Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Bam Bam Baklava said:
What he's saying is not wrong. The media would draw more attention to this and be more critical if one of their own was shot and/or maimed. I'm saying wishing for that to happen to anyone is wrong. I don't care what justification you have for it. It's wrong to wish that upon another innocent human being.
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I would rather have that happen than for this to be forgotten about, just so it can possibly happen to me or a loved one next week.

JacksUsername said:
At least 29 journalists have died in international incidents this year. Gaza, Ukraine, Iraq, etc. Sure it's not in the US, but the point remains that the world didn't stop when they died; media coverage pretty much stayed where it was at with perhaps a small of spike for a day or two, and then most people moved onto the next story. Wishing violence to happen around or to members of the press is not a healthy outlook to have and will not somehow change the minds of the ignorant. It would achieve nothing but possibly more violence.
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Okay. Why are we suddenly equating events outside of the country to abundant police brutality here in the US?
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
What he's saying is not wrong. The media would draw more attention to this and be more critical if one of their own was shot and/or maimed. I'm saying wishing for that to happen to anyone is wrong. I don't care what justification you have for it. It's wrong to wish that upon another innocent human being.
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No one genuinely wants more violence to happen to anyone, but it's simply going to happen in some form. There will be more unjust murders by police in this country. If it's going to happen, let it be impossible for the world to ignore. In this instance, it's a fair assessment to make that reporters getting hit with tear gas and having their equipment dismantled, or being bum-rushed out of a McDonald's gets more attention than a single black local getting shot with a rubber bullet between the eyes.

Like, I don't condone someone saying "I wish this happens," but I can't also ignore the circumstances.
 
Spring-Loaded said:
Uh, a teenager getting executed and a week of BS-ing from law enforcement is plenty ugly. It's a "chicken or the egg" situation. You can admonish the looting, yet you can't without always acknowledging what brought it about.

Violence has been occurring, it is occurring and it will continue to occur. You've got one person who outwardly said they want media to be right there when it happens so it gets the coverage it deserves because, seemingly, it's not notably "ugly" when a kid gets shot for no good reason.
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Yes because clearly as indicated by my post I didn't consider the situation bad until some poster started fantasizing about innocents being shot by police.

Of course the situation is absolute shit, but some of the things being posted in this thread are just downright absurd.
 
If a journalist gets hit with something, then what? The story is just gonna focus on the police fucking with the constitution -again-, instead of it being about another african american getting gunned down with no recourse. Fuck that. The narrative already switched a bunch of times, due to the rampant fukkery of those in charge.

We acting like fox news is all of a sudden going to stop with the, "he was a thug" thread if someone takes a rubber bullet to the head? Like, the rest of the world doesn't already know how fucked up our media is? lol. Like, the president is gonna come out and talk about race relations and not about how we need to heal?

I don't see it changing shit. I know people aren't actively seeking for that to happen, but I can't rock with that train of thought.
 
Rembrandt said:
I would rather have that happen than for this to be forgotten about, just so it can possibly happen to me or a loved one next week.



Okay. Why are we suddenly equating events outside of the country to abundant police brutality here in the US?
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You'd rather a reporter be maimed than you? Well thats nice of you.
 
Konka said:
You'd rather a reporter be maimed than you? Well thats nice of you.
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I mean, is this a serious question? If we're discussing the possibilities of it happening plus the effects of it, then yeah. If I get maimed, it's just another nigger that was a possible drug dealer/gang member doing something he wasn't supposed to do. My family's pleas would go ignored. My killer wouldn't get sentenced. I would be victimized after death by people trying to find a way to justify my murder, etc. At least if it happened to a reporter, white people would see that it could happen to them, too and I absolutely guarantee they would talk about it more than they would if it happened to me. So yeah.
 
ZedIndyLil said:
From Antionio French's account, it was only the presence of the protesters that kept the troublemakers from getting more out of control. If that curfew is followed only by the protesters and not the troublemakers, then...
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Hopefully both show up. The police trying to stop a legitimate criticism is wrong.
 
"Wow! After a week of rubber bullets, tear gas, and treating the community like shit, the protestors stood up to out of town people coming to sew insurrection and riot!"

Nixon: "Enforce a curfew."
 
nemss said:
"Wow! After a week of rubber bullets, tear gas, and treating the community like shit, the protestors stood up to out of town people coming to sew insurrection and riot!"

Nixon: "Enforce a curfew."
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This is going to get a lot worse before it gets "better". Absolutely ridiculous that there's been more effort to make Brown look like a piece of shit rather than charge Darren Wilson.
 
Konka said:
You'd rather a reporter be maimed than you? Well thats nice of you.
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While I'm against anyone getting hurt. You have to be really dumb not to see his point. This entire incident at Ferguson was ignored by most people in America as "blacks gonna black" and "just another dead black guy" until reporters started getting tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets. That's when America at large took notice. And even then at that point the story became about these reporters being attacked by the police and America's Police state and much less so about this person who was executed unjustly. It wasn't about the injustice that blacks still face in 2014 the ridiculous inequality; but about these poor reporters' rights being fringed upon as they report the story. Thankfully more and more people made sure to drive home this about justice for Mike Brown and the fight for equality not Bob Boblo from Channel 4 news being gassed.
 
I think they would be better off road blocking some of the roads coming into the area. Could possibly turn back people from Illinois and other areas just coming to cause trouble.
 
Alligatorjandro said:
People can only take so much of being treated worse than animals.
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"Nah man, look how those looters are acting...and they wonder why we treat them like animals!"

Is pretty much the mindset of so many Americans. They believe in effect is the cause.

As I stated days ago, nothing will change it'll be 2064 and blacks will be protesting the same shit from 1964; and will be told "change is coming, there needs to be peace before justice!". They'll enact some weak ass law in honor of Mike Brown if we're lucky, pay out the family, release a statement on how sorry they are about the entire incident and how badly it was handled, the MIGHT put the cop on trial but I highly doubt such; people on facebook will claim victory for human rights *rolling eyes*...but our government will NOT address the underlying issue to all of this because they want to keep the status quo. You'll get a bunch of apologists saying that "it's complicated" and that it "takes time". Like how much fucking time does it really take exactly? How complicated is it to overhaul these racist as fuck post Jim Crow laws that continue to marginalize minorities? Why does this constant need time, while other "issues" get express passed to the front?

Same song and dance, different era.
 
Corruption from the top down. There is no justice. If there was they would conform to the truth, facts, and reason why things are happening as they are. One of the reasons I dislike the word justice is because no one conforms to these ideals of what justice is and instead use it as a form of pride or patriotism, that they are doing right without reason because they are in authority. It's all wrong.

They have a terrible governor and he needs to be ousted along with the local police who keeps starting shit.
 
devilhawk said:
I think they would be better off road blocking some of the roads coming into the area. Could possibly turn back people from Illinois and other areas just coming to cause trouble.
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And before you know, people will start yelling "open-air prison"!

They need to react better to the right groups of people. Arrest the looters, treat protesters like the law abiding citizens they are (unless there's a GOOD reason to escalate things).
 
Was the cop a solo or did he have a partner? Assuming solo. 200 thread pages and I never asked or saw the answer, probably because he was solo and everyone but me knows.
 
Angelus Errare said:
While I'm against anyone getting hurt. You have to be really dumb not to see his point. This entire incident at Ferguson was ignored by most people in America as "blacks gonna black" and "just another dead black guy" until reporters started getting tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets. That's when America at large took notice. And even then at that point the story became about these reporters being attacked by the police and America's Police state and much less so about this person who was executed unjustly thankfully more and more people made sure to drive home this about justice for Mike Brown not Bob Boblo from Channel 4 news being gassed.
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To be honest, I only started paying attention after those reporters got attacked simply because that was the moment made it seem like maybe this time we will see something change.

But in the end this still seems to be playing out like Occupy Wall Street thus far. Plenty of attention on the police response to the protests, but almost no attention to the reasons behind the protest itself.

Angelus Errare said:
"Nah man, look how those looters are acting...and they wonder why we treat them like animals!"

Is pretty much the mindset of so many Americans. They believe in effect is the cause.

As I stated days ago, nothing will change it'll be 2064 and blacks will be protesting the same shit from 1964; and will be told "change is coming, there needs to be peace before justice!".

Same song and dance, different era.
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By 2019, the population of non-hispanic white kids under the age of 18 will drop below 50% of the kid population. By 2042, the same will happen to the population at large. Non-hispanic whites would still have plurality, or whatever the demographic version of that word is, but not the majority.

I would expect some pretty radical change from that if nothing else.
 
El Odio said:
This is what it seems to be devolving into anywhere there's mention of this story in any way. People for whatever reason think that just because he robbed a store of cigarettes and then was gunned down for entirely different reasons he was a thug and deserved it, like any other story. It absolutely sickens me. These people are hypocrites and would be up in arms if that was their child. But no, they just want the news to stop reporting on this because they're sick of hearing it. Well guess what, they'll hear about a similar case in a few weeks again because THEY CONTINUE TO LET THOSE RESPONSIBLE GET AWAY.
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I'm old enough that I'm getting to see my college and high school friends on Facebook turn into complete hypocrites (I'm not sure this is really a sign of age, though). "You were a druggie in college. That guy was a belligerent drunk. You've at least always been a racist. That one shoplifted..."
 
thepotatoman said:
To be honest, I only started paying attention after those reporters got attacked simply because that was the moment made it seem like maybe this time we will see something change.

But in the end this still seems to be playing out like Occupy Wall Street thus far. Plenty of attention on the police response to the protests, but almost no attention to the reasons behind the protest itself.



By 2019, the population of non-hispanic white kids under the age of 18 will drop below 50% of the kid population. By 2042, the same will happen to the population at large. Non-hispanic whites would still have plurality, or whatever the demographic version of that word is, but not the majority.

I would expect some pretty radical change from that if nothing else.
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The population doesn't matter if the laws stay the same. Until these post Jim Crow era laws directly affect the group who wields the most power in this country there won't be much change. I'm not even going to get my hopes up; I don't go on faith. I go on tangible results.
 
Angelus Errare said:
The population doesn't matter if the laws stay the same. Until these post Jim Crow era laws directly affect the group who wields the most power in this country there won't be much change. I'm not even going to get my hopes up; I don't go on faith. I go on tangible results.
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Yeah, everyone keeps saying "Soon we will be the majority!"

Doesn't matter fuck-all if all the power is concentrated outside of the majority.
 
Hopefully people will stop voting idiots into office(Nixon, Mayor who appoints the police chief, US congressmen who vote overwhelmingly to militarize the police, etc...)

That's the only way any of this is going to change. Stop voting for the idiots.
 
The only reason I dislike the curfew is:

If the people keep protesting and therefore stretching police resources thin, you would think it would give incentive for the police to be a bit more forthcoming with information on the very thing that caused this in the first place.
 
Saying that the problem begins with looting and burning shit reminds me of people saying in the most purposefully naive manner asking what was Trayvon doing punching that fat fuck.

S.S.D.D
 
thepotatoman said:
By 2019, the population of non-hispanic white kids under the age of 18 will drop below 50% of the kid population. By 2042, the same will happen to the population at large. Non-hispanic whites would still have plurality, or whatever the demographic version of that word is, but not the majority.

I would expect some pretty radical change from that if nothing else.
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Don't bet on it. If there are more interracial partnerships, pretty much everybody in the US will probably be white in a couple of generations.
 
State of Emergency is simply being declared so that the cops can have even more freedom to kill people because you have no freedoms during a state of emergency.

All and all I expect nothing to come of this. It'll be a news items for a few weeks then we'll be back to status quo again, Wilson will be charged with manslaughter, be acquitted like all cops are and be given a medal by the police department.
 
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