Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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It's like people are forgetting someone was shot during protests.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ferguson-curfew-20140816-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ferguson-curfew-20140816-story.html
Here we go again...
If he was an accomplice to robbery, why hasn't he been charged with anything?
.....and that could not have happened because?
In addition to what Cranky Jay said they went headlong into pushing the protesters back and never really let up until the dispersed. It seemed like they were really attempting to suppress the media coverage as well and a bunch of people were arrested or threatened. I was busy so I wasn't able to focus entirely but 2 journalists were arrested for attempting to leave immediately after being told they'd be arrested if they hung around. A journalist had a gun pointed at him and was threatened by a cop for either shining a light in his direction or taping him. People locked themselves in McDonalds and were tending to people affected by the Tear Gas with milk.
I missed what happened involving a lot of the protesters though.
benjipwns
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Anti-cop bigots in the media causing a ruckus to push their extremist anti-racism agenda?
This is so unsurprising. Good god.
Given the body count racked up by the police against young black men I think that you can apply Occam's razor to the witness's stories.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
When you say "most of the eyewitness testimony has just been turned to garbage", whose exactly isn't?
Because proceeding with a minor charge in a racially tense situation is a bad PR move for the police?
Because it doesn't make any logical sense. Witnesses lying and/or embellishing what they saw makes a lot more sense.
People are too lazy to do their own research this morning it seems, or just plainly don't give a fuck about facts. Fuck facts.
That's not how occams razor works.
If anyone missed it, John Oliver's analysis/thoughts about Ferguson from last night. Pure awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
You're kidding, right? In a week of bad PR move after bad PR move, they're choosing THIS one to be careful about?
LOL
benjipwns
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Facts are how peace warriors end up out of jobs instead of confronting evil on the frontlines.
Why wouldn't that make any sense? If there was a scuffle beforehand the officer could have been pissed off. Anyway, you are changing the subject. You said the autopsy report nullifies the story and I'm saying it nullifies nothing.
So all the witnesses that claim he was shot with his hands up are lying then?
Are there any witnesses telling the truth?
You have to having a willing prosecutor to try a charge. I have no doubts the police threw the idea out there internally, some attorney with more sense probably shot them down.
Keep reaching...keep moving those goal posts...
You are saying the police aren't acting consistent. I'm giving you a logical explanation as to why they wouldn't pursue the charge. That's not moving goal posts.
Jag
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The sad thing is this quote could have come from 1860 or 1960 and will still be said by people in 2060.
As far as I know it is confirmed. You can't change time stamps on twitter and he tweeted about it barely minutes after it happened even posting an image of Mike on the ground with the cop standing over his body. His account generally aligned with the previous witnesses.
I can't see it being fake.
For anyone who hasn't seen it here is a link it's NSFW and potentially disturbing as it shows a dead body: https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/499639344613695488
BronsonLee
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The only thing the autopsy report does is put more pressure on Wilson to explain his actions.
The 4 eyewitness accounts thinking he got shot in the back while running away could easily be construed to mean shot at, and he jerked violently/jumped when he heard the shot, as most would do. That is pure conjecture, though.
Unless Wilson has an airtight reason for A: firing that much B: those 2 head shots, he's going to jail.
It doesn't swing anything to one side or the other, as the coroner said himself. We need more accounts of the incident.
The 4 eyewitness accounts thinking he got shot in the back while running away could easily be construed to mean shot at, and he jerked violently/jumped when he heard the shot, as most would do. That is pure conjecture, though.
Unless Wilson has an airtight reason for A: firing that much B: those 2 head shots, he's going to jail.
It doesn't swing anything to one side or the other, as the coroner said himself. We need more accounts of the incident.
We don't actually know if the officer doesn't have a disciplinary record.
From The Daily Beast:
There is a possibility that Darren Wilson does have a history of using excessive force and needing disciplinary action and the chief would literally have no idea of it because it's not in his personnel file, it would be in the individual case files.
There is also the possibility that the officers are lying to protect their own. In that same Daily Beast article, it mentions that the officers' deposition in that case contradicted what was reported in their own complaint against Mr. Davis. They committed perjury to cover their asses -- they're aren't exactly the most trustworthy source of information.
Bluekaveli
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Bishop is probably lurking. Don't become a victim like many others from last night buddy.
benjipwns
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Hold on here buddy, you're assuming he gets charged.
BronsonLee
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Like someone said in here before, they're going to be very cagey with all the investigation being done here, because it's a cop. The burden of proof is way higher. So if you charge a cop with something like this, he's done. And I would assume he gets charged because I can't really think of a plausible explanation for the shot placement, in particular the one in the eye. Unless he wants to say he shot an offender charging at him with his head down in the eye from 35 feet away.
This is a very tricky situation for the prosecutor, because it's probably the most high profile case he will ever see, and he's probably facing political pressure from absolutely everybody. I hope he doesn't overreach on a charge like in the Martin case.
Team Top Hat
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Talked to a buddy of mine at work about this. He responded with "he should have been shot 12 times"...I quickly excused myself out. What the hell is wrong with people?
ElectricBlanketFire
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Everyone has a camera. This won't work.
Dude, come on. Just watch the video from the store. It's pretty clear he just kinda happens to be in the store with Mike and even looks really uncomfortable with what's happening. It's pretty unfair to call him an accomplice for just happening to be in the store with someone who decided to steal shit and push the store owner, given that you can SEE him being actively not involved in any of that. Christ, you can see him putting the things handed to him back on the counter!
Your sarcasm detector is broken.
I have a better reason the cops didn't pursue a charge. The person in question was dead. We don't charge people we've already shot to death, because they rarely turn up at their court hearings.
Really the only scenario that I can think of, given what we understand at this moment, that would potentially justify deadly force is a physical altercation where he tried to grab the gun, then him running away without being shot at, followed by him charging the officer. If he's being shot at while fleeing and attempting to disengage from the situation, turning and charging can easily be justified as an attempt to defend himself. Maybe a foolish one but if it's in response to unjustified deadly force it still qualifies I think.
It will be interesting to learn how many rounds were fired.
It will be interesting to learn how many rounds were fired.
He's referring to Dorian Johnson...
Look, if that's bannable thing to say, i'll take it.
I made a similar comment in the original trayvon martin thread that the florida DA was idiotic to pursue a murder charge instead of manslaughter due to the evidence, even though I though Zimmerman is/was guilty as fuck.
Dorian Johnson not Mike Brown is who is being reffered to.
Oh, whoops.
I was actually sort of responding to mernst's earlier labeling of him as an accomplice to a robbery, I somehow thought that response was still mernst. Oops!But yeah, I think the main reason they wouldn't pursue a charge is that we can see video evidence of him not being guilty. That seems like a pretty good reason to me.
Oh, my bad
He basically thinks Dorian Johnson's eye witness account is worthless because he was an accomplice to a robbery he never got charged for... =/
benjipwns
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The internal investigation says it's a good shoot, and it's time for the community and the family of officer Wilson to be able to move on and heal.
No need for charges or anything that could cause more trauma.
The police kicked around the idea of not pressing charges of someone they have on film because of optics.
Instead they thought a curfew because of protests was good optics.
Yup...
So basically just making up facts to fit his preconceptions. Got it.
subtext: he's a thug.
They don't keep disciplinary records for them. Probably for this exact reason.
3 witnesses who don't know each other, one who uploaded their account mere minutes after it happened, all describe the same version. And them lying over the cop who's just killed someone is "logical"?
Dreams-Visions
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bigots
extremist
agenda
None of these words should be in the same sentence as 'anti-racism'. Hell, the fact that you're condemning not being racist is disgusting in itself.
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