block tower
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so whens it legal for the people to bust back?
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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so whens it legal for the people to bust back?
Big Baybee
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Riding through neighborhoods gassing everything giving no fucks.
Angelus Errare
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How is that not an apt description? They're fucking bullies/clowns/assholes
NEOPARADIGM
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Please enlighten me. Not sarcasm.
Fair enough. I probably worded it wrong. Either way this can't stand.
Devolution
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What obvious reason?
I'm sure there are worse words.
The public (and the press orgs) are ignoring the press being rough handled already and multiple shootings across the country against unarmed civilians. If you think these issues and the fact the government is spying on everyone is not connected to the race issue I think you are wrong.
Truth is the public apathy towards these events is because they are fine with them as long as they do not affect them; in fact the public are happier this is going on that the 'chaos' of anyone being able to hold authoritarian figures in the country to account.
Minorities are just more sensitive because they are more often facing its brunt; but the underlying issue comes down to a state that is aggressively and violently opposed to be held to account.
I still can not believe they are walking about with military backpacks on; who policies in a backpack? Are they going on a walk?
"Criminals" would be more appropriate than calling police "clowns".
Aaron Strife
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How else are they going to keep freedom in check?
We the people have to be kept in line, you know we are always acting up! There's just hordes of us on the edge, ready to cause trouble at any moment.
Those cops are the only ones keeping the peace. With force. It's a good system I think.
Garcia Hotspur
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No, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you really insinuating this isn't a racial issue? The image of a majority group of peaceful black protestors being aimed at with semiautomatic rifles by a majority of white police officers was such a powerful image that it brought me to tears. That is my only point. It beautifully summed up the hideous injustice that minorities face against law enforcement in America in a single image.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Devolution
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I'm rereading Chalmers Johnson and watching some of his talks and it's just damn. He talked about how our run away militarism will eventually destroy our domestic democracy. Just watching this week is like "welp."
When legal options have run out and we are not even close to that and never will be. Speaking of, where the fuck is the ACLU?
block tower
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at what point is it considered reasonable then? seems like its getting to that point.
looks like the cops are on the right path of domestic terrorism in Ferguson, just a few escalations away.
Deified Data
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What are police doing while off-camera that you think their superiors and civilian oversight shouldn't be allowed to see?
everyday math
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Thats whats bothering you most in that vid??
FamousLastX
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Hopefully those journalists waiting for the press briefing are able to get this information about the neighborhood being tear gassed, and ask about it. Will be interesting to hear what excuse they make up tonight for their actions down there.
everyday math
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What does that have to do with anything pertaining to that video?
ErasureAcer
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When Ron Johnson spoke earlier that's exactly the spin he was telling CNN. "We didn't do nothing one night and they looted.
He went on to add: "Do you really expect me to go up to a bush where there's someone crouched down and expect us to investigate? That's putting my officer's life in danger."
Dudes are fucking cowards. They're treating the protesters as a group. If anyone does something they don't like they harm them all. They have basically crosses the terrorist line...holding the entire populace hostage for a bad apple hear or there. Fuck em.
I think you are trying to be facetious, but this really isn't the thread for it. Tensions are high. Quite a few perm bans over these pages.
Just a friendly warning.
smokeandmirrors
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it's really up for society to decide that one. There is no singular point where something becomes unreasonable. It could be something like what's going down, or it could be when there's a case where cops kill protesters. It's how far we are willing to let it go as a whole.
I would assume because its possible that some people who aren't with the police force have guns and weapons, so the police would ideally like to protect their own lives as well? But, I'm not from the states, and don't know their gun control laws in all seriousness.
Such a messed up situation that was very poorly handled by the police force though. I don't really blame the police force themselves, just the management and whoever is in charge of deciding how to handle such a tenuous situation. That is, assuming certain reports are true, but at this point, I don't really know exactly what's going on there.
@WesleyLowery: As I think back about tonight, one specific scene/contrast stuck in my head
@WesleyLowery: As the second round of tear gas canisters hit Canfield - unbearable and thick - those preparing to fight cops ran forward
@WesleyLowery: As they did, the yelled at photogs who were there. Did not threaten, but made clear they were unwelcome to document attempts to burn store
@WesleyLowery: For safety, I moved backward. As I did, a girl in her late teens/early 20s grabbed my arm...
@WesleyLowery: "Are you leaving? Please don't leave. PLEASE! What if they shoot us? You have to be here to tell people" she told me & a photog
@WesleyLowery: On several nights that's been expressed to me: the desperate desire from residents who assume police will kill them for media to document
I have no doubt the streets would be full of dead people if not for the press being there.
Same thing as Brown robbing a store and the office who killed him not knowing about.
The people who gassed him didn't know he was on pot.
Wait that doesn't matter?
oh
"WHAT DO YOU WANT? FOR US TO DO OUR JOB?"
ryutaro's mama
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Exactly.
I read that sentiment all over the internet from people. THEY can't act right. THEY need to act civilized. That is how THEY are. THEY can't be helped. THEY are a lost cause.
All Black people = THEY (in their eyes, we are all part of the same collective group)
Ever think that if you say and treat a group of people like they are a lost cause, it shouldn't be surprising when certain segments of that group start buying into that thought process?
I have maintained and still maintain that Black people have never wanted preferential treatment--just equal treatment to our White peers.
We get it dude. You know about guns.
No one is surprised that a grenade launcher is used to fire grenades. We are surprised cops are shooting grenades.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Instead, let's threaten to kill the press.
We're the frog sitting in boiling water. We passed the point when it was reasonable many times already.
The complete eradication of the 4th amendment with wholesale data collection on the entire world through the NSA would have been a great time. All these people talking on twitter have their shit stored and cataloged. Anyone texting in Ferguson about anything angry will have their shit cataloged and analyzed, automatically by supercomputers.
It's way too far gone already. They are already armed with military grade weapons and training, and have full spectrum surveillance capability.
Citizens United was the other time it was reasonable. Most people are aware that our lawmakers are literally able to be legally bribed, and they pretty much just do what their donors dictate now.
Any rational society would have revolted when it became clear that the government is not going to act on global warming. It's going to destroy the world as we know it, pretty soon.
MorisUkunRasik
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At some point you kinda have to expect some group of people to start taking extreme actions against the out of control police force. I hope someone steps in and settles things down before that happens.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why is the discussion here so one-sided? Two people were reportedly shot with real live bullets tonight and it wasn't from the police.
It's simply not enough to say if the cops would just give it up everything would be cool.
It's simply not enough to say if the cops would just give it up everything would be cool.
Speedy Blue Dude
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The dude is wearing a wristband with that on it?
It's not a major issue, nor one that distracts from the police brutality that is completely unwarranted. Police have no right to tear gas the dude for peaceful protesting, nor anyone else.
No, but it bothers me when people brag about supporting illegal activities like its something worth bragging about.
It caught me eye, nothing major.
Just a small pet peeve. Good Jon Missouri.
Those people hiding in the bushes are likely hiding from teargas and rubber bullets already. Why not just leave them be? Someone hiding in a bush isn't a threat.
HuskerDutheDu
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The best way to keep a story under wraps is by threatening the press. They love that.
Devolution
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It could be argued the strong arming by the police has come to this.
ryutaro's mama
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How do we know who shot anything?
I am not giving these cops the benefit of doubt at all, in anything.
Exactly.
Pragmatically, when all other methods fail. Ultimately though, it's never wrong for the oppressed to defend themselves whenever they choose to.
The reason the people behind these attacks keep showing up is because the cops continue to provide these moments of tension where an attack on one person can lead into a mass riot.
ErasureAcer
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Probably will never hear the actual amount of those "Detained." Remember under George W. Bush and further by Obama...you can be detained indefinitely.
Nappuccino
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I suppose it's because the police are handling this so poorly that that response seems reasonable by comparison.
(this is not a serious post, for the record)
Devolution
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The cops are seeing everyone as a potential threat because they've set up the board this way. It's fucking stupid.
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