here. I'm interested in this event in isolation.
Spring-Loaded
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Then you have no concept of reality, or how reality works
The title of the card is inappropriate, but the contents of the squares are spot on — you can see them posted on this very page, completely straight-faced. It's tunnel vision to lose sight of that.Shit i thought i posted a harmless picture that made fun of ridiculous statements pertaining to this entire thing, and I come back and it apparently hurted and derailed the discussion. I'm sorry
The Lamonster
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Edit: Foxy is right; shit is dumb.
Foxy Fox 39
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I'm also going to refrain from posting about that card from this point on. It is a derail. Let's continue with the thread subject.
Love you. Not because you ease my guilt or whatever bullshit, but because you encourage logical consistency.
CountAntonius
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Well said, girl! You get a gold popgaf star.
Why would we want to see the event isolated? That makes zero sense.
So hold up and back up a second.
For ages, and especially since the economic downturn where the wealth gap skyrocketed you have large swathes of the population feeling that the system is stacked against them. In particular this has happened in black communities. Further with the militarized police people not only feel that the system is stacked against them but actively fighting against them. This feeling of disenfranchisement has been growing and growing and growing. Several people have been warning that this was at some point going to blow up, even several of the very wealthy have been warning against this. And now you have a young black man murdered in the street. I don't think there's going to be a "fact" that justifies this shooting. No hostages, running away, 35 feet away. Come now. And you're suddenly suprised this is going on? And calling it a "racial agitators"? WTF? Like I said, you haven't been paying attention.
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Spring-Loaded
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Every day, the world is reborn anew
I drove into the side of someone's house yesterday, but that has no bearing on today
I drove into the side of someone's house yesterday, but that has no bearing on today
How about the reality of this wonderful kid stealing and bullying a store owner 10 minutes before he had a run-in with a cop with a clean record. Does this factor into your reality? Or does this cop just go around using excessive force on blacks for no good reason ?
More_Badass
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So any new developments today?
timetokill
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glad to see there is peaceful protesting so far today. as always nightfall is the issue, though.
croc on croc racism
You're right he definitely deserved to get killed.
In my reality people don't get executed for bullying.
My father was a croc! I'm offended!croc on croc racism
ReignofSparrows
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It actually doesn't factor into the case if the officer was unaware of the robbery. Bummer for you.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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So... you're saying he deserved to be killed?
CountAntonius
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Did you get that tag before or after your posts in here?
A cop with a clean record who resorts to shooting a perp seven times for j walking.
Punchy4486
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Im a college educated white guy who used to steal batteries cuz "fuck it, I'm not paying for batteries". I guess I deserve to be shot multiple times after surrendering to a police officer too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6R1DMb-Z8
Angelus Errare
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'Racial baggage' is pretty damn paramount to this entire event; you're looking at fucking decades of racial inequality, discrimination, mistreatment and injustice coming to a boiling point.
NEOPARADIGM
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I heard a guy on the radio today say he deserved to be killed because the video showed what a "thug" he was. You can't make this shit up.
The latter. Cops use excessive force on minorities all the time. This is why we have these threads. This is not an isolated incident and it's insincere to discuss it as a standalone occurrence. Are you a troll?
No I am saying we don't know what happened in that car and we have video evidence of this kid being a punk 10 minutes before he was stopped. What if he thought this cop pulled him over because the store owner reported the robbery? Doesn't matter that the cop doesn't know. This kid knew and maybe he bugged the fuck out
Spring-Loaded
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Don't forget the reality of the police chief explicitly stating the officer had no clue about the strong-arm robbery at the time of the shooting.
Everything you're saying has been said before. Every point you're attempting to make has been made before, and shot down. I wouldn't order anyone to read through this entire thread, but it's worth a look, lest you go down the same path as others have.
There's already been stories on how Darren Wilson has a history of intimidation and excessive force coming out. If you or anyone else really wishes to have Michael Brown's history be on trial, the same thing is going to happen with Wilson's history.
http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-fuck-u-1622383830
CountAntonius
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Some people are just looking for anything to validate the opinion they had the second they found out he was killed.
Punchy4486
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What about the four independent eyewitnesses who say he was shot in the back while running away, turned around with his hands in the air, shot again multiple times until he was dead?
Or are those details irrelevant?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6R1DMb-Z8
ReignofSparrows
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The more you talk, the more you demonstrate your ignorance about the case.
Angelus Errare
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Stealing cigarillos does not justify being shot after surrendering 6 times. It's the fucking definition of excessive force. Stop trying to justify it because you just sound dumb as hell dude. He was running away (thus no longer a fucking threat) shot twice in the back. He turns around gets on his knees with his hands in the air (the universal sign of surrender) to which according to 4 eye witnesses, the cop walks up to the guy and shoots him 4 more times.
Still doesn't justify his execution but please...go on.
I read the thread I don't find any of the counter arguments convincing. No one has convinced me that this boy was shot because of his skin color.
Spring-Loaded
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Who said that? Why is this what you need to have proven to you?
The problem is that this kid was — accoridng to four separate testimonies — unarmed, and executed after attempting to surrender.
Random Painted HIghway
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The initial contact occurred as Brown/Johnson were walking in the street on a bright Saturday afternoon. The cops I know (and I know quite a few) would bleep their sirens and wave the guys out of the road and then move on with their day. This cop chose another path. Why? We don't know if something was said towards the cop or not, but there was no reason to actively engage these two at that time. they are just two dudes in the street to that cop.
It justifies the police brutality
arresting journalists.
training sniper rifles on protesters.
beating journalists...
tear gassing journalists...
etc..etc.. All of this was clearly just a one off by this otherwise peaceful police department. Yep yep yep.
Lets ignore they beat a negro half to death and charged him with property damage due to his blood getting on their uniforms.
Lets ignore all of this, because if you do a crime all of this is excused because of the initial crime.
/Jury verdict.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Still doesn't justify the excessive use of force so the video is incredibly irrelevant to the end result. All it has managed to do was give people justification to write Brown off as a thug that deserved what happened to him. There's a reason why the DoJ considers the department's decision to release the video inflammatory.
You just trollin' at this point.
CrimsonCommie
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Peoples opinions have been belittled here because of race? I haven't seen this happen and it hasn't happened to any of my posts
I've only seen this happen with ignorant opinions.
I'm white
Foxy Fox 39
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Keep it up.
Spring-Loaded
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It's impossible to tell these days. The stories themselves and their frequency make them sound like Onion headlines.
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