Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Fiction said:
I don't know that that has been confirmed at all, though. Were any officers actually shot? I know there are reports of civilians shot but I am not sure that has been confirmed either. Some journalists are saying the saw fireworks, some are saying they heard live rounds. How is that downplaying anything?
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Fox News has been running with the molotive cocktails and 30+ shots being fired by protestors all day long.

Proof? Who needs proof? Not us.

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Fiction said:
I am not ignoring that there have been a ton of problems with elements in the crowds causing problems.

This is actually the first I heard of a group of people trying to attack the command center, though. Any media verification on that?

Also, with the media being kept out of critical areas, and the cops kinda having a history of lying to cover their own asses, I am not taking much of what they say as cold hard fact at the moment.

I thought a woman was shot like, two nights ago? Different woman?
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Why do you think the national guard is there? Its not to protect the people from cops, its to protect the cops.

edit: do you believe the governor?

"Tonight, a day of hope, prayers, and peaceful protests was marred by the violent criminal acts of an organized and growing number of individuals, many from outside the community and state, whose actions are putting the residents and businesses of Ferguson at risk. I join the people of Ferguson, and all Missourians, in strongly condemning this criminal activity that included firing upon law enforcement officers, shooting a civilian, throwing Molotov cocktails, looting, and a coordinated attempt to block roads and overrun the Unified Command Center. These violent acts are a disservice to the family of Michael Brown and his memory, and to the people of this community who yearn for justice to be served, and to feel safe in their own homes. Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard to assist Colonel Ron Replogle and the Unified Command in restoring peace and order to this community."
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Flo_Evans said:
Sit in downtown at governors office:

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I always wonder how people protesting during the day can take the time off of work. Obviously not everyone works a 9-5 but I mean how do these guys do it? Just take a vacation day to fight for your rights? Quite noble, I'm not being condescending.
 
El Odio said:
What is the purpose of getting into the government building? What on earth are they planning on doing?
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Taking over government buildings is part of the long history of protesting in America. In Vietnam, protesters took over campus offices, student centers, and campus draft registration centers. The Black Panthers marched into the California State House carrying rifles. Hell, the country ostensibly began when Bostonians boarded government ships and threw government tea into the bay.
 
silkysmooth said:
i don't know why he's holding back. the ones that would flip out if he said it already hate his guts and think he's a muslim from Kenya.
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Because he's a leader, and he is rightfully not tossing gas on the blaze, or wanting to influence the investigation or a future trial of the officer.
 
Fiction said:
...which a lot of people have expressed bafflement at, because the cops have mostly been the aggressors in this whole thing?

Did I miss something last night where there was a whole mess of media being able to report on these sudden attacks on the cops that justify calling in the national guard?

Edit: The Governor? Nope, at this point unless it's actually on film, I ain't believing shit. The riots, the looting, yes, those things are happening unfortunately, and seem to be caused mostly by people outside the community. An attack on the command center? I was watching last night the shit Vice had to do to get in and out of the area, it was insane. I doubt anyone would be able to get close enough to attack anyone.
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I'm guessing they called the national guard, because they're pulling the curfew. Reinforcements and such.
 
Fiction said:
This is actually the first I heard of a group of people trying to attack the command center, though. Any media verification on that?
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Last night CNN reported that protesters advanced on the command center and would not back up. That is what started the tear gas last night.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Interesting tight rope performance by Obama there, blatantly insinuating the criminal justice system isn't fair without outright saying it. If you're expecting him or any president to definitively state that the system is inherently racist you're going to be disappointing, but this is the second time I've seen Obama come close to saying it.

I have full confidence in Eric Holder on this matter so it's hard to complain overall.
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Did Obama give another speech?
 
I heard nothing about a plan to attack or overrun the command center. Only a peaceful group that wanted to approach it and chant "hands up, don't shoot." They never got that chance.
 
Fiction said:
...which a lot of people have expressed bafflement at, because the cops have mostly been the aggressors in this whole thing?

Did I miss something last night where there was a whole mess of media being able to report on these sudden attacks on the cops that justify calling in the national guard?

Edit: The Governor? Nope, at this point unless it's actually on film, I ain't believing shit. The riots, the looting, yes, those things are happening unfortunately, and seem to be caused mostly by people outside the community. An attack on the command center? I was watching last night the shit Vice had to do to get in and out of the area, it was insane. I doubt anyone would be able to get close enough to attack anyone.
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I'm not sure what exactly you think is going on, people down here are not flashing gang sign ironically. There was widespread violence last night:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/national-guard-called-after-more-ferguson-chaos.html
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I think his speech went over a lot of people's heads. Im talking to my cousin right now and he's pissed that obama said nothing.
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Yeah I'm getting opposite reactions to this speech on my Twitter feed from people who have the same understanding of the events, that was weird. Glad I could read it here.
 
EatinOlives said:
There was some important reading-between-the-lines here that needed to be done, guys. What he's saying is this is all arising from centuries of institutionalized racism, that minorities are treated much more harshly in the criminal justice system and that younger people in these impoverished areas can't even get out because they're frequently stuck in a revolving door of criminal justice.

He's saying these aren't problems unique to Ferguson PD, and that this racism is a viewpoint shared across the nation through all stages of life. He's also saying he's been trying to combat this since before he was president.

He also said in his prepared statement that he has to speak the way he's speaking about this because there's still an ongoing federal investigation of this and his statements would be seen as forcing the DoJ's hand one way or another.

I don't think he rambled, and I don't think he said "a whole bunch of nothing". He had some pretty strong ideas, just worded them in a way for the typical Fox News viewer to not understand them so easily.

EDIT: With what he said today I don't think there's any chance that there'll be foul play in the DoJ investigation. I don't think he'd let it happen.
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A lot in this thread are skipping over this. Great post.
 
Its really bizarre how there were so many journalists covering the protests last night and yet there's no video footage supporting the PD's claim that there were a bunch of molotovs being thrown at the police line.
 
Gaz_RB said:
You don't think there's a problem with white PR people representing a white local government representing a predominantly black community?
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I do. Their interests and perspectives don't align at all. It reminds me of studies that find that having at least one black person on an otherwise all-white jury leads to less wrongful convictions and more empathy for the person charged of a crime. Diversity just has better results. Don't simply this as being about quotas = bad there all-white PR firm is okay.
 
ProtoCents said:
I always wonder how people protesting during the day can take the time off of work. Obviously not everyone works a 9-5 but I mean how do these guys do it? Just take a vacation day to fight for your rights? Quite noble, I'm not being condescending.
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well, thats how you put on fights for rights. you go out of your routine is number one.
and face the consequences if you have to.
 
Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
Its really bizarre how there were so many journalists covering the protests last night and yet there's no video footage supporting the PD's claim that there were a bunch of molotovs being thrown at the police line.
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From my understanding the media is being sequestered basically into a media zone mostly well away from anything happening and anyone who tries to go out and report is/was being attacked/arrested as well. Afterall, most of them will stand in line since they know they will be targeted too, like the Al Jazeera reporters were.
 
There's something to be said about hiring a PR firm that has absolutely no people of color working for it in a situation that's very obviously about instutionalized racism.

With that said, I think there are more important things to be talking about right now.
 
block tower said:
why is this an issue? people are getting too sucked into the race angle. its not all a conspiracy lol.
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I think it's because the town is like 70% black. It's kind of weird to have an all white PR firm try to represent a town that's almost all black. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but it does show major disconnect. I doubt any of them actually live in Ferguson either.
 
pompidu said:
So your saying the need to hire a pr firm thats only black people?

Or are you saying its insentive to hire white people to represnt the town?
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No to the first question. Yes, insensitive to hire all-white PR reps in a town that's by and large represented and run by white people.
 
I think it's pretty damning that the police department needs a PR team in the first place because it shows they lack the capacity to communicate with the people whom their supposed to be serving.
 
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