Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Megidolaon said:
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.
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Parallels to history, the many stories of modern day. We know exactly what this looks like, and what would have been had we not demanded justice (regardless of true results).

Plus lets be honest, nothing about what happened even remotely sounds right.
 
jamesinclair said:
Bullshit.

This guy in Germany was coming at cops with a machete.

They shot him in the leg.

http://www.bild.de/news/inland/voll...-betrunkenen-macheten-mann-36259026.bild.html

Or as a facebook image put it

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Funny how the rest of the civilized word has figured it out.
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In fairness we'd have to see how German police react to a black guy with a machete and NY police react to a mentall ill white guy =P
 
Mully said:
One thing I will say about the cops from the brief time I worked closely with them (before I had to leave for being an absolute idiot) is that the command structure in most police and fire departments is that if you're not tapped to talk to the media, YOU DO NOT TALK TO THE MEDIA.

Being cold to the media is the norm. If you talk to the media without permission, your statements reflect the entire department. It could mean your job. A job that pays a great salary and a better pension.

To sum it all up, the cops shown in the VICE stream are likely being dicks because if they don't, they get blacklisted and could possibly be fired.
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I can understand the "don't talk to the media" orders because what you say reflects the department, but at the same time being so cold and impersonal makes for a bad appearance too. Damned if you do damned if you don't I guess.
 
TastyOreoFriend said:
You'd think at this point someone with significant power would step and take charge of the situation directly. It's clear the methods so far haven't worked. We need more then a few politicians saying some pretty words. It's a shame too cause I thought we were on track a few days ago, or at least in a better position. This country was founded on ideals that are being metaphorically raped to protect a corrupt police bureaucracy.

Seeing how this is has carried on for so long however I doubt anything significant will be taking place any time soon.
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Its so terrible, things actually were taking a turn for the better, and then the PD had the bright idea of stirring up shit with the release of that video.
 
Megidolaon said:
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.

Edit: I'm done here. I don't wanna get banned for going against what everyone else thinks.
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It's just hard to feel any sort of sympathy when he's essentially in hiding and being paid for this while a community is pretty much under Martial Law.

At this point he should at least be arrested. None of this will calm down until that at least happens. Arrest him. Let the FBI continue with their investigation and then give him his day in court.

It's just hard to feel sympathy for the police when it has been a complete shit show with the way they've handled this whole thing. I'm honestly shocked they still have total authority right now. NOTHING they have done has worked or helped.
 
Megidolaon said:
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.
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I hate this lame tactic. How about instead of trying to paint anyone who disagrees with you as hysterical, you provide some links to back up your unsubstantiated claims that have literally never been brought up here (broken jaw).
 
Lubricus said:
The family requested a private autopsy and the results were released today, All the shots were from the front. He was shot 6 times, 4 times in the R arm and twice in the head.
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Yes we all know this.

How does that disprove the witnesses?

Bullets were found in neighboring properties. He could have begun firing, missed, causing the victim to turn around with his arms up going wtf dont shoot.
 
zewone said:
Even if Wilson's report of the incident was 100% accurate, there was no reason to shoot an unarmed person.
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That's my position as well. It doesn't matter if men were beating on him beforehand. Once he exited that vehicle and everyone was either fleeing or backed off the situation was under his control. No need to keep shooting at a man, let alone 6-8 shots (or more).
 
jamesinclair said:
Bullshit.

This guy in Germany was coming at cops with a machete.

They shot him in the leg.

http://www.bild.de/news/inland/voll...-betrunkenen-macheten-mann-36259026.bild.html

Or as a facebook image put it

urAYo9M.jpg




Funny how the rest of the civilized word has figured it out.
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Congrats, you posted a Facebook image of a single incident. I'm sure I can find one from somewhere in America that fits the image as well. There are plenty more instances where a German officer killed someone with a knife...
 
jamesinclair said:
Bullshit.

This guy in Germany was coming at cops with a machete.

They shot him in the leg.

http://www.bild.de/news/inland/voll...-betrunkenen-macheten-mann-36259026.bild.html

Or as a facebook image put it

http://i.imgur.com/urAYo9M.jpg



Funny how the rest of the civilized word has figured it out.
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A shot to the leg is absolutely deadly force. You can easily be killed this way, and that's why the use of a firearm is never permitted in situations where death is not a justifiable outcome.

Aiming non-center mass is dangerous in every case, but yes it can be done and it might even work. No one should ever rely on arguing that the ends justify the means, though.

This is slightly off topic though as this doesn't come into play in the current situation in any way with regards to the information we have now. If this man being shot and killed isn't justified him being shot in the leg and wounded also is not justified.
 
Dicer said:
Are you for real?
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I think that question would be better posed to the person who posted that stupid picture as an example of a non-lethal way to stop someone.

You can die just as easily from a shot to your leg as you can from a shot to your center mass.

People all the time say "why not just aim at x", as if it were easy and was also guaranteed to be non-letha.
 
I'm searching online, but I can't find any information about the police officer having a broken jaw other than rumours on forums like "Above Top Secret" and "Free Republic."
 
Megidolaon said:
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.

Edit: I'm done here. I don't wanna get banned for going against what everyone else thinks.
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Come back when you actually know what the hell your talking about instead of just making stuff up just because.
 
I know it was talked about a couple night ago, but what is up with Twitter and Facebook. Neither are trending? It's the only topic I see on twitter right now yet the trending hashtag is AwkwardPickupLines.

WTF?
 
gcubed said:
Congrats, you posted a Facebook image of a single incident. I'm sure I can find one from somewhere in America that fits the image as well. There are plenty more instances where a German officer killed someone with a knife...
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Considering that in 2012, German police (yes all of them) fired 85 shots, TOTAL....

"49 warning shots, 36 shots on suspects. 15 persons were injured, 6 were killed."

Plenty more instances you say?
 
KHarvey16 said:
The examiner hired by the family concluded all shots entered from his front. What that means as far as if the shooting was justified or not remains to be seen. It certainly doesn't eliminate either possibility.
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As many people noted, that doesn't mean he was not shoot in at his back.
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.
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I haven't seen anything about a broken jaw, but yes the autopsy does contradict at least one of the witnesses. Not necessarily contradictory with what he observed, but with his understanding of what he observed. He may not have been shot in the back, but it is possible that he was being shot at with his back turned--either being missed or struck in the arms, but appearing to the witness as if the victim were shot in the back. Yes, it's also possible he's contorting the truth altogether to make the cop look worse. Witness testimony is often a tricky thing, but inconsistencies don't necessarily invalidate an entire account.
 
Trail Guide said:
I can understand the "don't talk to the media" orders because what you say reflects the department, but at the same time being so cold and impersonal makes for a bad appearance too. Damned if you do damned if you don't I guess.
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Yeah. It's really difficult sometimes when in that system. Everyone's got a different opinion but when the uniform goes on, there's only one correct opinion. I forgot that and said some things about another department I'm not proud of while drunk and depressed. It cost me a volunteer job, but more than that it cost me dozens of friendships.
 
from reddit:
According to the scanner earlier, the whole thing started when the Mcdonalds called to say there were looters there, and they locked themselves in, they asked the cops for evac, and the protestors would not give way. That's when the riot gear came in.
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Megidolaon said:
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.

Edit: I'm done here. I don't wanna get banned for going against what everyone else thinks.
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It's always funny to see people say dumb shit and then go "omg!! stop!! i'm out of here UGH!" when they're proven wrong.
 
Lubricus said:
The family requested a private autopsy and the results were released today, All the shots were from the front. He was shot 6 times, 4 times in the R arm and twice in the head.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSumLargeMedia&module=a-lede-package-region&region=lede-package&WT.nav=lede-package
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You know that I was aware of that? Just dumbfounded that someone already dismissed the witness testimonies even when was discused to death some pages before.
 
Just in case it hasn't been mentioned or shown on the news, there are walks and protests in many other cities and towns across the country. Just trying to post at least something positive.
 
Even if someone wants to discredit the eyewitnesses. How do you discredit a guy live tweeting the thing. I mean its not like he could come up with a tale to tell media or something. He is literally typing it out as it happened.
 
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