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[Saganator]

He had on slippers, SLIPPERS.

Rushing the cop is such a ridiculous story.

Right. I find him tripping on his slippers more believable than him charging a cop who is shooting at him.

 

[crisdecuba]

Lets say that they have a thing called weapons training in the Police department. Now, lets ask that question again. Could a trained police officer mistake a tazer with a gun? An officer trained to be familiar with the weight/feel/use of the device.

Could that person, in the heat of... OH WAIT, he was handcuffed on the ground already. Well, could a person trained to use pistols and tasers, on top of another handcuffed on the ground, confuse a taser for a gun. Aim it, probably take a safety off, and shoot a person to death?

Oh, sorry, I should have clarified. I ask just for the sake of knowing how close they are in design because it would seem dumb to me to design them to look / feel like a gun. The "defense" of "I thought it was my tazer" is ludicrous to me regardless.

 

[Abelian75]

In theory, people advocating withholding judgment wouldn't necessarily also be racist and/or with a pro-police bias. However, the majority of posters who've said this in this thread have been abrasive, seemingly only use that argument against people who are making conclusions based on what is already known that paint officer Wilson in a bad light (and who acknowledge the very quantifiable trend in situations like these throughout American history), and those same people saying "you can't pass judgment" have frequently done just that with their own speculation.

I understand entirely, and agree. There have been more posters of the kind you're talking about than actual detached observers, I agree. That said, I'm guessing there are a lot of reasonable people not posting out of fear of sparking a firestorm directed at them. I should be one of those people, but I'm an idiot.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

The other side is not doing the same thing. We think Wilson murdered a surrending Brown because of the evidence and multiple unrelated witness testimony. You believe Wilson defended himself from an attacking Brown because of the testimony of a few of his friends and your admitted bias towards authority.

What evidence? The only thing we have is testimony and an autopsy unless I missed something.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Hate to say it..but I dont think this cop will be charged/convicted of any crime.

The autopsy mixed with massive character damage from thr robbery video will be more then enough to sway a jury/judge.

The video was enough for me to think this...the autopsy showing no real execution style killing sealed the deal.

Your feelings based on things that are outside of the killing are central reasons to why people are protesting. Unarmed US citizen was shot by a police officer where the reality is that justice hinges on if the killed was not killed wrongly, but if he or she was a saint otherwise before being killed.

 

[gutter_trash]

people who complain about the protestors need to realize that if the people did not mobilize, Michael Brown would have been just another victim of police shooting swept under the rug.

There have been tons of people shot by police that did not get the same media attention yeah but it is the protests of the people that helped shed light on the national stage of the ongoing problem.

It's not that the iPod guy is less important, or the LA guy is less important, or the NYC guy is less important No, that's not what I am saying. The mobilization of the outrage from people who want justice is what finally shed light on this problem on a global stage.

Now, all of the Western world knows about this, and Amnesty International is setting observers to a G-8 country for the first time in its history.

 

[KevinRo]

He had on slippers, SLIPPERS.

Rushing the cop is such a ridiculous story.

So how did he run away?

 

[Black Republican]

ah the good ol too much attention on race, yet many whites claim to not see race?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Right. I find him tripping on his slippers more believable than him charging a cop who is shooting at him.

The guy who was tazed by police and then shot before he hit the ground was also said to be charging.

So how did he run away?

You believe he did something to warrant being shot while surrendering.

 

[Nokagi]

Where did this "rushing the cop" thing even start? I know it happen after the autopsy showed that wound on his head but who actually started that theory?Was it Fox News?

 

[FiggyCal]

Hate to say it..but I dont think this cop will be charged/convicted of any crime.

The autopsy mixed with massive character damage from thr robbery video will be more then enough to sway a jury/judge.

The video was enough for me to think this...the autopsy showing no real execution style killing sealed the deal.

The fact that he hasn't been charged yet is disheartening.

 

[Dr Bass]

I don't see anyone suggesting this in the thread at all. Everyone acknowledges that he at least resisted and ran away. Everyone would also acknowledge that he put his hands up in response to being shot at rather than his saintly disposition. I guess the truth will always lie in the middle if you misconstrue both sides.

None of that matters though, because you don't shoot someone who is running away. You pursue. It doesn't matter how "saintly" Brown was or not.

I wonder what the arguments for the cop would be if Brown had been shot in the back of the head and died that way.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

The fact that he hasn't been charged yet is disheartening.

I believe there is a grand jury hearing happening soon.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Dude was shot six times, twice in the head.

If he was rushing him and required that many shots to take down then cops may need to switch to just riding around in tanks... oh, wait they actually did that!

This story is ridiculous but of course it will sound plausible to a large number of Americans.

 

[El Odio]

This is why I hate CNN. Not everything us a 50/50 issue. There are 4 (?) Witnesses with the same story and they're pretending like it's still in the air whether or not Brown rushed at him.

This is a problem with a lot of media sources actually. I can't actually think of a single instance as of yet where one of them has pointed out how the shoplifitng video and story do nothing other than assassinate character unless it was the statement coming from the family.

 

[abuC]

So how did he run away?

He didn't get too far did he?

You want me to believe he started running at the cop in slippers, dodging gunfire along the way, in some slippers?

Or that after the cop had fired from inside the cop, Mike stops after being shot in the arm, only to turn around and say "You not gonna shoot" then running at the cop...in some slippers?

 

[CrankyJay]

people who complain about the protestors need to realize that if the people did not mobilize, Michael Brown would have been just another victim of police shooting swept under the rug.

We also get the added bonus of seeing how ridiculous the militarization of the police in the US has become, and how seemingly corrupt and incompetent this particular department is. If we at least get more awareness out of this, or more cops wearing cameras, or less militarization, Mike's death won't have been in vain.

 

[BronsonLee]

I believe there is a grand jury hearing happening soon.

I believe MSNBC said Wednesday?

 

[EatinOlives]

What did the police press briefing say? I don't think anyone has posted a summary but I may be wrong.

 

[KevinRo]

The guy who was tazed by police and then shot before he hit the ground was also said to be charging.



You believe he did something to warrant being shot while surrendering.

No. How could you possibly come to that conclusion? The poster, in capital letters, was insinuating that it was not likely that he was charging the officer because of slippers. I replied how did he run away? Did he take his slippers off?

 

[FreddieQuell]

What evidence? The only thing we have is testimony and an autopsy unless I missed something.

Does an autopsy not count as evidence? Maybe I used the wrong word, in any case I belive the autopsy supports the claim that Brown was shot while surrenduring.

 

[kehs]

Where did this "rushing the cop" thing even start? I know it happen after the autopsy showed that wound on his head but who actually started that theory?Was it Fox News?

The original police report written by another cop mentions it. Then there's a mention overhead during a filming of a scene. About 6 minutes in here

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I believe MSNBC said Wednesday?

We should/hopefully get some information a that point. I would hope.

Does an autopsy not count as evidence? Maybe I used the wrong word, in any case I belive the autopsy supports the claim that Brown was shot while surrenduring.

Or it supports he was shot in the front while charging. It also shows he wasn't shot in the back as a few of the accounts said,if I recall.

 

[everyday math]

President gonna speak soon?

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

It is very hard. I rarely fire guns, but I would recommend doing so at a range just for experience's sake. Your accuracy drops very sharply if you're aiming for something specific. That's why I was very confused as to how the officer shot Brown in the eye. That requires extreme marksmanship. But it seems that wound started at the top of the head and went down, etc.

Also, a gun is a killing weapon, and as such should be an absolute last resort use item. Using it for the purpose of anything else is asking for trouble. Use something else.

That's probably what I'm going to end up doing, but you just raised a very good point and something I hope the prosecution uses if this goes to trail.

That kind of gun shot would require close proximity and very good aim, and there's already the reports the officer made two shots to his head. So those were definitely done in close range, after the suspect was already down. There's no reason to shoot someone twice in the head if they're already down from previous shots unless you're intending to kill them, plain and simple.

Aiming a gun, especially a pistol, is dramatically harder than you're imagining. It's hard.

I get what you mean, but a gun is designed to kill. A shot to a foot isn't a "wounding shot," it's just less likely to be lethal than a shot to center mass, or the head.

Yeah, this makes sense the more I think about it. I'd like to be a badass that can make those sort of shots tho, if I were absolutely forced to ever using a gun.

 

[ced]

Where did this "rushing the cop" thing even start? I know it happen after the autopsy showed that wound on his head but who actually started that theory?Was it Fox News?

Supposedly it's the officers account.

There is this video that captures a guy who is recounting what he saw in the background at about 6 mins in, in which he says the cop chased Brown, then Brown turned around and started coming at the officer. It's pretty hard to hear and I wouldn't trust the transcript of it from a shitty site, but it's still interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM#t=70

 

[ReignofSparrows]

None of that matters though, because you don't shoot someone who is running away. You pursue. It doesn't matter how "saintly" Brown was or not.

I wonder what the arguments for the cop would be if Brown had been shot in the back of the head and died that way.

Pursuit versus use of lethal force is not clear cut if Brown had simply ran and never surrendered. Regardless, I was just responding to a poster who insinuated people think Brown put his hands up because he was such a nice guy.

 

[El Odio]

Where did this "rushing the cop" thing even start? I know it happen after the autopsy showed that wound on his head but who actually started that theory?Was it Fox News?

From what I can tell it seems to come from Wilson's side of the story, having be told to press by his friend because he's still too much of a coward to show his face.

 

[JDSN]

eh, both sides of the story seemed too sensationalized to me. I have not been following the story as closely as other, so I apologize if some of this has already been debunked or explained.

I don't believe that the officer just brutality murdered good-boy mike brown who was standing peacefully with his hands in the air. That just doesn't make sense.

I also don't believe that Brown rushed the officer in some drug induced state and ran threw a storm of bullets until he was fine hit in the hit. This isn't a damn zombie movie.

Has to be somewhere in the middle where the officer approached Brown. Maybe he panicked knowing he just committed a theft so he does something rash like punching the officer in the face, slamming the his door back on him as he's trying to exit or threaten him in some other way. As he is trying to flee the scene the enraged officer fires off at Brown like a dumbass. And Probably meaning to inflict some serious damage which is present by the bullet wound to the head.

Ah, the gentle giant argument.

 

[block tower]

this whole situation will probably be something of past problems ten years from now when people likely will have wearable tech like google glass on. seeing events from Browns and Wilson's perspectives from video recording devices would be such a good way to make these incidents cut and dry.

 

[EatinOlives]

When does Obama's briefing start? I see they said 4 PM Eastern but I don't see anything on the Whitehouse.gov stream?

 

[Xcellere]

Because I default to authority.

So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Here is another main problem with the story that Wilson was getting hit. If he was being pummeled that bad, why is there no mention of bruising on mikes arms or hands.

So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

Thanks for the kind words.

 

[ced]

this whole situation will probably be something of past problems ten years from now when people likely will have wearable tech like google glass on. seeing events from Browns and Wilson's perspectives from video recording devices would be such a good way to make these incidents cut and dry.

I hope audio/video recording devices are mandated on officers after this.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is some recording of this that just hasn't been publicized yet.

 

[abuC]

this whole situation will probably be something of past problems ten years from now when people likely will have wearable tech like google glass on. seeing events from Browns and Wilson's perspectives from video recording devices would be such a good way to make these incidents cut and dry.

Not really, Oscar Grant was shot while handcuffed and the cop only did 11 months even though they had it on video.

 

[CrankyJay]

So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

This is unnecessary.

 

[BronsonLee]

Yeah, this makes sense the more I think about it. I'd like to be a badass that can make those sort of shots tho, if I were absolutely forced to ever using a gun.

I'm going to assume you're relatively young here.

The expertise and marksmanship you'd require to make those kind of shots takes years upon years of practice/training. And a lot of it does not apply to real life situations, but competitions/tournaments.

So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

This was highly unnecessary.

Here is another main problem with the story that Wilson was getting hit. If he was being pummeled that bad, why is there no mention of bruising on mikes arms or hands.

The only thing I can think of is Wilson tripping and hitting his face, or Brown slamming the car door back in his face. If there's no bruising on the hands, he definitely didn't hit him.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

No. How could you possibly come to that conclusion? The poster, in capital letters, was insinuating that it was not likely that he was charging the officer because of slippers. I replied how did he run away? Did he take his slippers off?

I promise I'll discuss abuC's post, but first off, let's say you somehow refute the point he's making. What then? Does his ability to run in slippers change the multiple eyewitness testimonies that Brown had turned around, was kneeling and with his arms up when he was killed? Like, does this one point of contention you have have any significance in this case?

 

[linsivvi]

Has to be somewhere in the middle

Do you work for CNN?

Everything is in the middle, folks. Nothing to be seen here.

 

[Gonzalez]

So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

Wow, were you captain of your debate team.

 

[Lime]

I apologize if this was already posted:

 

[Rembrandt]

So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

Don't worry, I'm not gonna condemn you for this post.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

WHOA.

This doesn't mean they will issue the true bill that day, but it is encouraging. I would expect them to hear from at least the two female witnesses. I would take this to mean that the FBI has finished their canvassing of potential witnesses as well. I'd prefer this to be conducted by a special prosecutor, not the county prosecutor.

 

[abuC]

I apologize if this was already posted:

Supposedly It's not a race issue though..

 

[Timedog]

If this was not a police officer and 4 eyewitnesses said what these eyewitnesses have said, the shooter would be charged. Why is the testimony of a police officer worth more than so many eye witnesses? Cause cops can't lie or be corrupt or make misjudgements? Yeah fucking right.

 

[demosthenes]

This is unnecessary.

Very.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I'm going to assume you're relatively young here.

The expertise and marksmanship you'd require to make those kind of shots takes years upon years of practice/training. And a lot of it does not apply to real life situations, but competitions/tournaments.



This was highly unnecessary.



The only thing I can think of is Wilson tripping and hitting his face, or Brown slamming the car door back in his face. If there's no bruising on the hands, he definitely didn't hit him.

And if it was the door, or tripping, that definitely doesn't jive with self defense since it's not a sustained beating IMO.

The bruising from being the attacker needs to be discussed more IMO. Thsts a huge thing.

 

[Saint Gregory]

The only thing I can think of is Wilson tripping and hitting his face, or Brown slamming the car door back in his face. If there's no bruising on the hands, he definitely didn't hit him.

I still have it read it anywhere but this is what I was told Dorian Johnson said happened.

 

[Kathian]

Whats a crew when its defined?

 

[Agnostic]

POTUS press conference:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/pres...e-update-iraq-and-situation-ferguson-missouri