Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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He didn't get too far did he?

You want me to believe he started running at the cop in slippers, dodging gunfire along the way, in some slippers?

Or that after the cop had fired from inside the cop, Mike stops after being shot in the arm, only to turn around and say "You not gonna shoot" then running at the cop...in some slippers?

Stop jumping to conclusions and calm down with the .gifs.

In my previous post in this thread I laid out how the concentration of the fire was located around the right collar bone indicating that his right arm was raised near his head. I also stated that due to his height (6'4") and the location of the kill shot at the crown of his head, he was bent over went shot.

If you want me to give my honest opinion, I'll do it. I honestly believe he was walking towards the officer or in the action of turning clockwise towards the officer, not running towards him. The officer shot him causing him to lurch forward and favor his right side in front of him (as indicated by the location of radius of shots on the right side of his body). When the officer shot the victim, his initial reaction was to flinch and bring his arm up near his face for cover while the other shots came in.
 
Where did this "rushing the cop" thing even start? I know it happen after the autopsy showed that wound on his head but who actually started that theory?Was it Fox News?

I really don't understand how that theory makes any sense. Unless I am totally not understanding something, is the line of events basically the cop and Brown got into an altercation near the police car, brown ran away when he failed to get the gun, the cop shot at Brown, and then Brown suddenly decided to turn around and charge at the police officer?

Who the fuck would do that? Flee from a gun, then decide to rush towards the gun when you are 30 feet away? Makes perfect sense!
 
And if it was the door, or tripping, that definitely doesn't jive with self defense since it's not a sustained bearing IMO.

The bruising from being the attacker needs to be discussed more IMO. Thsts a huge thing.

The report from this morning of Brown's body showed no signs of a struggle.
 
This doesn't mean they will issue the true bill that day, but it is encouraging. I would expect them to hear from at least the two female witnesses. I would take this to mean that the FBI has finished their canvassing of potential witnesses as well. I'd prefer this to be conducted by a special prosecutor, not the county prosecutor.

It wouldn't surprise me if a special prosecutor is assigned. That way the county prosecutor can wash his hands of this part.

If this was not a police officer and 4 eyewitnesses said what these eyewitnesses have said, the shooter would be charged. Why is the testimony of a police officer worth more than so many eye witnesses? Cause cops can't lie or be corrupt or make misjudgements? Yeah fucking right.

For some intangible reason (loyalty/sympathy/idunno), cops focus more on the pre-charge part of the process when cops are involved in a crime, vs the trial part. They're very thorough, moreso than normal.
 
What the hell is going on in the White House stream? Two people talking at the same time and a bunch of yelling.

Edit: Never mind, Obama is on now. Seemed like it was glitching or something.
 
So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

I think you're bringing a hellfire missile to a stick fight, bro.
 
So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.

Looks like you picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
 
So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.
Serve him up on that ignore list, McEnroe
 
Stop jumping to conclusions and calm down with the .gifs.

In my previous post in this thread I laid out how the concentration of the fire was located around the right collar bone indicating that his right arm was raised near his head. I also stated that due to his height (6'4") and the location of the kill shot at the crown of his head, he was bent over went shot.

You also said none of the eyewitnesses recounted that brown was kneeling.
 
The original police report written by another cop mentions it. Then there's a mention overhead during a filming of a scene. About 6 minutes in here

Supposedly it's the officers account.

There is this video that captures a guy who is recounting what he saw in the background at about 6 mins in, in which he says the cop chased Brown, then Brown turned around and started coming at the officer. It's pretty hard to hear and I wouldn't trust the transcript of it from a shitty site, but it's still interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM#t=70

Ah thank you guys I haven't seen this before. I do hear the one guy saying he came back towards the cop.. so strange... I can't fathom why on earth he would ever do that.
 
So you're one of those obedient, mindless, soulless conformists who like the thinking to be done for you. Thank you for pointing that out so I know that zero critical thinking has been put into any of your posts and that they should be summarily ignored.

People like you are disgusting, abhorrent excuses of human beings. You have no compassion, no rationality, no concept of what it means to be decent. Unfortunately your type pollutes the discussion with passive aggressive mentions of implausible alternatives that seek to discredit the reputation of dead 18 year-old.

Stay classy, stay ignorant, and above all please stay away from the keyboard. The world will be a better place without your input.
What the hell? Get this crap out of here.
 
And if it was the door, or tripping, that definitely doesn't jive with self defense since it's not a sustained beating IMO.

The bruising from being the attacker needs to be discussed more IMO. Thsts a huge thing.

Pretty much. If I could be allowed to speculate, it wouldn't surprise me if Wilson was trying to get out, Brown pushed the door back out on him, and Wilson tripped at some point. Edit: Maybe while getting out of the car?

I still have it read it anywhere but this is what I was told Dorian Johnson said happened.

To do the amount of damage that they're claiming, he would've had to have hit him dead on, too. Very odd.

Then thsts definitely a red flag.

There's a large amount of them. It's like Minesweeper!
 
And if it was the door, or tripping, that definitely doesn't jive with self defense since it's not a sustained beating IMO.

The bruising from being the attacker needs to be discussed more IMO. Thsts a huge thing.

The only thing is bruising takes time to develop. If you are dead within a minute after the bruising event, it may not show up without more blood flow. Scrapes and cuts would though.
 
Here is another main problem with the story that Wilson was getting hit. If he was being pummeled that bad, why is there no mention of bruising on mikes arms or hands.

the main problem with the theory of Brown assaulting Wilson is that it assumes there's a reason Brown would have wanted to assault Wilson. lets say for the sake of argument that both Brown and Wilson struggled at Wilson's squad car; why would Brown start pummeling Wilson? what would be the end goal of beating up a cop? it just doesn't make any sense that Brown would assault Wilson, there's no end goal for Brown that would benefit him. so the idea that Wilson feared for his life because Brown might have beat him bad seems like a made up story to make it more relatable to the Trayvon Martin case.
 
Pretty much. If I could be allowed to speculate, it wouldn't surprise me if Wilson was trying to get out, Brown pushed the door back out him, and Wilson tripped at some point.



To do the amount of damage that they're claiming, he would've had to have hit him dead on, too. Very odd.



There's a large amount of them. It's like Minesweeper!


That definitely sounds plausible. Man I've said it before, but holy shit do those police cams need to be mandated.

The only thing is bruising takes time to develop. If you are dead within a minute after the bruising event, it may not show up without more blood flow. Scrapes and cuts would though.


There should still be some type of bruising at least I would think.
 
That definitely sounds plausible. Man I've said it before, but holy shit do those police cams need to be mandated.

Pretty much. I really hope situations like this accelerate the adoption of that policy.

Dorian Johnson said that the officer forcefully pushed the door opened, it hit Brown and bounced back and hit the officer. Not that Brown slammed the door on the officer.

...Is this the 3 stooges?

Also, Attorney General Eric Holder is traveling to Ferguson on Wednesday, per Obama.
 
the main problem with the theory of Brown assaulting Wilson is that it assumes there's a reason Brown would have wanted to assault Wilson. lets say for the sake of argument that both Brown and Wilson struggled at Wilson's squad car; why would Brown start pummeling Wilson? what would be the end goal of beating up a cop? it just doesn't make any sense that Brown would assault Wilson, there's no end goal for Brown that would benefit him. so the idea that Wilson feared for his life because Brown might have beat him bad seems like a made up story to make it more relatable to the Trayvon Martin case.


I said it before, and it's an unpopular line of thought, but he may have attacked because he feared a felony arrest. And you're right, this self defense shooting is pretty much in line with the TM shooting.
 
Pretty much. I really hope situations like this accelerate the adoption of that policy.



...Is this the 3 stooges?

Also, Attorney General Eric Holder is traveling to Ferguson on Wednesday, per Obama.

Those rubber doors though. I believe he said it made the officer "a little upset".
 
I think you should look over the current information out there and reconvene. The autopsy does nothing but raise questions/put pressure on Wilson to account for what happened.

Considering the media highly reported the smokescreens as such, it's also unlikely a judge/jury would care.

I dont know man, just as a guy who's been "on both sides" of the law so to say I dont trust any of them..

Even as a white dude growing up in public housing around the Camden/Trenton NJ area I was a victim of and saw countless acts of unnecessary violence used against minor things go unpunished and looked at as common place.

Ive been choked slammed for an empty nickel bag, spent countless times face down on dirty streets or puddles for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, been smacked and told my mom was going in for interference with an investigation cause she was yelling all cause I gave a dude a cigarette which they thought was drugs.
And guns drawn...for stupid shit. I'll never forget having being 14 and two cops approach the car, guns out, cause my buddy ran a stop sign.

On the same side of the coin...I worked as a janitor at the County Courts/Sheriffs Department.
I listens to them sulk cause a person in court got out of hand and they missed out on the dog pile ass kicking the attending officers dished out.
All the 20-30 year old meat head dudes who were jacked out of their mind and conversations revolved around "The gym, guns, beating someone's ass"

To top this all off my wife's boss is married to a head detective in our local town...and, wow, the stories of putting someone's head through a window, throat chops, slamming people, etc..
All laughed off like a good old time.

Its an absolute power, and its corrupting.

So many of these guys, Ive met, live for violence...long for it...prepare for it..and revel in it.
 
Dorian Johnson said that the officer forcefully pushed the door opened, it hit Brown and bounced back and hit the officer. Not that Brown slammed the door on the officer.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

And I listened to the video and the guy is saying the Mike was going back to the officer. It doesn't say anything about him running back or rushing him from what I can hear (I don't have it super loud though, I'm still at work). That still could be consistent with him surrendering and walking back to turn himself in as opposed to this bull rush story.
 
Those rubber doors though. I believe he said it made the officer "a little upset".

This might get me in trouble, but alas.
I'm honestly starting to wonder how much of this is race related, and how much of it is related to Wilson:

Being embarrassed & upset by having his own door slam on himself, then trip
Not wanting to let an alleged criminal get away(?)
Being improperly trained in regards to guns
Being fucking insane
 
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