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[BruiserBear]

No matter what happened before the shooting, if at any point Brown put his hands up to surrender, the police officer is guilty of murder if he shot afterwards. None of this "bum rushing" or "went for his gun" matters anymore. I'm very interested to see what the officer "states" happened when he unloaded on Brown.

The guy could've been the world's most dangerous terrorist and still it would've been murder on US soil if he was shot after he surrendered.

All along I've been inclined to agree that it's hard to consider a scenario where Brown should have been shot.

However, hearing this account today, it opens up one possibility I could imagine seeming justified. There obviously was a struggle at the police car, and according to the officer Brown got his hand on his gun, and it may have even been fired while in the vehicle. (not sure this is true). Brown apparently does run away, but then turns and comes back at the officer who is now out of the car. If the officer had just had this encounter with this very large guy, and the guy was aggressive enough to actually go for his weapon, and manged to fire it once in the car, and then that large guy is appearing to charge at him on the street, I could imagine the officer being quite scared that "if this guy gets his hands on this gun I'm dead."

I'm inclined to believe that didn't happen, because people have said Brown didn't charge, but CED just referenced someone saying he did, so we'll see about that.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Because I'm getting sick of his nonsense I'll say this: A shallow search of Brolic Gaoler
(Alienshogun's) posting habits paint a pretty clear picture of his "impartiality".

 

[CornDogg]

Who knows

Lincoln University? Surprised it's not in front of the Capitol or Governor's Mansion.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

So what d yo think happened or could have happened?

Brown assaulted the officer, ran and then came back (since he was shot from medium distance he had to at least walked/ran away at some point) charged at the cop. the officer shot at him several times hitting him 5 times including one shot that somehow entered his palm ( cause everyone runs at people with their palms exposed) and one shot that entered above his browline, exited his chin and re-entered into his collarbone...so the last shot occurred while Brown was at like a 30 degree angle facing Wilson?

No idea. Either something happened in the confrontation at the cop car to enrage the cop,to the point he lost his shit and killed the teen in cold blood, or the teen attacked the cop and the cop killed the teen. The legitimacy of lethal force being in question on the latter.

Yeah cops just killing black people for existing. Definitely far fetched. The fuck. Get some perspective.

Possible? Yes. But still far fetched.

 

[timetokill]

I saw that video, and to me it's completely unclear who they are talking about. They said 'He kept coming.' Oh, that means Brown is charging the cop? Interesting. Also, someone noted that it's hard to tell if the random background guy said 'coming' or 'going'.

 

[marrec]

Yeah cops just killing black people for existing. Definitely far fetched. The fuck. Get some perspective.

In some peoples heads it's much more likely that this kid decided to suicide by cop because he was afraid of going to jail for stealing 48 bucks worth of sweets.

Oh god it hurts my brain thinking about it.

 

[Rembrandt]

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?

In 2014, I'll have to say the story about the cop unjustly shooting a black guy in broad daylight for nothing seems a lot more plausible, especially since it happened again around the same time this shooting happened and continuously happens throughout the year.

 

[Jado]

What you just laid out I absolutely agree with. Unfortunately all the comic book stated was your final point in the narrative about the white shooter. Like I said, I get the point, I just think it's lazily done

Lazy? No, it isn't. It's a satirical 4-panel comic strip, concise and to the point. It's not an essay that's meant to be hyper-literal and explain all its nuances to you.

The second panel about the white killer encompasses all of the points I just made that deflect blame from the white killer to a host of external deficiencies in society (lack of mental health services, being tough on bullying, etc) vs. internal problems within the black individual and black culture that led to a person's own death.

 

[ishibear]

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?


The thing is as time goes on there's more evidence supporting the officer's side of the story in my opinion, and yes, I'm bias, but we all are in some way or another either through our affiliations or experiences. We've already established that.

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

You keep throwing around bias like that somehow excuses people from shitty opinions. In this case, you get to make no excuses.

Your bias is fucked up. You need to look past it and stop trying to argue for your own convenience.

 

[zewone]

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

A trained officer is justified in killing a teenager for running at him unarmed?

What about any of the non-lethal options the officer had available and was trained to use?

There is nothing justifiable in any of the scenarios where someone should have been killed.

 

[Ovid]

CNN is saying a source says that Brown "bum rushed" Wilson.

Go to CNN (television) NOW for audio.

 

[Yrael]

Gah, benji, seriously please stop. I know you're being sarcastic, but only from what others have said - you're doing it so badly that it's hard to tell yours from a serious post without knowing beforehand.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Even if he did rush....cops are trained to take people down in a non-lethal manner with non lethal gear. Why did the cop reach for the gun first...instead of taking the kid down non-lethally?

Why was the kid shot 6 times by a trained cop? 6 times is an awful lot of shots for someone trained to handle life threatening situations.

SIX shots were fired. There have been many cases of regular folk who say they feared for their lives who shot less than that.

No see I learned in this very thread that cops don't have very good aiming so they go straight for center-mass to "neutralize" their targets instead of incapacitating them with a shot to the leg or knee, especially w/ unarmed citizens .

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?


The thing is as time goes on there's more evidence supporting the officer's side of the story in my opinion, and yes, I'm bias, but we all are in some way or another either through our affiliations or experiences. We've already established that.

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

Kid was going to college this month (maybe this week). You think a college-bound kid has a death wish to get shot by an armed cop by running up to him, like this is Last of Us or something? Are you going to then say he maybe did it b/c he didn't want to go to college after all, because I can think of easier ways to avoid college than getting yourself shot dead.

I mean, really think about this. Really think about this for a moment. That scenario makes absolutely zero sense. Or maybe the cop threatened to shoot him unless he ran back to him...and then shot him anyway.

Six. Times.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

CNN interview is on now

A trained officer is justified in killing a teenager for running at him unarmed?

What about any of the non-lethal options the officer had available and was trained to use?

There is nothing justifiable in any of the scenarios where someone should have been killed.

If he's in fear of his life, yes.

 

[Corronchilejano]

No idea. Either something happened in the confrontation at the cop car to enrage the cop,to the point he lost his shit and killed the teen in cold blood, or the teen attacked the cop and the cop killed the teen. The legitimacy of lethal force being in question on the latter either case.

FTFY

On record witness accounts do not support the case, and the witnesses in the video pretty much say the cop shot first.

 

[kehs]

CNN is saying a source says that Brown "bum rushed" Wilson.

Go to CNN now for audio.

I found their source

 

[B-Dubs]

This. He's going to end up banned if he keeps it up. I know it's kinda funny to show that sarcasm can be taken seriously because of the insanity that keeps coming from this, but it's gotten super old.

Also, I've gotten to the point where maybe I'm wondering if the defense of Brown and demand for justice is sarcasm and these latest statements are what he really feels /sarcasinception

You can honestly never tell with Benji, pretty sure he's not a wack-a-doo though.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Is it confirmed that Mike Brown actually stole anything? He supposedly paid for the rellos without showing ID in the new surveillance video, I thought? But everyone here keeps saying he stole them. It's the slowest damn "robbery" I've ever seen.

It has been confirmed, yes

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?


The thing is as time goes on there's more evidence supporting the officer's side of the story in my opinion, and yes, I'm bias, but we all are in some way or another either through our affiliations or experiences. We've already established that.

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

That's not farfetched at all, are you forgetting that only weeks ago a man was suffocated to death by use of an illegal choke-hold in broad daylight?

 

[BronsonLee]

No see I learned in this very thread that cops don't have very good aiming so they go straight for center-mass to "neutralize" their targets instead of incapacitating them with a shot to the leg or knee, especially w/ unarmed citizens .

I'll preface this by saying I only know the absolute basics about gun use.
Center-mass is a rule for anyone shooting a gun, unless there's a very specific reason to aim for the head/other body parts. You're shooting to kill, so you shoot the largest target. That's center-mass. You attempt to shoot someone in the leg/knee, you're reducing your accuracy while still providing a potentially lethal shot.

 

[zewone]

There obviously was a struggle at the police car, and according to the officer Brown got his hand on his gun, and it may have even been fired while in the vehicle. (not sure this is true).

There was no gun residue on Brown's body.

If he had fired a gun or if one was fired near, it should been on his person.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I will just say I have heard the "brown charged the officer" story from other people with supposed police connections before. These same people also said he was shot in the top of the head before the autopsy report came out.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

FTFY

On record witness accounts do not support the case, and the witnesses in the video pretty much say the cop shot first.

In the former it's outright murder. Which is why I said what I did the way I did.

There was no gun residue on Brown's body.

If he had fired a gun or if one was fired near, it should been on his person.

They didn't test his clothing.

 

[TheOMan]

CNN interview is on now




If he's in fear of his life, yes.

He shot at the guy while he was running away.

 

[bob_arctor]

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?

Fruitvale Station murder

 

[commedieu]

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?


The thing is as time goes on there's more evidence supporting the officer's side of the story in my opinion, and yes, I'm bias, but we all are in some way or another either through our affiliations or experiences. We've already established that.

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

You haven't explained why you buy the link/article you've posted more so than the witness testimony of what happened, along with the twitter eye witness.

These police officers beat up a man for no reason, and charged him for property damage. I know you haven't looked into the PD, otherwise you wouldn't be so transparent with your bias. You are willingly ignoring information to support a biased narrative.

You can't have an educated exchange/conversation this way. Not when you are cherry picking information and claiming a position based on it. Everyone else is looking at the situation with all information. There was more than likely a struggle. But not one that an autopsy registered, so it wasn't a fight to the death. The gunshots were from a distance as well. There is no reason for Mike Brown to be dead today and riddled with 7 shots based on what we know.

The officer ran away from the scene after shooting someone to death, again just to speak to the credibility of this PD. THis PD also trained sniper rifles on white women protesting. This is the state of mind with this PD. They are unfortunately one of the bad ones. With all of this, how they've arrested and assaulted media and press. You're still siding with your bias.

Do you think thats a wise choice, considering the polices documented history/reputation/current abuses..? Do you take the word of this police department (abusing media members, charging a innocent black man with property damage for bleeding on their outfits) over all of the witnesses?

With everything they've done and the damn near international condemnation/removal of the PD, believing them is more far fetched than not believing them.

 

[Rembrandt]

Lmao, the source was a female friend of the cop who was told the story. Yeah, fuck that.

 

[Devolution]

That's not farfetched at all, are you forgetting that only weeks ago a man was suffocated to death by use of an illegal choke-hold in broad daylight?

Black men being victims of police brutality are all independent events. And they probably did something to earn it.

 

[BronsonLee]

Lmao, the source was a female friend of the cop who was told the story. Yeah, fuck that.

Wait...really?

 

[Ovid]

Lmao, the source was a female friend of the cop who was told the story. Yeah, fuck that.

I don't believe it. Brown taunting the officer sounds like bullshit.

 

[Officerrob]

Lmao, the source was a female friend of the cop who was told the story. Yeah, fuck that.

Sources are saying its in line with what the officer has said

 

[Gonzalez]

You can honestly never tell with Benji, pretty sure he's not a wack-a-doo though.

I don't know? He literally typed out the same sarcastic opinion twice, but just worded it differently.

You're forgetting that he had marijuana in his system.

Don't forget he had marijuana in his system which implies not only was his frame of mind possibly impaired but that he had likely committed earlier felonies but was not caught because of our undersupplied police forces.

 

[LiK]

Lmao, the source was a female friend of the cop who was told the story. Yeah, fuck that.

Lol

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

That's not farfetched at all, are you forgetting that only weeks ago a man was suffocated to death by use of an illegal choke-hold in broad daylight?

Which could still be argued he wasn't trying to kill the guy, just trying to control him. It was still wrong, but it's questionable if he was trying to kill the man.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I don't know? He literally typed out the same sarcastic opinion twice, but just worded it differently.

It's sarcasm. Someone already got banned for calling him a clown since they seemingly didn't know it was meant as satire.

Which could still be argued he wasn't trying to kill the guy, just trying to control him. It was still wrong, but it's questionable if he was trying to kill the man.

What are you even trying to say at this point?

 

[FiggyCal]

Is it confirmed that Mike Brown actually stole anything? He supposedly paid for the rellos without showing ID in the new surveillance video, I thought? But everyone here keeps saying he stole them. It's the slowest damn "robbery" I've ever seen.

Dorian's lawyer said so himself.


"The officer did not know they had robbed -- I'm sorry not robbed -- let me take that back..."

 

[B-Dubs]

Wait...really?

That's why CNN hasn't reported it until now, they said that when the first started talking about it.

 

[kmag]

If you think my opinion is set in stone you're mistaken or haven't followed my post history here.

Both stories are far fetched. A teenager decided to attack and go for a cop? A cop decided to simply execute a teenager in broad daylight?


The thing is as time goes on there's more evidence supporting the officer's side of the story in my opinion, and yes, I'm bias, but we all are in some way or another either through our affiliations or experiences. We've already established that.

IMO the only way the shooting is justified is if mike did indeed charge the cop. If it comes out he didn't do that, he (the cop) clearly needs to be prosecuted.

Fuck American cops are pussies. An unarmed man 'charges' and it's suddenly it's the alamo. In the UK, it would be a baton around the chops, some cs spray in the eyes maybe a taser.

 

[Rembrandt]

Wait...really?

Yeah, he told her the story and that's what CNN ran with.

Sources are saying its in line with what the officer has said

Because he told her? It's not hard to tell a lie to a friend and have her say the same.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Lmao, the source was a female friend of the cop who was told the story. Yeah, fuck that.

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

There was no gun residue on Brown's body.

If he had fired a gun or if one was fired near, it should been on his person.

The coroner didn't have access to his clothes and mentioned that. A struggle inside the car could have happened.

 

[commedieu]

Fuck American cops are pussies. An unarmed man 'charges' and it's suddenly it's the alamo. In the UK, it would be a baton around the chops, some cs spray in the eyes maybe a taser.

Well they are just in a constant state of fear here. But yes, people used to just get their asses kicked by police, now its just shot.

Rodney king wouldn't have happened in 2014. The dude would have just been executed in public. Like the NYPD choke hold, or the Bart shooting.

The world would move on.

 

[Yrael]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

Because it aligns with multiple other independent witnesses.

(Not to mention that he was actually there!)

 

[zoukka]

Fuck American cops are pussies. An unarmed man 'charges' and it's suddenly it's the alamo. In the UK, it would be a baton around the chops, some cs spray in the eyes maybe a taser.

I don't think the day to day work is the same for UK and US cops.

(not defending the excess use of lethal force btw)

 

[zewone]

If he's in fear of his life, yes.

I just can't wrap my head around the scenario of Brown running away to run back at the officer. It defies all common sense and shouldn't put the fear of death into anyone, let along a police officer.

They didn't test his clothing.

The County did and there was no mention of it. You would think that them being so quick to tell us about him having had marijuana in his system, this would have been mentioned.

Except, it wasn't brought up because it's not a good look.

 

[Flo_Evans]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

1st hand witness vs hearsay.

 

[Rembrandt]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

Wasn't he an actual eyewitness, though?

And you know this, seriously, what are you doing? For real, man. You already compared him to mass murders now you're saying the accuracy of someone that actually seen what happened vs somebody that heard about what happened from the murder should be the same?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.

BRUH

C'MON

The friend who watched Brown be shot?

You have got to be playing devil's advocate here. And you're not doing a good job.

 

[Byakuya769]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING THERE!

The hell is wrong with you?

 

[B-Dubs]

And one of the sources for Mike was his friend, and that account was pretty well accepted here.


Hell, it was just posted again a few posts up.

There's a vast ocean of distance between seeing something happen and hearing about it from some guy.

You must be trolling not to realize this.