Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Peoples opinions have been belittled here because of race? I haven't seen this happen and it hasn't happened to any if my posts
I'm white
I've only seen this happen with ignorant opinions.

Same here, but it is a bit idiotic to be so glib about dismissive generalizations when they are the very root of the systemic injustices we are dealing with in this country. Makes little sense to me, but I'm not personally offended or anything.
 
Wesley Lowery said there were several Darren Wilson's on the force in the St Louis area. Are you certain this is the one?

Seems to be.

Four days ago John Wilson turned to Facebook for support without mentioning his son by name.

“Dear FB friends, Our family is in need for prayers to be sent up for a family member,” John Wilson wrote. “Circumstances do not allow for us to say anything further. Please pray with our family in mind. Put a covering of protection over our family member please.”

A woman who replied in the comment thread told John that she could put him in touch with someone that “has been through many difficult times with his children. Prayers are what brought the family through the rough times. We are just a phone call away.”

John Wilson thanked his many friends who were quick to offer encouragement.

“Please continue to do so as we deal with a family situation that is very challenging,” he wrote.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-fergus...police-award-earlier-this-year-021255893.html
 
How about the reality of this wonderful kid stealing and bullying a store owner 10 minutes before he had a run-in with a cop with a clean record.

The clean record bit is not a salient point. Virtually nothing is ever going to hit a police officers file until the department decides they want him gone and are building a case against him. Even then, the department would likely allow a resignation without a notation hitting the file. That way the dept avoids a law suit/unemployment and the cop is hirable by another dept.

Source: I've seen this happen personally.
 
There's already been stories on how Darren Wilson has a history of intimidation and excessive force coming out. If you or anyone else really wishes to have Michael Brown's history be on trial, the same thing is going to happen with Wilson's history.



http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-fuck-u-1622383830

Funny thing is I saw this on my facebook feed with a bunch of responses that can be summed up as "typical liberal shit, character assassination smh" then talked about Mike Brown stealing and how he's not so innocent.

I chuckled.
 
Funny thing is I saw this on my facebook feed with a bunch of responses that can be summed up as "typical liberal shit, character assassination smh" then talked about Mike Brown stealing and how he's not so innocent.

I chuckled.

So goddamn predictable, man. I can set my watch to when those comments start flying.
 
its amazing how one video (that robbery) can turn my opinion around on certain things.

A friend argued with me the other day "like you never stole anything from 7-11"

Of course I did, and when I got caught, I did not act like the way Ser Gregor Clegane did in that video.

I can now picture that kid/man/mountain walking down the street and -not- moving at all, his aggressive behavior, I can even imagine him reaching for a cops gun.

Did he deserve to die? No, did he deserve to be chased down the block and hunted, no of course not....but the cop couldn't baton him/pistol whip him/ mace him/ tase him (with like 4 tasers, cause dude was huge)??

Wrong on both sides.
 
Funny thing is I saw this on my facebook feed with a bunch of responses that can be summed up as "typical liberal shit, character assassination smh" then talked about Mike Brown stealing and how he's not so innocent.

I chuckled.

Yeah, that's why I wish we (on GAF) and everyone else would just focus on the event itself. You don't need to understand the histories of Brown and Wilson to know that Wilson gunned down Brown.
 
its amazing how one video (that robbery) can turn my opinion around on certain things.

A friend argued with me the other day "like you never stole anything from 7-11"

Of course I did, and when I got caught, I did not act like the way Ser Gregor Clegane did in that video.

I can now picture that kid/man/mountain walking down the street and -not- moving at all, his aggressive behavior, I can even imagine him reaching for a cops gun.

Did he deserve to die? No, did he deserve to be chased down the block and hunted, no of course not....but the cop couldn't baton him/pistol whip him/ mace him/ tase him (with like 4 tasers, cause dude was huge)

Wrong on both sides.
He was shot. Then he was shot again. Then he was shot 4 or 5 more times.

This kid may have been aggressive, but he wasn't homicidal.
 
its amazing how one video (that robbery) can turn my opinion around on certain things.

A friend argued with me the other day "like you never stole anything from 7-11"

Of course I did, and when I got caught, I did not act like the way Ser Gregor Clegane did in that video.

I can now picture that kid/man/mountain walking down the street and -not- moving at all, his aggressive behavior, I can even imagine him reaching for a cops gun.

Did he deserve to die? No, did he deserve to be chased down the block and hunted, no of course not....but the cop couldn't baton him/pistol whip him/ mace him/ tase him (with like 4 tasers, cause dude was huge)??

Wrong on both sides.

I really can't tell if this is all sarcasm or not; the sir Gregor Clegane makes me think it is, but everything else makes me think you're dead serious.
 
its amazing how one video (that robbery) can turn my opinion around on certain things.

A friend argued with me the other day "like you never stole anything from 7-11"

Of course I did, and when I got caught, I did not act like the way Ser Gregor Clegane did in that video.

I can now picture that kid/man/mountain walking down the street and -not- moving at all, his aggressive behavior, I can even imagine him reaching for a cops gun.

Did he deserve to die? No, did he deserve to be chased down the block and hunted, no of course not....but the cop couldn't baton him/pistol whip him/ mace him/ tase him (with like 4 tasers, cause dude was huge)??

Wrong on both sides.
The thing is, even if we take the worst-case scenario as being accurate, the way the final barrage of shots played out is not remotely ok under any imaginable circumstances.
 
its amazing how one video (that robbery) can turn my opinion around on certain things.

A friend argued with me the other day "like you never stole anything from 7-11"

Of course I did, and when I got caught, I did not act like the way Ser Gregor Clegane did in that video.

I can now picture that kid/man/mountain walking down the street and -not- moving at all, his aggressive behavior, I can even imagine him reaching for a cops gun.

Did he deserve to die? No, did he deserve to be chased down the block and hunted, no of course not....but the cop couldn't baton him/pistol whip him/ mace him/ tase him (with like 4 tasers, cause dude was huge)??

Wrong on both sides.
That's like me saying at work, "Guys, I screwed up and brought our servers down. The CEO is going to have to wait for his reports for another day."

And another guy saying "Guys, I screwed up and crashed the entire american stock market for a week. But that ronito, he screwed up too. Wrong on both sides."
 
pfft.. sometimes they are way off...

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its amazing how one video (that robbery) can turn my opinion around on certain things.

A friend argued with me the other day "like you never stole anything from 7-11"

Of course I did, and when I got caught, I did not act like the way Ser Gregor Clegane did in that video.

I can now picture that kid/man/mountain walking down the street and -not- moving at all, his aggressive behavior, I can even imagine him reaching for a cops gun.

Did he deserve to die? No, did he deserve to be chased down the block and hunted, no of course not....but the cop couldn't baton him/pistol whip him/ mace him/ tase him (with like 4 tasers, cause dude was huge)??

Wrong on both sides.

Meh. He was executed in cold blood.
 
I'm curious: what would convince you that he was shot because of his skin color?

You couldn't, unless he was on audio saying as such.

Still, I get the sense if it was a white man he would still be alive. It's not a stretch to believe Darren Wilson assigned Mike Brown a greater threat of danger in his mind due to his skin color. In fact, I'm certain that's exactly what occurred.
 
Ugh...so my dad's reading Fox now, he's like "It's just more rioting and looting", so I mention how I'd watched the live stream, and it was mostly nonviolent and the protestors were doing their best to stop the looters

"Why are you defending them?"

So I just left it there. Not worth it.

This is your warning to not discuss stuff like this with him.

I went on Facebook and one of my friends (who is white) was like why is everyone making this about race. This happens all of the time, blah, blah, blah.

And who can forget the racist ground swell following Trayvon Martin. SMH.

That's not a friend. Or they shouldn't be.

Already posted?

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You could literally make a bingo card of reactions to the bingo card. But hey, #NotAllWhites

Here's the thing. If this doesn't apply to you, you shouldn't be bothered by it. If you are, then there's a damn good chance you're feeling guilty. I remember in one of my psych classes where we covered how people are most bothered by the things they are guilty of. For example, liars hate being lied too. Thieves hate having their stuff stolen. And well, racists...
 
He was shot. Then he was shot again. Then he was shot 4 or 5 more times.

This kid may have been aggressive, but he wasn't homicidal.

I know, that's why I said he didn't deserve to be hunted down..


When I say 'wrong on both sides'

Kid was obviously aggressive, did he start with this cop (who obviously has control/mental/rage/racism possibly flowing through his viens)

If this kid was walking down the street, not moving, holding up traffic, like I see allllll the time out by me. I don't know, maybe I hung out in the hood too much when I was younger, but what I seen in that video, I seen in some of my friends time and time in the past, they're not smart (maybe school educated smart) but when it comes to authority...not the brightest


btw I know this means nothing and was not on the forums at the time during Trayvon, but I thought Zimmerman provoked, and started that whole thing, usually I'm all for the victim in these situations, and yes this guy was hunted down and executed basically, but was he perfectly innocent, well we don't know that. (still doesn't excuse what happened)
 
its amazing how one video (that robbery) can turn my opinion around on certain things.

A friend argued with me the other day "like you never stole anything from 7-11"

Of course I did, and when I got caught, I did not act like the way Ser Gregor Clegane did in that video.

I can now picture that kid/man/mountain walking down the street and -not- moving at all, his aggressive behavior, I can even imagine him reaching for a cops gun.

Did he deserve to die? No, did he deserve to be chased down the block and hunted, no of course not....but the cop couldn't baton him/pistol whip him/ mace him/ tase him (with like 4 tasers, cause dude was huge)??

Wrong on both sides.

When you got caught you also didn't get executed on the street. Unless you happen to be posting beyond the grave, in which case, I'm sorry for your loss.
 
You could literally make a bingo card of reactions to the bingo card. But hey, #NotAllWhites

Here's the thing. If this doesn't apply to you, you shouldn't be bothered by it. If you are, then there's a damn good chance you're feeling guilty. I remember in one of my psych classes where we covered how people are most bothered by the things they are guilty of. For example, liars hate being lied too. Thieves hate having their stuff stolen. And well, racists...

By this logic you can reason that black people that get angry at being called thugs are probably secretly thugs and if they're not then they shouldn't get offended. But yeah, lolz #notall<insertwhateverthoughtstoppinglabelyouneedhere>

We moved beyond this.
 
You could literally make a bingo card of reactions to the bingo card. But hey, #NotAllWhites

Here's the thing. If this doesn't apply to you, you shouldn't be bothered by it. If you are, then there's a damn good chance you're feeling guilty. I remember in one of my psych classes where we covered how people are most bothered by the things they are guilty of. For example, liars hate being lied too. Thieves hate having their stuff stolen. And well, racists...

I disagree. It may be things said by white people but it's not things only white people say. And hash tagging that is dismissive, just as dismissive if someone were to say #NotAllBlacks are thugs, looters, murderers. Let's move on.

Edit: heh, Ronito used my exact line of reasoning.
 
I know, that's why I said he didn't deserve to be hunted down..


When I say 'wrong on both sides'

Kid was obviously aggressive, did he start with this cop (who obviously has control/mental/rage/racism possibly flowing through his viens)

If this kid was walking down the street, not moving, holding up traffic, like I see allllll the time out by me. I don't know, maybe I hung out in the hood too much when I was younger, but what I seen in that video, I seen in some of my friends time and time in the past, they're not smart (maybe school educated smart) but when it comes to authority...not the brightest


btw I know this means nothing and was not on the forums at the time during Trayvon, but I thought Zimmerman provoked, and started that whole thing, usually I'm all for the victim in these situations, and yes this guy was hunted down and executed basically, but was he perfectly innocent, well we don't know that. (still doesn't excuse what happened)

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Look unless I missed something on a recent page, no one here is really defending Mike Brown the human being. Brown was most likely the black Biff Tannen, but that's not the real issue though. The real issue is what happened between Mike Brown, and the cop. And if what we're hearing is true, then that cop in trouble.
 
btw I know this means nothing

Then, again, I ask: why even mention it?

Even the chief of police admitted the robbery doesn't actually have anything to do with the shooting, and even if you think Brown would try to assault a fucking police officer out of fear of getting in trouble (which makes so little sense, but I digress)... none of that changes the fact Wilson got out of his car and shot a surrendering, unarmed Brown to death.
 
Look unless I missed something on a recent page, no one here is really defending Mike Brown the human being. Brown was most likely the black Biff Tannen, but that's not the real issue though. The real issue is what happened between Mike Brown, and the cop. And if what we're hearing is true, then that cop in trouble.

lol, trying not to laugh

(Saw this used in The Internship the other day too)
 
Then, again, I ask: why even mention it?

Even the chief of police admitted the robbery doesn't actually have anything to do with the shooting, and even if you think Brown would try to assault a fucking police officer out of fear of getting in trouble (which makes so little sense, but I digress)... none of that changes the fact Wilson got out of his car and shot a surrendering, unarmed Brown to death.

It makes less sense than Trayvon Martin "jumping from the bushes" to attack Zimmerman, and he was totally on Trayvon's side!!!111

*rolls eyes*
 
You couldn't, unless he was on audio saying as such.

Still, I get the sense if it was a white man he would still be alive. It's not a stretch to believe Darren Wilson assigned Mike Brown a greater threat of danger in his mind due to his skin color. In fact, I'm certain that's exactly what occurred.

If you had a signed confession from Wilson saying he shot Brown explicitly because he was black, he would still be skeptical.

Remember, you can't use evidence of systemic racism that comes from centuries past. Good luck
You pretty much need a signed confession to convince him. I think he went into this thread with very unrealistic expectations, and I think he knew that. I could be wrong though, and I hope I am. :/
 
Then, again, I ask: why even mention it?

Even the chief of police admitted the robbery doesn't actually have anything to do with the shooting, and even if you think Brown would try to assault a fucking police officer out of fear of getting in trouble (which makes so little sense, but I digress)... none of that changes the fact Wilson got out of his car and shot a surrendering, unarmed Brown to death.

And the DOJ told them not to do it as well for the same reasoning.
 
You could literally make a bingo card of reactions to the bingo card. But hey, #NotAllWhites

Here's the thing. If this doesn't apply to you, you shouldn't be bothered by it. If you are, then there's a damn good chance you're feeling guilty. I remember in one of my psych classes where we covered how people are most bothered by the things they are guilty of. For example, liars hate being lied too. Thieves hate having their stuff stolen. And well, racists...
Here's the thing, though: This does apply to me, or at least one field does. It bothers me. And I'm not feeling guilty at all - just annoyed. Because stupidity annoys me, and it stifles progress. No, I don't believe in race, and this isn't a religion and beliefs have no place outside of churches.

I think it's important to view things in a wider context and ask uneasy questions. Why is the police in the US so god damn trigger happy in the first place? Why are most victims black? I mean, most members of the NRA are white, so if the cops are afraid, which actually would be a valid reason to shoot first and ask questions later, shouldn't they be more afraid of white people? That is assuming most victims are, in fact, black - I honestly don't know. Are there actual statistics that prove black people are more likely to shoot cops? Are there statistics that prove black people are more likely to be dangerous criminals? Looking at inmates in US prisons, one might think that's the case, but to me, it just seems like black people are more likely to get long prison sentences. Which, again, begs the question: Why? To me, this seems like a chicken-and-egg problem. Black people are more likely to be judged harshly because the statistics make black people seem more dangerous because they're usually judged harshly or something. It's fucking bullshit, but it's something that needs to be explored in a rational and objective fashion.
 
Why are those people looting businesses and setting buildings on fire? I do agree the cop killing the kid should get punished in some way, but protesters doing those things isn't helping matters not to mention breaking the law.
 
Why are those people looting businesses and setting buildings on fire? I do agree the cop killing the kid should get punished in some way, but protesters doing those things isn't helping matters not to mention breaking the law.

The protesters aren't doing those things. It's a small subset of angry/frustrated people, mostly comprised of younger people who don't know any better. In fact, most protesters are trying to stop their efforts.
 
Here's the thing, though: This does apply to me, or at least one field does. It bothers me. And I'm not feeling guilty at all - just annoyed. Because stupidity annoys me, and it stifles progress. No, I don't believe in race, and this isn't a religion and beliefs have no place outside of churches.

I think it's important to view things in a wider context and ask uneasy questions. Why is the police in the US so god damn trigger happy in the first place? Why are most victims black? I mean, most members of the NRA are white, so if the cops are afraid, which actually would be a valid reason to shoot first and ask questions later, shouldn't they be more afraid of white people? That is assuming most victims are, in fact, black - I honestly don't know. Are there actual statistics that prove black people are more likely to shoot cops? Are there statistics that prove black people are more likely to be dangerous criminals? Looking at inmates in US prisons, one might think that's the case, but to me, it just seems like black people are more likely to get long prison sentences. Which, again, begs the question: Why? To me, this seems like a chicken-and-egg problem. Black people are more likely to be judged harshly because the statistics make black people seem more dangerous because they're usually judged harshly or something. It's fucking bullshit, but it's something that needs to be explored in a rational and objective fashion.

Very dangerous people from all cultures. However, a population 2/3rds fewer than the majority should not have the same amount of murders as the majority.
 
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