Look at all the other toys they get to play with. If they were in normal pants, they wouldn't look as bad ass. C'mon!
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Look at all the other toys they get to play with. If they were in normal pants, they wouldn't look as bad ass. C'mon!
She's a local reporter so she could have a legitimate source, but it's unlikely to be substantiated or not until the investigation is over.
I believe the talking point is "double back". As in he was running away, like the witnesses said. Stopped and turned back to charge at the officer.
That's the idea behind that version of events.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...757-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html?hpid=z1
Foxy Fox 39
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I think that's the narrative yeah.
BronsonLee
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I mean is she the only one reporting that particular part from the police source. That seems like something other people would report as well.
*strokes imaginary beard* Hrmhrm.
Do we have an idea of the location and such? I would assume Wilson simply stayed by his cop car. How close was Brown to that in the pictures when he fell?
Veritigo_X
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The advantage is looking cool. I mean you can't just wear normal slacks when wielding that kind of weaponry.
Honestly it's most likely for intimidation. I'm sure some would argue there's a tactical advantage to that.
It does seem a little strange that all of a sudden there are supposedly 12+ witnesses for the cop's side of the story. I don't know if they are actually eyewitnesses though, or witnesses based on hearsay/testimony for the officer's state of mind - nor do I know how the woman (a local reporter) who sent that tweet knows of them. (It would strike me as odd if all six of the eyewitnesses who have come forward so far were to be so spectacularly wrong.)
Yeah she didn't clarify very well, which is a bit irresponsible to do as a journalist in a situation like this.
I think the FPD's tone would be a little different if their were over twelve eyewitnesses that saw the shooting and corroborated Wilson's version of events.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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As it stands, how many people who were actually there at the time of the shooting have supported Wilson's claim?
BronsonLee
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From what I've read:
Publicly? Zero. All four eyewitness accounts that I've seen talked about all corroborate the surrender/shoot part.
Privately? No idea.
I don't believe we've heard from any.
Thanks. I'm trying to imagine what kind of mindset is required to charge an armed cop after fleeing from him and it's just not jiving in my head.
BattleMonkey
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Because they are not street cops, they only have standard uniforms for police functions as dress uniforms. Tactical units are different from street cops. You are very much so concerned about them wearing camo when it means nothing. They could be wearing pink and it doesn't change a thing, what difference does it make that they are wearing camo? The individual officers do not choose what they get to wear, people are like "oh they think they are bad asses", but it wasn't their choice, individual departments have a budget and buy the gear they will wear. Have friends who are with the local SWAT, and they currently wear all tan/green mixed tactical gear, it's what the department issued them, and they can't buy their own uniform as they are supposed to look like a team and not a rag tag group with everyone wearing their own gear.
Tactical teams have been around since the 70's, maybe a google search on SWAT will help you?
Exactly what I'm thinking. The guy who did the autopsy could easily corroborate Wilson's story that he was charging. He actually even said so in the press conference that Brown could've had his head down because he was running at the officer. That doesn't change what 6 eyewitnesses have said.
Does it really matter which story is correct? Even if you believe they struggled, the shots occurred after they separated. Sounds like the policeman got a little too caught up in subduing Brown and used his gun to bring him down
I just don't understand why the cop had to shoot him... is there really no other way to subdue him? Was calling for backup not an option?
I just don't understand why the cop had to shoot him... is there really no other way to subdue him? Was calling for backup not an option?
Hell, we don't even know Wilson's claim since the investigation is ongoing and hasn't been released. The only two things to come out is the background voices in the YouTube video and a claimed friend of Wilson calling a radio show. Along with him going to the hospital for facial bruising that the captain mentioned. No information has been officially released.
You didn't answer the question of what tactical advantage it has though.
No one knows yet.
The only known one is the guy talking about it in the background in a video immediately after. At 6 mins in or so, and it's very hard to understand so it's questionable in that regard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8X9dCJsrg&list=UUPfk07G5YI9OfUjFFsUdSoA
The caller said that Wilson thought Brown might have been on something.
http://www.971talk.com/blogs/dana-s...laims-be-friends-darren-wilson-knows-his-side
jhmtehgamr20xx
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There is no concrete evidence showing he robbed the store.
And I didn't just mean robbery, obviously. There's a lot of other bad things people can do (a lot of which aren't even considered crimes by the law), but that doesn't make an unjustified death suddenly justified.
interesting...
http://themissouritorch.com/blog/20...st-revolutionary-agitating-in-ferguson-video/
This is the guy that yelled "how many of you pigs got bodies on you?" a few nights ago.
People are saying he is a communist from Chicago and trying to incite the crowd.
http://themissouritorch.com/blog/20...st-revolutionary-agitating-in-ferguson-video/
This is the guy that yelled "how many of you pigs got bodies on you?" a few nights ago.
People are saying he is a communist from Chicago and trying to incite the crowd.
BronsonLee
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The fact that they've been very cagey with information RE: Wilson's account/injuries/anything beyond his name and so forthcoming with details about Brown/the robbery/etc makes me think one of three things:
They're keeping Wilson's account on ice because their investigation is still ongoing OR:
They're in deep shit and realize that releasing that stuff would end in goddamn disaster OR:
His account is borderline useless
They're keeping Wilson's account on ice because their investigation is still ongoing OR:
They're in deep shit and realize that releasing that stuff would end in goddamn disaster OR:
His account is borderline useless
BattleMonkey
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It doesn't have one? Just like I said they could be wearing hot pink or that it doesn't matter. Some would say it's an intimidation aspect to make the teams look like military? For whatever reason that department chose to issue camo, many don't.
Random Painted HIghway
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The FBI did their own canvassing of the area. It is not inconceivable that there were a number of folks suffering from bystander effect or not wanting to appear on tv or who don't trust the local cops. This is why in a case like this you can't just file charges the day or few days after the incident. The good thing is that either these folks actually witnesses something personally or they didn't. If this is just talking to Wilson after he event, then those statements wont come into play in the charging decision or the trial. I find the tweet to be irresponsible journalism, but here is a lot of that these days. She is probably being used and the new witness reports are either hearsay or just a minor distinction on the initial fracas.
Corronchilejano
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I am surprised that a video that has nothing to do with the situation at hand is shown to the press, but important info such as witnesses with a different account of what happened and the medical report of the cops bruised face have been witheld.
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thepotatoman
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Meanwhile, they absolutely refused to take the testimony of any witness that was on Brown's side, forcing them to take to the media and wait until their side of the story becomes easy to throw out because of corroboration and biases.
The caller also said that the final shot was to the forehead from two or three feet away which we know isn't true.
Veritigo_X
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When I see people wearing camo, I generally think of armed forces deployed somewhere. Somewhere that necessitates the use of camouflage. When I think of SWAT (and when I do a google image search for it) I think of this:
Blue and black uniforms. I can't see using camo as anything other than a form of intimidation.
BronsonLee
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It's all very odd, borderline idiotic. They'll be using this as an example case in schools of how not to handle a situation like this, because good lord in heaven they just keep getting it wrong.
And yeah, them seemingly ignoring witness testimony is not a good look at all. That gets them tossed the fuck out.
Also this question is obviously answered.
The public associates that type of camo and kit with the military. There's a large difference in how normal everyday people react to police actions and to military actions. Especially after 9/11 when pretty much everyone has seen exactly what Iraq and Afghanistan looked like.
So you have a group of people agitated because the local police force has killed one of their kids, are taunting them, arresting them without reason, and otherwise just generally being be assholes. Add to that they're deploying what looks like a group of people ready to take down ISIS. It creates more conflict in their mind especially if the majority of them are being peaceful. The only 'tactical' advantage to having a militarized squad of goons on your police force is if you have to respond to overwhelming force.
The protests have, overwhelmingly, been peaceful and law-abiding. The more you present the police force as one that considers the crowd of protesters as the enemy the MORE the crowd of protesters considers the police for the enemy.
Now, instead of a group of protesters being watched over by local police who they know and associate with you have a group of angry people being antagonized by goons with guns trained on them like they're prisoners who've escape from containment. THAT's why Camo matters.
I don't mean to be obtuse here, but, uh... could someone explain the offensiveness of this term? I feel like an ass saying that, but I've called MYSELF a gentle giant and don't quite understand. Isn't it just a big, kind dude?
I'm guessing there's some racial aspect here that I'm missing, but I've certainly heard the term applied to white people quite often. Possibly this is just in my circle of friends and an anomaly.
I'm not challenging what anyone's saying, I'm just legitimately ignorant as to what the issue is.
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ElectricBlanketFire
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If I had to guess, it's probably to make Brown seem like an imposing figure to the officer.
Its the gear you're issued really. Swat and Tactical teams handle a lot of different jobs from bank robberies to fugitive retrieval. Beat cops aren't going to deal with this stuff with their slacks and caps on.
Weapons/Gear for the police really changed in the 90s after that LA Bank Robbery and 911 contributed to it also. Standard police sidearms and Shotguns did't work well against those AKs
It was to the top of the head, and we don't know the distance. There has not been a crime scene investigation published for blood splatter etc to determine distance.
We should have details tomorrow as a grand jury is hearing the case right?
Yes there is. That it happened is no longer up for debate, only its relevance and meaning in the grand scheme of things.
I don't think the term is offensive, it was more the mocking way he said it.
We're talking a bit off the cuff here but if I'm part of that tactical squad tasked to train sniper rifles at law-abiding citizens then I'm heading down to my local Dickeys and picking up a pair of black slacks.
No need for Camo on the police force. Of course, most cops probably don't see it that way.
Yeah I don't agree with the caller's version of events, just giving what I think their answer would be for why Brown would rush Wilson.
It would be either that (drugs) or "a criminal's mindset" after committing a crime and being stopped by the police, which is the rather poor argument the chief of police made here. Though I don't think Brown's mindset after stealing a box of cigarellos was anywhere near comparable to the mindset of a serial killer or domestic terrorist. At the current point in the investigation, given what we know, I find it hard to believe that Brown would escalate stealing a box of Swisher Sweets to an offense involving attacking an officer, at least in the manner described by Wilson. Though if more evidence comes out that points towards Brown rushing him in such a way, I won't hesitate to consider that possible scenario.
People in this thread really need to stop saying this.
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thepotatoman
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By saying it mockingly you're basically saying he's the opposite, which I would approximate to being about the same as calling him a "thug".
It's fine if you don't say it mockingly.
Corronchilejano
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His uncle called him a gentle giant, and after the video of the "robbery" was revealed, right wing sites started using it sarcastically. Hell, just google it:
I really am appalled at conservatives in the United States.
When people like Rush Limbaugh are using the term, it is meant in a mocking manner, to make fun of those who had called him a "gentle giant".
Hari Seldon
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The camo is definitely for intimidation. The militarization of the police force finally coming to a head is what is interesting about this whole scenario for me.
ah yes a grieving grand father, the scum of our times.
Lol, woodland MARPAT is tactical in an urban environment. GTFO.
If they need a "tactical" camo, they can use the urban MARPAT, but it doesn't look very "military.
Before this I had no idea that police were issued stuff like this.
I was in Pittsburgh during the G8 riots and there was NOTHING like that on the streets.
Lol, woodland MARPAT is tactical in an urban environment. GTFO.
If they need a "tactical" camo, they can use the urban MARPAT, but it doesn't look very "military.
That's why I'm wondering WTF they are hiding from.
Like, is there a patch of desert in the middle of St. Louis?
GameGuru59
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Perhaps the officer was hallucinating and saw Brown transform into a giant rhinoceros like James and the Giant Peach...
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