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[FiggyCal]

Could you post a link? I honestly haven't heard of any eye witnesses going with the officer's story.

I believe the link in question is this:

@ChristineDByers

Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson

https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/status/501556693382094848

To which I say. Maybe. I'm still waiting for one to speak up. Unless they all happen to be like Wilson's friend and weren't on the scene at the time.

 

[Aurongel]

It may be my heated emotions linked to the situation talking... but it's pretty telling that we haven't had any pictures of sustained injuries released by Wilson or the FPD.

They clearly want to assassinate Brown's character, so wouldn't that help their cause?

I'd chalk this up to the FPD trying to protect his identity. Guilty or not, the emotional uproar from this could put his family in danger if people were able to identify him shortly after the shooting.

There's issues with both sides of it.

 

[Secret Fawful]

better him than the cop.

I'm trying so hard to understand this. Attacking a cop isn't a death sentence.

That doesn't seem to be the attitude the police have.

My eyes just keep opening wider and wider with this stuff.

 

[HerbertFish]

I believe the link in question is this:


https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/status/501556693382094848

To which I say. Maybe. I'm still waiting for one to speak up. Unless they all happen to be like Wilson's friend and weren't on the scene at the time.

Probably best they don't speak up now if they're still investigating. I know it's 2014 and we want facts now but that's usually a detriment to investigating.

 

[jamesinclair]

Soon after they deleted the tweet and apologized.

catching up on last night....WTF

Does this tank have clout in DC?

 

[KissVibes]

I'd chalk this up to the FPD trying to protect his identity. Guilty or not, the emotional uproar from this could put his family in danger if people were able to identify him shortly after the shooting.

There's issues with both sides of it.

We already know who he is and what he looks like.

 

[Slayven]

12 witnesses for the cop

6 for brown

almost 20 people and no one got video and there were 20 people hanging out in the street that day?

 

[marrec]

I believe the link in question is this:


https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/status/501556693382094848

To which I say. Maybe. I'm still waiting for one to speak up. Unless they all happen to be like Wilson's friend and weren't on the scene at the time.

Reading through her twitter timeline... she doesn't seem like a very unbiased source.

But if there are eyewitnesses that corroborate the officers version of events then it'll come out eventually so I guess we'll see.

 

[Stet]

catching up on last night....WTF

Does this tank have clout in DC?

Ha ha, for a second I thought it was the Canadian CSIS.

 

[HerbertFish]

12 witnesses for the cop

6 for brown

almost 20 people and no one got video and there were 20 people hanging out in the street that day?

I would guess it happened too quickly maybe?

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

12 witnesses for the cop

6 for brown

almost 20 people and no one got video and there were 20 people hanging out in the street that day?

I've asked this same question twice already, and nobody responded. It seems odd that someone can live tweet the event unfolding, yet you can't record it? Seems more of a hassle to tweet than the simplicity of recording.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Where? Where are those witnesses? Some sources would be nice, since all the ones I know of are of people that weren't even present when the shooting occurred.

@ChristineDByers

Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson

https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/statuses/501556693382094848

St. Louis Dispatch reporter.

 

[bob_arctor]

12 witnesses for the cop

6 for brown

almost 20 people and no one got video and there were 20 people hanging out in the street that day?

Tweet says "More than a dozen" even.

 

[Cat]

I've asked this same question twice already, and nobody responded. It seems odd that someone can live tweet the event unfolding, yet you can't record it? Seems more of a hassle to tweet than the simplicity of recording.

To be clear, it wasn't a live tweet as it happened. He tweeted immediately after it happened.

 

[Effect]

"Police sources" are the last thing that should be trust in this situation. Of course they're going to say things help their side. However every action they've taken greatly suggest otherwise. If things were in their favor none of this would be going on. The cop wouldn' be in hiding. They'd have released their information from the very beginning and nothing would be happening right now.

 

[dave is ok]

Eyewitness accounts aren't even very reliable sometimes.

Brown's friend, Dorian, initially said the officer shot him in the back which was disproven by the autopsy.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

To be clear, it wasn't a live tweet as it happened. He tweeted immediately after it happened.

Ah, ok. Well, another Gaffer said live tweeting, so assumed happening as it was going down.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I really wish that we could get clarification on this. Not that I think sustaining facial injuries would justify multiple shots fired from a distance, but it would be nice to know just what we're dealing with here in terms of understanding just how plausible it is that the officer feared this man advancing on him -- assuming you believe he was advancing on him. Just through the grapevine chatter, I've heard everything from "light bruising" to "broken orbital and jaw."

He went to the ER, so there is a record of his injuries. will probably be strategically leaked any minute now.

 

[Jaeger]

What a mess.

 

[jamesinclair]

I missed this gem last night...

As far as institutional racism, I see different races on TV, in office, in school, and not once was I taught to be racist in the police academy.

Holy shit.

 

[BronsonLee]

Quoting myself from yesterday because goddamnit people.

Exclusive Documentary Footage of Mike Brown Running:

Also, J-Rzez might take the cake for silliest person I've seen in the thread

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Eyewitness accounts aren't even very reliable sometimes.

Brown's friend, Dorian, initially said the officer shot him in the back which was disproven by the autopsy.

It wouldn't be far fetched for someone to believe a person was being shot at from the back and thinking they were hit. Also, Brown supposedly twitched his arm when facing away from the Wilson.

 

[rooflapimp]

"Police sources" are the last thing that should be trust in this situation. Of course they're going to say things help their side. However every action they've taken greatly suggest otherwise. If things were in their favor none of this would be going on. The cop wouldn' be in hiding. They'd have released their information from the very beginning and nothing would be happening right now.

They are conducting an investigation. Do you think they would shout every little bit of information they gather from the rooftops as soon as they get it? Don't you think that would be a little counter productive?

As for him being in hiding right now, don't you think they fear for his safety with what is currently happening on the streets?

Some of you just seem to be jumping straight to emotional responses before thinking...

 

[mre]

Eyewitness accounts aren't even very reliable sometimes.

Brown's friend, Dorian, initially said the officer shot him in the back which was disproven by the autopsy.

Actually, one of the guys who conducted the private autopsy of Michael Brown stated on Fox News last night that the wounds to his arm were consistent with Brown having his back to Wilson at the time he was shot there.

 

[Cat]

Ah, ok. Well, another Gaffer said live tweeting, so assumed happening as it was going down.

That's how most people refer to it. Here's a link to my compiled list of witness accounts: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=125882705&highlight=#post125882705

 

[Corronchilejano]

Eyewitness accounts aren't even very reliable sometimes.

Brown's friend, Dorian, initially said the officer shot him in the back which was disproven by the autopsy.

If the shot was a miss, he still shot.

 

[theignoramus]

First I want to make it clear that I don't think he deserved to die for stealing from the store and roughing up the owner, but if it's found out he was attacking the cop in any way then It's unfortunate he had to die, but better him than the cop.

While a disgusting post, I wonder how many on Gaf and in the outside world subscribe to this viewpoint.

 

[HerbertFish]

"Police sources" are the last thing that should be trust in this situation. Of course they're going to say things help their side. However every action they've taken greatly suggest otherwise. If things were in their favor none of this would be going on. The cop wouldn' be in hiding. They'd have released their information from the very beginning and nothing would be happening right now.

I don't think so, not with the fbi handling the investigation. They tell public they have witnesses corroborating cops' story then they ruin fbi investigation and have bigger problems to deal with.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Tweet says "More than a dozen" even.

Yeah, where did these witnesses magically materialize from, I wonder....

 

[DECK'ARD]

Actually, one of the guys who conducted the private autopsy of Michael Brown stated on Fox News last night that the wounds to his arm were consistent with Brown having his back to Wilson at the time he was shot there.

No, he said there's a possibility one of the arm wounds was inflicted that way because it's basically impossible to tell one way or the other.

 

[AwakenedCloud]

I'm at work so I can't research this myself, but how far away must you be to not have gunpowder residue from the bullets after being shot. I'm curious as this would at least provide the minimum number of feet away Brown was when he was shot last since the wounds didn't leave any residue.

 

[Angelus Errare]

While a disgusting post, I wonder how many on Gaf and in the outside world subscribe to this viewpoint.

An absolute shitload.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Yeah, where did these witnesses magically materialize from, I wonder....

From the PR that Ferguson PD hired.

 

[Slayven]

Tweet says "More than a dozen" even.

I was rounding.


I am glad Holder is in charge, perhaps the bullshit will be cut through

 

[dave is ok]

Actually, one of the guys who conducted the private autopsy of Michael Brown stated on Fox News last night that the wounds to his arm were consistent with Brown having his back to Wilson at the time he was shot there.

Maybe. But still, none of the bullets were to his back and only the one could have possibly grazed him with his back turned - in which case, after being hit he turned around (to either surrender or charge, depending on who you're talking to.)

 

[Effect]

I don't think so, not with the fbi handling the investigation. They tell public they have witnesses corroborating cops' story then they ruin fbi investigation and have bigger problems to deal with.

The FBI only came in after things got bad though. They weren't there at the very beginning. Part of why the FBI came, and the protest happen was because the police weren't saying anything at all from what I understand.

 

[bob_arctor]

Is the distinction generally made by the media between "eyewitness" and "witness"? Would that random tweet not have bothered to do so? Just wondering if these fall into the category of Wilson's friend.

 

[turtle553]

better him than the cop.

I'm trying so hard to understand this. Attacking a cop isn't a death sentence.

There seems to be an attitude here that some event (robbery, attacking a cop, whatever) shouldn't be a death sentence. and the person didn't deserve to die. This is true, but it doesn't change the fact that people can engage in risky behaviors that increase the likelihood of death or injury that they don't deserve.

Excessive speeding, base jumping, and attacking a cop are all things that have the potential to lead to death.

The facts aren't entirely clear in this case yet, but consequences aren't some black and white with no punishment and instant death the only options.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

People do not want this to go quietly so Brown gets some actual justice. Cases against cops in the United States have a history, and its almost always in favor of the men in blue.

I am not against the protest, I am just worried that it will not end well for both sides with these nightly events

I saw a video on CNN where a police capt. said he and his officers would like to walk away from this each night but his point for staying is he said that the people would go into a nearby mall in loot the place. Now this is a black police capt. saying this.

We have photos of looters online, I'm black I have been harassed by police before during my teens the first few months of driving my own car I was stopped and guns were drawn on me because they stopped the wrong car they told me. So I understand the history.

The truth is the police need to walk away, protecting the mall is not worth it, when the anger is gone the people of that community will know they damaged their own part of town. The people who are willing to loot that mall are not the same people who are seeking Justice for this young man. The looting gives the Police the high grown to stand on and those looking from the outside will see our people as deserving of these types of injustices. We won't win this battle.

link to CNN video http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...v-capt-ron-johnson-responds-to-force.cnn.html

 

[Bluekaveli]

I like how all of a sudden the are over 12 police witnesses.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Eyewitness accounts aren't even very reliable sometimes.

Brown's friend, Dorian, initially said the officer shot him in the back which was disproven by the autopsy.

Honestly I would put the least weight on his testimony. By his own admission he was running and hiding most of the time. He really couldn't have seen everything going on.

 

[Mael]

I don't think so, not with the fbi handling the investigation. They tell public they have witnesses corroborating cops' story then they ruin fbi investigation and have bigger problems to deal with.

They're the same guys who shooted from the rooftops how everything was alright and no journalist were arrested...hours before the Bild asked to get its journalist back...

 

[Gonzalez]

Also, J-Rzez might take the cake for silliest person I've seen in the thread

I wish I wasn't banned from DVDVR, then I would have been the silliest person there.

 

[ICKE]

12 witnesses for the cop

6 for brown

almost 20 people and no one got video and there were 20 people hanging out in the street that day?

They are playing this correctly, the opposing side is riling up the crowd while people representing and supporting the officer and police are mostly keeping media silence. I personally find it less likely that an officer with a clean record would just shoot someone without a reason than the possibility that there was a struggle - the robbery footage does play a strong part in my mind I can't deny it. At first the victim was framed as a gentle giant and that sentiment was kind of flushed down the toilet.

I'm looking at this from a middle class perspective of course so i don't understand all these grievances, to me officers are just normal people so the balance shifts when I see one side having any negatives before the incident.
This does not justify sluggish reaction and lack of proper investigation, police has been too disconnected from the community. In Europe it is always a big deal when an officer offs someone.

 

[BronsonLee]

I like how all of a sudden the are over 12 police witnesses.

I AM SPARTACUS

I wish I wasn't banned from DVDVR, then I would have been the silliest person there.

Look on the bright side, you escaped DVDVR!

 

[Steve Youngblood]

There is so much confusion, I kinda wish a mod could post about this perhaps, would it be possible to ask people to link sources sometimes? It's getting really hard to follow up on claims made by posters.. "witnesses said this, and said that" and "this happened" and tons of what seems to be opinions posted as facts "Well this happened"..

Just a link or something.

With the nature of social medias and at the speed things are being updated, this thread is quite messy.

This isn't a terrible idea. It certainly has some merit in some scenarios. For instance, when referencing a twitter link or an online news site, including a link would obviously be ideal as opposed to "just saw on Twitter that this information came out." But aside from that, it's going to be difficult to organize information in an ongoing conversation. I guess we could do a better job of updating the OP when major news is revealed, but I don't know about demanding links in every post. You or I might come in right in the middle of a back and forth that's been going on across 10 - 20 replies, and though we would benefit from it, I don't know how practical it is to dictate that the people involved keep linking this same info across every reply.

Also, it's difficult to mandate that people source stuff if they're just paraphrasing what they're hearing on television. But anyhow, I think what you're suggesting would certainly be beneficial for people not constantly F5'ing this fast moving thread. I just don't know if it's something I can practically enforce.

 

[mre]

No, he said there's a possibility one of the arm wounds was inflicted that way because it's basically impossible to tell one way or the other.

Hence it being consistent with him having his back turned... Did I say that the guy stated conclusively that his back was turned? All I was doing was refuting the statement that the autopsy ruled out Brown being shot from behind.

 

[FiggyCal]

They are playing this correctly, the opposing side is riling up the crowd while people representing and supporting the officer and police are mostly keeping media silence. I personally find it less likely that an officer with a clean record would just shoot someone without a reason than the possibility that there was a struggle - the robbery footage does play a strong part in my mind I can't deny it. At first the victim was framed as a gentle giant and that sentiment was kind of flushed down the toilet when I saw him act like the way he did.

Witnesses did report a struggle. Dorian said the cop was trying to pull him in. Another (a woman) said that he saw them wrestling through the window. Off the top of my head, 3 witnesses said Wilson shot from inside the car.

 

[Bluekaveli]

I AM SPARTACUS



Look on the bright side, you escaped DVDVR!

What's dvdvr?

 

[HerbertFish]

The FBI only came in after things got bad though. They weren't there at the very beginning. Part of why the FBI came, and the protest happen was because the police weren't saying anything at all from what I understand.

Either way I don't think it benefits them to release info on witnesses. Then you risk false witnesses coming forward and it becomes impossible to corroborate what actually happened. I know they've mishandled everything else but this seems basic enough for them to maybe do right. I'm not sure though maybe an actual investigator can tell us what the normal process is here.