Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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B-Dubs said:
It doesn't outright prove the eyewitness testimony, but if you were to look at the facts as we know them that testimony has been strengthened a bit. He'd have to been high on all kinds of drugs to think charging a cop that was shooting at him was a good idea.
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Right. I agree. The notion that this seemed like a good idea seems bizarre and unlikely. But, that's the narrative that we were hearing through the grapevine as the Wilson's version of events and in that tavernkeepers video (or whatever it was). Again, I want to stress that this isn't a devil's advocate post. I don't see that this helps that argument (aside from showing that he wasn't shot in the back even if he was shot at while fleeing). But I also don't see that it conclusively puts that argument to bed.

Basically, I just kind of feel like even with this new bit of evidence, we're still exactly where we were before.
 
David H Wong said:
Now do one where he's charging at the police officer. Then do one where he's on the ground, pleading for his life. Why not? We're pulling all of these out of our asses, might as well cover every situation.
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If you're just going to come in here and be a complete negative Nancy, you can sign off dude. Go elsewhere.
 
FamousLastX said:
And got shot on the inside of his arm? That would be a very unusual way to run.
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David H Wong said:
Now do one where he's charging at the police officer. Then do one where he's on the ground, pleading for his life. Why not? We're pulling all of these out of our asses, might as well cover every situation.
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Dude who in the fuck do you think you are? Some putrid shit over here goddamn
 
David H Wong said:
Now do one where he's charging at the police officer. Then do one where he's on the ground, pleading for his life. Why not? We're pulling all of these out of our asses, might as well cover every situation.
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Dude, I like your stuff on Cracked but come on, save the sarcastic stuff for another time
 
ishibear said:
Yeah let's blame parents for police throwing tear gas at their children.

People this is happening in a public area. There's no telling what the circumstances are for the people affected.
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Branduil said:
Yeah, what are the parent thinking, bringing their kids to a public place in America.
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Really? I mean, obviously, it's total bullshit what the cops are doing, and it's fucking insane that you have to protect your kids from the police in this situation, but parents still have the responsibility to keep their kids safe when no one else, even the police, will.

There are lots and lots and lots of public places that my parents would never have allowed me to go to, especially at night, when I was a kid, and they were far far far less likely to degenerate into lawless violence than this.
 
FunkyMunkey said:
Tow that devil's advocate line buddy.
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Yes, suggesting the posters in this thread don't have extensive experience performing autopsies is playing devil's advocate.

If the roles were reversed and some poster was using that drawing to declare a black shooter guilty, you'd be calling him a nazi.

So, how about we wait until we have all of the information?
 
Gonzalez said:
Why would you let your kid go to McDonald's by himself? That's very irresponsible.
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Who said he was alone?

Renzoku said:
How about using common sense? This has been going on for a week. I think it's pretty easy to come up with a general idea of what will happen during the evening protest after a week of this. Why on earth you would put your kid in that sort of danger is beyond me. Shit happens at protests.

It's like saying "I don't have to pay to other people's driving while I drive a car, if they hit me because of something they did wrong, it won't be my fault!" Yeah, but it'll leave you hurt, scarred, maimed or dead just the same. Leave kids and animals and shit at home, or somewhere safe.

There's plenty of ways for them to make their voices heard while ensuring that they're not harmed.
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If you don't know the circumstances, I suggest you rest your opinion about it. There's innocent people in the nearby area that are being victimized by this, if this is where they live, there's not much they can do.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Right. I agree. The notion that this seemed like a good idea seems bizarre and unlikely. But, that's the narrative that we were hearing through the grapevine as the Wilson's version of events and in that tavernkeepers video (or whatever it was). Again, I want to stress that this isn't a devil's advocate post. I don't see that this helps that argument (aside from showing that he wasn't shot in the back even if he was shot at while fleeing). But I also don't see that it conclusively puts that argument to bed.

Basically, I just kind of feel like even with this new bit of evidence, we're still exactly where we were before.
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We aren't completely where we were before, but yea you are right. It doesn't entirely disprove anything, it just makes some things more likely to have happened than others.
 
mattiewheels said:
Very sobering answers for someone who knows nothing about handling guns. I always assumed that they were trained for every situation instead of just "shoot center till they're down".
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Patrol officers don't have anywhere near enough time to train for that type of thing, it is not nearly as easy as it sounds, and it takes a LOT of practice. SWAT marksmen might be able to do it, sure, but that's like one in 100 police officers, if that.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
How do we know the shots line up with having his arms up? Better yet, can anyone link to the autopsy? Better than derailing a conversation apparently you guys already had.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...s-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1

Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed on Sunday found.

One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access.
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Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results. Nor has he had access to witness and police statements.

Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

He stressed that his information does not assign blame or justify the shooting.

“We need more information; for example, the police should be examining the automobile to see if there is gunshot residue in the police car,” he said.
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One of the bullets shattered Mr. Brown’s right eye, traveled through his face, exited his jaw and re-entered his collarbone. The last two shots in the head would have stopped him in his tracks and were likely the last fired.
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Dr. Baden said it was unusual for the federal government to conduct a third autopsy, but dueling examinations often occur when there is so much distrust of the authorities. The county of St. Louis has conducted an autopsy, and the results have not yet been released.

He stressed that his examination was not to determine whether the shooting was justified.

“In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’ ” said Dr. Baden, who retired from the state police in 2011. “Right now there is too little information to forensically reconstruct the shooting.”
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All the arm shots were front, with palms to the front. Hence the Wolverine callbacks.
 
David H Wong said:
Yes, suggesting the posters in this thread don't have extensive experience performing autopsies is playing devil's advocate.

If the roles were reversed and some poster was using that drawing to declare a black shooter guilty, you'd be calling him a nazi.

So, how about we wait until we have all of the information?
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Dude what?
 
David H Wong said:
If the roles were reversed and some poster was using that drawing to declare a black shooter guilty, you'd be calling him a nazi.
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Uhhhhh, no.

gcubed said:
Right... You don't think that's driving as much of a narrative as the other posters opposite fighting is?
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It was merely someone analyzing the autopsy report. No one here is looking at it going "SEE, IT'S CONCLUSIVE. DEATH TO THE COP." We are discussing and analyzing turns of events.

I commented that with the arms up, the bullets are grouped. Does that mean anything important, especially right this second? Of course not, we're all just talking.
 
David H Wong said:
Now do one where he's charging at the police officer. Then do one where he's on the ground, pleading for his life. Why not? We're pulling all of these out of our asses, might as well cover every situation.
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On the one hand I get the sentiment. On the other . . . you could use some tact given the situation.

Not to mention that grouping seems convincing at a glance.
 
kendrid said:
All of us knew it was probably going to happen and is going to continue to happen until this situation is calmed down. Children should not be there.
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Children can and should be allowed to attend a peaceful protest. The police broke the curfew that *they* set by nearly 3 hours, by shooting tear gas into the peaceful crowd. This isn't up for discussion.
 
David H Wong said:
Yes, suggesting the posters in this thread don't have extensive experience performing autopsies is playing devil's advocate.

If the roles were reversed and some poster was using that drawing to declare a black shooter guilty, you'd be calling him a nazi.

So, how about we wait until we have all of the information?
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What the fuck are you talking about
 
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