Yea I mean Eric Garner's death was ruled a homicide by an illegal chokehold yet that officer is still free.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Yea I mean Eric Garner's death was ruled a homicide by an illegal chokehold yet that officer is still free.
HP_Wuvcraft
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More like arrogant. They obviously think that they are morally right in this situation. I mean, one allegedly threatened to shoot a reporter on a livestream.
That's not stupidity. That's megalomania.
timetokill
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Is tear gas banned by international law? http://m.state.gov/md4784.htm
Justin_Bailey
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The witnesses' testimony only matters in court. Their seem to be alot of 'experts' in this thread that know exactly what happened. Funny how quick people take sides. I'm even guilty myself of feeling one way early on when this news broke, and how I feel a week later.
CrimsonCommie
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Nope
jordan0386
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If I saw somebody shooting at you, I'd assume you were hit too.
They were still shooting at you though. When you weren't shooting at them.
When's the last time you witnessed someone being murdered? If you saw him running, heard gunshots, he turns around and seconds later, is dead. How as a witness are you supposed to know which of the eight shots fired actually hit?
There were about 3 or 4 witnesses. The one who was live tweeting about it never mentioned he was hit in the back.
Also maybe they just assumed he was hit because he turned around with his hands up.
I don't see how their testimony isn't reliable. All witnesses unrelated to each other claim the same thing. Shots were fired as he was running. Brown then turns around with his hands up and shot repeatedly and then shot in the head.
Another thing I learned rather quickly while briefly volunteering for emergency services is that shooting a pistol in a high pressure situation is instantaneous. Cops don't have time to think, they find a reason to shoot, and shoot. They aren't counting how many shots they're taking, they just shoot until they think the person is down.
My uncle encountered a guy walking the neighborhood with pistol. He was looking for suicide by cop. My uncle was first on scene. He tried to talk the guy down. The guy didn't listen and pulled for his gun. By the time the gun was out of his pocket and ready to fire, my uncle fired three shots. He missed two and hit the guy's hand on his last shot. The entire sequence took less than a second. They were only feet away.
My point is, a lot of times people get caught up with how many rounds were fired, but they don't realize that the cops aren't counting. The cops are firing until either their adrenaline or magazine is empty.
I'm not sure if that's applicable in this case since it seems like the cop had some time to think, but I thought that this point would offer some insight.
With that said, my uncle recently encountered the man he shot at a recent domestic disturbance. The man didn't say a word to him. Although my uncle remarked that the man did look like he was doing better mentally.
Also doing this from mobile. Pardon for the grammar.
Here we go again.
MikeOfTheLivingDead
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The report doesn't prove he wasn't hit while running away. Observe...
Think about what your arms actually do when you are sprinting what might they do if you are sprinting for cover. It's quite possible to hit someone in the front of the hand, forearm or interior bicep while they are running away from you.
Angelus Errare
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CrimsonCommie
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This is true. But when all the witnesses have certain details pretty much the same the picture becomes clearer. All the witnesses have stated that he was shot facing the officer with his hands up.
Chie Satonaka
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Shocking.
Interesting that the store owner would make a statement like that, some people are justifying his death due to that video.
Gee. I wonder why.
FlowersisBritish
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I know? It's like a bunch of people have been following the facts, paying attention to the things happening, and coming up with informed and comprehensive opinions and arguments?
Justin_Bailey
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"ended up saying the same thing" is vague. All the stories have some differences.
Angelus Errare
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I'm having deja vu. Like someone is going to make a comment about "obviously the store owner would say that because he's being intimidated" or something. I swear this has happened before.
Quite; and we have forensic evidence that at least gives some acknowledgement to this.
Yet to see anything that reputes the immediate witness testimony (hell these things are usually chinese whispers; but nope the story is remaining consistent).
CrimsonCommie
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Justin_Bailey
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Are you sure you're following 100% facts, or some facts, some opinions, some exaggerations, some things taken out of context, and some things still to be revealed?
Even if you want to discredit majority of the witnesses. A person live tweeting it has no time to concoct a story or anything its happening as he tweets.
It was only a matter of time.
That's what happens with eyewitness testimony that isn't made up, people are going to remember things with slight differences.
Spring-Loaded
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Should we toss them out and ask Wilson what happened instead?
Tell me what's a fair assessment of all the facts available, please.
Angelus Errare
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We should, Wilson is the only one who doesn't have an ah-jin-dah!
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Should've happened a long time ago, these clowns don't know how to handle shit.
TastyOreoFriend
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Hey but Police retraining though amirite?!
You can't really blame them though. The Police are the entire root cause of everything that's happened up to now. They've demonstrated themselves to be incompetent, heavy handed, and protectionist. Media and civil liberties be damned as long as we can roll out our tanks and play weekend warrior, all the while bungling the (nonexistent) investigation.
Brolic Gaoler
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The situation was defusing till Ferguson PD released the video, against everyone's advice.
Another so called "witness".
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Source?
Justin_Bailey
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So we got the National guard and Amnesty going to Ferguson? I wonder how this will all end up.
plasmawave
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More_Badass
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Source?
That phrase has some bad historical connotations.
TastyOreoFriend
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Hey only what? 6, 7 days late? Bout fucking time.
everyday math
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Whoa
Just after the police said they weren't.
joseph1594
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Why do some people think that eyewitness testimonies are magically are either fully right or fully wrong? That is a false dichotomy. The detail of Johnson saying Brown was hit in the back does not disprove the whole testimony. When something like this is taking place, you are not going to have a photographic memory of the situation. As other people have pointed out, the witnesses could have thought Brown was hit when he was shot at and started to kneel.
Witnesses can (and will) get details wrong but be mostly right about what happened.
Witnesses can (and will) get details wrong but be mostly right about what happened.
I'm confused. If the store owner didn't call the police, how did the police come into possession of the video and a police report filed? Did I miss something here?
FamousLastX
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Don't believe so, thanks for sharing this. Love John Oliver, so looking forward to seeing what he had to say about all this.
Brolic Gaoler
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It's really not. Military being in control,over civilians is not ideal.
@alanblinder 11:42 PM
Governor Jay Nixon of Missouri is deploying the National Guard to #Ferguson, his office says.
https://twitter.com/alanblinder/status/501257789646602241
Governor Jay Nixon of Missouri is deploying the National Guard to #Ferguson, his office says.
https://twitter.com/alanblinder/status/501257789646602241
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