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How many Molotovs have actually hurt the police?

 

[Angelus Errare]

I live my life where I have friends of many races. I live my life where I respect and treat everyone as equal. The various types of racism can hurt anyone, of ANY race when it happens to them, so we need to evolve past that. You should feel that way because it's going to take everyone to view something together to fix it, and not that it hurts someone of a different skin color more than others either, bud. And maybe we can finally fully remove it from our society.



Yes, I have friends and co-workers who are a "minority" and talked about it.

How upset would you be if you saw a pic of a Black American officer doing the same thing to the same race of people, or are they converted? When I see a Black American officer taking a White American into custody, I usually think "I wonder what crime that guy did", not "it's racism".

Calling me sheltered, then basically saying ALL LEOs (ALL) treat other races unfairly insults me personally because I was never racist. But when I read "racism is institutionalized", I should have probably moved on.

Anyways, I hope tomorrow settles down, for ALL sides.

You're pretty sheltered, having black friends doesn't really make you not sheltered (fuck, I used a double negative).

 

[Sophia]

Well this is a bit of backtracking from posters saying there was only one molotov on the first night and none since then.

For what it's worth I've personally only seen one verified account of a molotov being thrown, and that was back when I first started watching these. I left a bit of wiggle room in my post incase someone wanted to correct me.

I didn't see any last night, or tonight, that's for sure.

How many Molotovs have actually hurt the police? Seems like the mere sight of one enables them to go balls off regardless of the danger.

As far as I can tell? .... none? Tonight they had glass/water bottles thrown at them, but I didn't see any molotovs between the streams and tweets. It is, of course, entirely possible that I missed something.

 

[Indicate]

Hopefully there are journalists still out there at this time still filming the battlefield

 

[ErasureAcer]

They may be doing a shitty time, but I can't imagine any of the officers are used to this kind of media scrutiny, attention, and conditions. I'm not going to mock this Johnson for trying to do his job. He may have really been starting to cry. These people are humans too. They may be a masked representation of all you hate, but there are people under those masks and that gear trying to work their jobs.

The cop that killed Michael Brown deserves to be punished in a real court. It's kind of shitty to treat these people trying to answer these questions like they are the scum of the Earth.

I hope these events cause changes that improve the quality of law enforcement and that these events promote and achieve passing legislations that fixes inequalities that exist in the system, but it's hard sitting here watching Johnson talking and pouring his emotions out to be called a liar who's faking tears.

Things have been really shitty, and there is a lot of poor treatment of the protestors, but I don't understand why the police would continue to do this shit for no reason. It only draws more scrutiny and criticism on the city and the state. I sincerely hope the protestors can let their word be heard without violence from the police or the troublemakers who are creating issues for the world to film and witness. I understand where Johnson is coming from.

There is also no excuse for what the police did to the peaceful protestors who were out there doing nothing wrong all these nights. It's a shitty solution to a minor problem that is merely a traffic issue when people are standing in the street. I don't want to sound like an apologist, but it seems like everyone is waiting for anarchy and bad shit to go down. I just want people to protest freely and peacefully without controversies over whether guns were fired by citizens or bottles were thrown by citizens during the after hours.

Don't not do your job and then whine about how people who are in the same job as you now hate you for it. Fucker should be fired.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I live my life where I have friends of many races. I live my life where I respect and treat everyone as equal. The various types of racism can hurt anyone, of ANY race when it happens to them, so we need to evolve past that. You should feel that way because it's going to take everyone to view something together to fix it, and not that it hurts someone of a different skin color more than others either, bud. And maybe we can finally fully remove it from our society.

"I have minority friends so..."

LOL

Yes, I have friends and co-workers who are a "minority" and talked about it.

How upset would you be if you saw a pic of a Black American officer doing the same thing to the same race of people, or are they converted? When I see a Black American officer taking a White American into custody, I usually think "I wonder what crime that guy did", not "it's racism".

Calling me sheltered, then basically saying ALL LEOs (ALL) treat other races unfairly insults me personally because I was never racist. But when I read "racism is institutionalized", I should have probably moved on.

Ah, reminds us again, in the same post about his "minority" friends...guess what? I have female friends of all races...doesn't make me an expert on women's issues because I hear about them. Somethings you kinda have to experience first hand to get. Case in point. I have never feared walking to my car late at night that someone might try and assault and rape but by your logic, EVERYONE gets assaulted equally so it a-ok. -______-

Oh, right...Black officers Too.

You are sheltered with a specifically privileged world view. It is what it is.

 

[gogosox82]

Detain is different than arrest. Especially in a post 9/11 US.

Edit: and no I'm not saying it's okay to do that to journalists.

Detain or arrest, the message is clear. Your trying to control the message buy shutting the media out either by creating "free speech zones" or by detaining and even arresting them.

 

[thepotatoman]

ONCE AGAIN, they won't arrest him until after an investigation and a grand jury has been completed since it was an on-the-job incident.

The prosecutor presenting the case to the grand jury publically stated the change in the police chief was a disgrace to the police dept.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_0806541b-ed48-5d06-9267-323531ad6cf1.html

“It's shameful what he did today, he had no legal authority to do that," McCulloch said. "To denigrate the men and women of the county police department is shameful."

And Eric Holder doesn't seem to plan on really having the federal government do that much in their investigation.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/August/14-ag-844.html

"The federal investigation will supplement, rather than supplant, the inquiry by local authorities."

There's really no hope of him ever being arrested. None at all. It doesn't matter whether he was justified or not, he would not be arrested either way and because of that fact there's no chance for the truth to ever come out about this.

That's why there's a problem, and that problem is right now.

Appointing a special prosecutor would actually go a long damn way of calming things down right away. Many of the protestors in the Vice streams have said as much. But they won't even do that.

 

[JABEE]

Don't not do your job and then whine about how people who are in the same job as you now hate you for it. Fucker should be fired.

They shouldn't be arresting journalists. I'm okay with them moving journalists or people filming the protests if they are blocking the paths of emergency services or are interrupting police doing their job apprehending someone committing a crime. It seems like it's a lot less of that tonight. It appears that from the reports that the police have a general disdain for people recording in general. That's a shitty, unethical practice.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Don't not do your job and then whine about how people who are in the same job as you now hate you for it. Fucker should be fired.

Seeing the vitriol in your posts is mind boggling to me. You really believe that every single cop is an animal? You believe Ron Johnson wanted to see his own community businesses be destroyed? That he doesn't care about what's going on?

It's not his job to arrest Wilson. His only job is maintaining peace and security and I honestly don't know how he can do it at this point. He clearly doesn't want to shut down peaceful protest but when they get hijacked by the violent few it is his job to respond to that.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

They shouldn't be arresting journalists. I'm okay with them moving journalists or people filming the protests if they are blocking the paths of emergency services or are interrupting police doing their job apprehending someone committing a crime. It seems like it's a lot less of that tonight. It appears that from the reports that the police have a general disdain for people recording in general. That's a shitty, unethical practice.

In LA, like 50% of the dash recording antennas went mysteriously "missing" on their cruisers. These thugs want to be able to terrorize with their "sworn testimonies" serving as the only evidence.

 

[devilhawk]

Appointing a special prosecutor would actually go a long damn way of calming things down right away. Many of the protestors in the Vice streams have said as much. But they won't even do that.

That wasn't really the point of my post. The point was that even in the event they want to arrest the officer they need to go through things like a grand jury. These are things that take time and don't apply to most other arrests.

 

[CorvoSol]

Part of me does feel bad for Johnson on the grounds that the man was pretty obviously thrown to the wolves tonight and that he'll not be living this down any time soon. I want to think he was trying to do the right thing at the start, and that his incompetent higher ups threw him to the fire when they couldn't think of an effective means to use the one thing they had right.

But I confess I don't feel very bad. My anger is less directed at him in particular and more the organization he represents.

 

[JABEE]

The prosecutor presenting the case to the grand jury publically stated the change in the police chief was a disgrace to the police dept.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_0806541b-ed48-5d06-9267-323531ad6cf1.html

And Eric Holder doesn't seem to plan on really having the federal government do that much in their investigation.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/August/14-ag-844.html

There's really no hope of him ever being arrested. None at all. It doesn't matter whether he was justified or not, he would not be arrested either way and because of that fact there's no chance for the truth to ever come out about this.

That's why there's a problem, and that problem is right now.

Appointing a special prosecutor would actually go a long damn way of calming things down right away. Many of the protestors in the Vice streams have said as much. But they won't even do that.

Eric Holder needs to take control of this shit. Sounds like the federal government is taking a back seat to this whole thing.

 

[block tower]

Seeing the vitriol in your posts is mind boggling to me. You really believe that every single cop is an animal? You believe Ron Johnson wanted to see his own community businesses be destroyed? That he doesn't care about what's going on?

It's not his job to arrest Wilson. His only job is maintaining peace and security and I honestly don't know how he can do it at this point. He clearly doesn't want to shut down peaceful protest but when they get hijacked by the violent few it is his job to respond to that.

no one is saying any of that, but people are pissed that there is an obvious "blue wall" atmosphere present in Ferguson.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Eric Holder needs to take control of this shit. Sounds like the federal government is taking a back seat to this whole thing.

Politically, it's the "smart" thing to do.

Morally, it fucking sucks.

 

[timetokill]

Damn this thread moves fast. Fiction, know that I saw your post and I get what you're saying. I just didn't like what seemed like equating pro-gun-rights people with racists. Seemed unfair. that said I didn't really follow the bundy ranch thing.

 

[JABEE]

In LA, like 50% of the dash recording antennas went mysteriously "missing" on their cruisers. These thugs want to be able to terrorize with their "sworn testimonies" serving as the only evidence.

If Wilson isn't charged after hearing the witness accounts and the third party autopsy findings, it will be a disgrace. There needs to be more accountability in all offices of government. That's a hard problem to solve.

 

[Devolution]

Damn this thread moves fast. Fiction, know that I saw your post and I get what you're saying. I just didn't like what seemed like equating pro-gun-rights people with racists. Seemed unfair. that said I didn't really follow the bundy ranch thing.

She's talking far right libertarian "don't take my gun" types who are silent or even cheering on the violence against minorities. Not pro-gun people.

 

[gogosox82]

I live my life where I have friends of many races. I live my life where I respect and treat everyone as equal. The various types of racism can hurt anyone, of ANY race when it happens to them, so we need to evolve past that. You should feel that way because it's going to take everyone to view something together to fix it, and not that it hurts someone of a different skin color more than others either, bud. And maybe we can finally fully remove it from our society.



Yes, I have friends and co-workers who are a "minority" and talked about it.

How upset would you be if you saw a pic of a Black American officer doing the same thing to the same race of people, or are they converted? When I see a Black American officer taking a White American into custody, I usually think "I wonder what crime that guy did", not "it's racism".

Calling me sheltered, then basically saying ALL LEOs (ALL) treat other races unfairly insults me personally because I was never racist. But when I read "racism is institutionalized", I should have probably moved on.

Also if 1 Molotov has been thrown, that's enough to warrant escalated awareness and force. There's no magical number of Molotov's that need to be thrown to use "x" force. We know multiple were used, and that's all that matters. If they don't have an exact number, who cares. lol.

Anyways, I hope tomorrow settles down, for ALL sides.

EDIT: I don't really like using the word, as once again that word is used in a different way that it's true meaning, a lesser population/demo, so I throw it in quotations. It's a quirk of mine. Once again, I have friends and co-workers of different color throughout my life, and I look at them no better nor worse than myself.

Just because you have black friends doesn't mean you understand what they go through. Have you actually talked about it to them about this? If not, I would question how good of friends you are with them. It seems you have lived a very sheltered life and haven't been made to think about things like institutional racism.

 

[B-Dubs]

Eric Holder needs to take control of this shit. Sounds like the federal government is taking a back seat to this whole thing.

If Holder takes charge then half the country will immediately turn against the protester's cause. It sucks, but its the truth. If you want any chance of dealing with the bigger issues involved then the administration can't get too involved.

 

[timetokill]

She's talking far right libertarian "don't take my gun" types who are silent or even cheering on the violence against minorities. Not pro-gun people.

Got it. I know some of those types. Really disgusting. Though most libertarians I know are against the cops, and often consider them a symbol of oppressive government force. A lot of "libertarian" people especially nowadays are Tea Party types who don't want the "Republican" tarnished branding and like one or two aspects of the philosophy (like strong support the 2nd amendment for example). It's not shocking that these types immediately show their true colors when an issue like this comes up.

I just think it's more helpful to not talk about anonymous people.

If someone wants to link to someone that is saying that, then make a comment about it, that's fine. It's still kind of slightly off topic, but at least I could know know what you guys mean.

Blanket statements about huge groups of people is not really helping anything though. I'm sure they're out there, but that's not everyone.

Agreed. Something I've seen multiple times is people saying "Where are these people?" like they're expecting them to do something. Silence can be damning too, but it also seems like finger-pointing into thin air. Let's stick to the topic at hand.

 

[Shinta]

She's talking far right libertarian "don't take my gun" types who are silent or even cheering on the violence against minorities. Not pro-gun people.

I just think it's more helpful to not talk about anonymous people.

If someone wants to link to someone that is saying that, then make a comment about it, that's fine. It's still kind of slightly off topic, but at least I could know know what you guys mean.

Blanket statements about huge groups of people is not really helping anything though. I'm sure they're out there, but that's not everyone.

 

[vagabondarts]

I just think it's more helpful to not talk about anonymous people.

If someone wants to link to someone that is saying that, then make a comment about it, that's fine. It's still kind of slightly off topic, but at least I could know know what you guys mean.

Blanket statements about huge groups of people is not really helping anything though. I'm sure they're out there, but that's not everyone.

Exactly. Thank you.

Getting fed up with the "Us vs Them" mindset that exists on both sides right now in Ferguson and in groups and cliques and political parties and movements all across this country which serve only one purpose; to divide us.

It's like all rational thought and objectivism flies out the window as long as your team wins. It's absolutely destructive.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If Wilson isn't charged after hearing the witness accounts and the third party autopsy findings, it will be a disgrace. There needs to be more accountability in all offices of government. That's a hard problem to solve.

That is my point. In the absence of indisputable evidence, an officer's "sworn testimony" carries more weight in court than eyewitness report so it is in their interest to make sure cameras aren't recording when they do their dirt.

Like those assholes that beat up a guy and pulled him out the car, charged him with assault on an officer and claimed he reached for his gun. They swore that it was the truth...until the dash cam footage was discovered by the defense and truth was revealed. Someone here on GAF posted it if I recall correctly.

 

[0xCA2]

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Soon after they deleted the tweet and apologized.

@CSIS
Our sincerest apologies to @Amnesty & our followers. Our last tweet was sent in error. We're reviewing internal policies for social media.

 

[J-Rzez]

Just because you have black friends doesn't mean you understand what they go through. Have you actually talked about it to them about this? If not, I would question how good of friends you are with them. It seems you have lived a very sheltered life and haven't been made to think about things like institutional racism.

Yes, I have actually. One of my closer friends unfortunately moved away for a job (making far more than me) and we kinda got separated which sucks as we played games, sports, drank, etc for years. But that's life.

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy. I'm not saying racism is completely gone, I'm just saying that we should have evolved beyond that by now, and how I view another person as equals. If I learned anything from my LE days as a fact to my suspicions, trash comes in every color.

Dude, you are sheltered and don't even realize it.

That is the very definition of privilege.

I really wish I had the benefit of that obliviousness...seriously.

I wish I was born into money and didn't have to work my ass off for what I got and what I want to do in life personally.

I don't think institutional racism means what you think it means.

Doesn't mean inequalities artificially imposed in various outlets, establishments, services, opportunities, and bodies based on one's race?

 

[B-Dubs]

Soon after they deleted the tweet and apologized.

Well, that intern got fired.

 

[everyday math]

Soon after they deleted the tweet and apologized.

Shame

 

[timetokill]

That is my point. In the absence of indisputable evidence, an officer's "sworn testimony" carries more weight in court than eyewitness report so it is in their interest to make sure cameras aren't recording when they do their dirt.

Like those assholes that beat up a guy and pulled him out the car, charged him with assault on an officer and claimed he reached for his gun. They swore that it was the truth...until the dash cam footage was discovered by the defense and truth was revealed. Someone here on GAF posted it if I recall correctly.

Yeah, it's amazing how much benefit of the doubt the police get and continue to get in court, despite such occurrences. Even when the story sounds outrageous.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yes, I have actually. One of my closer friends unfortunately moved away for a job and we kinda got separated which sucks as we played games, sports, drank, etc for years. But that's life.

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy. I'm not saying racism is completely gone, I'm just saying that we should have evolved beyond that by now, and how I view another person as equals. If I learned anything from my LE days as a fact to my suspicions, trash comes in every color.

Dude, you are sheltered and don't even realize it.

That is the very definition of privilege.

I really wish I had the benefit of that obliviousness...seriously.

 

[Funky Papa]

CSIS shitting on Amnesty's work is so hilariously sad.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Seeing the vitriol in your posts is mind boggling to me. You really believe that every single cop is an animal? You believe Ron Johnson wanted to see his own community businesses be destroyed? That he doesn't care about what's going on?

Take a look at the videos. Cops threatening violence against anyone who dare ask them a question or state that they "are on the sidewalk." I know Johnson shouldn't be whining about not doing his job. If a store is being burglarized...you protect it and apprehend the individuals. Stop with the idiocy please. I shouldn't have to repeat myself.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy.

You think this shit means anything?

 

[Devolution]

It's okay guys, he's not blind to minorities being places, means shit's all good.

 

[Thorakai]

Yes, I have actually. One of my closer friends unfortunately moved away for a job (making far more than me) and we kinda got separated which sucks as we played games, sports, drank, etc for years. But that's life.

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy. I'm not saying racism is completely gone, I'm just saying that we should have evolved beyond that by now, and how I view another person as equals. If I learned anything from my LE days as a fact to my suspicions, trash comes in every color.

I don't think institutional racism means what you think it means.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Yes, I have actually. One of my closer friends unfortunately moved away for a job (making far more than me) and we kinda got separated which sucks as we played games, sports, drank, etc for years. But that's life.

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy. I'm not saying racism is completely gone, I'm just saying that we should have evolved beyond that by now, and how I view another person as equals. If I learned anything from my LE days as a fact to my suspicions, trash comes in every color.

Man you're so sheltered it oozes from your posts.

 

[devilhawk]

Yeah, it's amazing how much benefit of the doubt the police get and continue to get in court, despite such occurrences. Even when the story sounds outrageous.

Think of how many hundreds of thousands of tickets are settled in courts everyday based off nothing but a cops word.

 

[freddy]

There are quite a few images of Molotovs from Ferguson around if you look hard enough. During riots things happen.

This one though takes the cake and shows how eager some are to spin this thing one way or another. I have no idea who or what Breitbart is btw.

 

[lexi]

It's okay guys, he's not blind to minorities being places, means shit's all good.

I was wondering if the mere existence of black people was in question.

 

[gogosox82]

Yes, I have actually. One of my closer friends unfortunately moved away for a job (making far more than me) and we kinda got separated which sucks as we played games, sports, drank, etc for years. But that's life.

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy. I'm not saying racism is completely gone, I'm just saying that we should have evolved beyond that by now, and how I view another person as equals. If I learned anything from my LE days as a fact to my suspicions, trash comes in every color.

Yeah your definitely sheltered. You can't evolve beyond institutional racism because it is engrained into the society. You just don't notice it because it doesn't effect you.

 

[SlackAdjuster]

Exactly. Thank you.

Getting fed up with the "Us vs Them" mindset that exists on both sides right now in Ferguson and in groups and cliques and political parties and movements all across this country which serve only one purpose; to divide us.

It's like all rational thought and objectivism flies out the window as long as your team wins. It's absolutely destructive.

Best thing I've read in here tonight.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I was wondering if the mere existence of black people was in question.

He's seen them on TV.

So of course they do.

 

[everyday math]

There are quite a few images of Molotovs from Ferguson around if you look hard enough. During riots things happen.
This one though takes the cake and shows how eager some are to spin this thing one way or another. I have no idea who or what Breitbart is btw.

Last one isn't a Molotov. Man is throw tear gas back at police.
Unless you're making fun of the headline.

 

[AniHawk]

Yes, I have actually. One of my closer friends unfortunately moved away for a job (making far more than me) and we kinda got separated which sucks as we played games, sports, drank, etc for years. But that's life.

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy. I'm not saying racism is completely gone, I'm just saying that we should have evolved beyond that by now, and how I view another person as equals. If I learned anything from my LE days as a fact to my suspicions, trash comes in every color.

i don't think you quite understand institutionalized racism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutionalized_racism#United_States

it's something you grow up with. hell, i can read all about it all i want, but i'll never fully understand it because i never grew up with it.

 

[Mental Atrophy]

Last one isn't a Molotov. Man is throw tear gas back at police.

Pretty certain he knows that.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I like how it's fucking near iconic photo of this very incident from like the first night of protests being used as an argument of a molotov on August 17.

So many people will believe it as well.

 

[freddy]

Last one isn't a Molotov. Man is throw tear gas back at police.

Read my text above the pic and think about it.

 

[Suite Pee]

Last one isn't a Molotov. Man is throw tear gas back at police.

The poster knows. Hence their comment about the lengths people will go to spin it their way.

 

[AniHawk]

There are quite a few images of Molotovs from Ferguson around if you look hard enough. During riots things happen.
This one though takes the cake and shows how eager some are to spin this thing one way or another. I have no idea who or what Breitbart is btw.

breitbart is like really far right wing nuttery.