To protect us from murderous, knife wielding criminals. In part.
You're being ridiculous.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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To protect us from murderous, knife wielding criminals. In part.
You're being ridiculous.
Conspiracies don't help anything here.
I don't think they were making it for a Rate My Molotov contest.
More_Badass
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To protect those around them from knife wielding assailants?
jamesinclair
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Youre not being serious right?
Right?
I cant find Ferguson, but lets take a look at NYPD, and remember that the officer here was on the job for 6 years.
$90,829 base pay
27 Paid vacation days after 5 years of service
Unlimited sick leave with full pay
A choice of paid medical programs
Prescription, dental, and eyeglass coverage
Optional retirement at one half salary after 22 years of service*
Annual $12,000 Variable Supplement Fund (upon retirement)
Annual banking of $12,000 Variable Supplement Fund after 22 years of service (if not retiring)
*Newly hired NYPD officers can expect to receive nearly $2.2 million in pension payments and City paid health benefits over 32 years of retirement, based on the current average salary including overtime pay and other compensation; the average age of 26 for newly hired Police Officers; retirement at age 48 after 22 years of service, and assuming the average life expectancy of 80 years. Persons retiring above the rank of Police Officer will earn higher retirement payments based on their respective ranks.
http://www.nypdrecruit.com/benefits-salary/overview
Never mind the unlimited overtime offered to stand around looking at people digging holes in the sidewalk.
Icanplaythat
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Oh dude, Cali cops are robbing that state blind. They can start collecting their pension while still working on full salary.
EDIT:
Well done.
So they can stand trial.
Literally cutting an officers arm off -- yes, they need to be killed as the officer is about to be killed. But, should always be subdued if possible.
Waving and threatening? Subdue like your training/history of your firearmless PD has prepared you (UK/Other places). Otherwise, we need to officially deem the police able to conduct their own punishments/trials. If the excuse is that when their job is hard, their only option is shooting someone to death.
Serious about what? I'm asking if the twitter is official or not?
What conspiracy? I'm asking if the Twitter account is legit or not? Because the fake looking molotov makes it seem less legit.
what?
Air Zombie Meat
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It doesn't just stop there though does it. It's got to the point where shooting dead an unarmed man 30 feet away with their hands up can be spun as acceptable.
Zoe
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That's not in the report or the video.
Can we please have a different thread for the knife incident?
My uncle makes ~100k and he's NYPD. Doing overtime for private companies like Barnes n Nobles gets you paid
Pretty much the point here.
If there was an attitude that leaned more towards people serving trials, rather than being shot in the streets unarmed, You'd have less tendency of shooting people for any and all things with the excuse of a threat.
Thats the problem with our nation. You can 'feel' a threat from a person, so much so that you follow them around in the night and gun them down, and still get off.
America is so scared of its own fucking shadow is pathetic.
timetokill
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I really wish we didn't keep circling back to the irrelevant "robbery" incident
I think he's just trying to say that Brown's character wasn't exactly a peach to begin with.
NYPD cops make 100k after 5 years, not including over time. Parts of NY make even more.
released his personal info. addresses, phone numbers, SS, email password.
edit: not going to link it here. You can find it if you want.
Waving and threatening is not what is being reported with regard to this instance. It's being reported he ran towards an officer with the knife. If that is true this person was justifiably shot and killed.
It has nothing to do with punishment. The officer is not carrying out a sentence after judging him guilty. He is acting to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or others.
That would be smashing.
Are you sure you weren't saying the PD made a molotov and took a pic to support their treatment of protesters?
Ignatz Mouse
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People have to stop talking about the term "strong arm robbery" as if it's some attempt to slander the guy. That's the standard term for unarmed robbery when physical force or threat of physical force is used. This was explained to me when I was on a grand jury. It's not like they made up the term to make him look bad..
I didn't really follow this story at first, can somebody point me to a description of the events by the bystanders? All I hear repeated in the police version of the story (which sounds, um, fishy).
I didn't really follow this story at first, can somebody point me to a description of the events by the bystanders? All I hear repeated in the police version of the story (which sounds, um, fishy).
Okay, that's what i thought you meant.
jamesinclair
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Heres another fun look at salaries
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...rybody-else/Knrr4e2I1Sji7VQ6tTSOqI/story.html
Steve Youngblood
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To be clear, what would be spun as acceptable would be the officer's account of being assaulted and then subsequently charged at. If a grand jury believes there's anything to the eyewitness accounts of Wilson firing on Brown after Brown surrendered and put his hands up, he's going to get charged. I don't even think the crazy, right-wingers who get their news exclusively from Fox News and Drudge would defend that. The argument in defense of Wilson hinges on the eyewitnesses reporting he surrendered being wrong and the narrative that Brown proceeded to charge at Wilson prevailing.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Real talk from Jesse Williams! I only knew him as a random actor from Cabin in the Woods! Who knew
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=537737119687915&fref=nf
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=537737119687915&fref=nf
As I said, waving and threatening immediate and approximate danger to police = kill the dude.. However, there are many instances in our media and with our justice system where the same excuse is used for a different scenario where there isn't an immediate threat to the officer, or folks near by. The focus seems to be killing versus getting this person in front of a jury. Its making up an excuse for paid vacation and community service. So I'd love for police to be able to show more restraint, like in Germany/UK -- as a trend of the overall justice system. Not just a select group of officers.
He's the Governor. He lives in the Governor's Mansion in Jefferson City.
Are Anon members allowed to post here...?!?!?
;-)
timetokill
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Fancy lawyer GAF disagrees:
Check the link in the OP. Best quick rundown of events that I've seen so far.
edit: fuck, now I'm doing it. I'm not talking about this stupid robbery nonsense anymore unless something proves it somehow relevant to Brown's killing.
And those are management level positions. Not a run of the mill beat cop. Which is prob at best a third of that.
Steve Youngblood
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All right. The conversation about police salaries and how police should react to suspects armed with knives is irrelevant. I'm not going to disallow completely conversation about this shooting as it relates to unrest in the area, but the general commentary about police salaries and how they should have behaved in this most recent instance is irrelevant to the Brown case. Can we please drop it?
Jesse Williams using those blue eyes for the greater good
Doing overtime for private companies isn't part of their base package. And has nothing to do with his assertion though.
This.
Alright I did some research and I was wrong about this one, my apologies.
I got it mixed up with the BS leak from the blood test.
It's low that the chief would give the press information about the store incident yet say the officer had no knowledge of this, ie it's irrelevant.
I guess they could have felt like it was going to leak soon but it sure looks like a way to get the media brainwashing.
Maximilian E.
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Just saw on swedish news that another guy, a 23 year old, has been shot in Ferguson by the police. Is it true?
If only we had invented some sort of protective shell centuries ago to protect us from bladed assaults.
And if only we had a force of people wearing these shells who would willingly agree to enter dangerous situations and resolve them peacefully.
Chie Satonaka
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If protect and serve means "Protect and serve but only when I can do so without my life being in danger", that just reinforces the idea that cops aren't doing some selfless job that needs to be lauded constantly. It's just a career choice, one in which they have more rights than you.
If other countries are subverting potentially violent criminals without gunshots, we should strive to emulate them, not continuing to justify deadly force being the only option. Even if it's just one out of one hundred, that's one person who can maybe get help and turn their life around.
BronsonLee
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jamesinclair
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The moderators have asked us to drop this, so I wont add anything further, but its interesting how you completely glossed over the NYPD info I posted, which is just base salary (no overtime or outside work) and is for beat cops.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I would disagree, I won't in this case, but in many other cases I would. Because we have technology available to the police that can stop people pretty easily without killing them. I don't understand why a gun needs to always be the first weapon used in police confrontations. If that gun the officer drew had been a taser the person might still be alive. Then again,I don't know much about the usefulness of tasers.
exactly. Its not as if american criminals are more dangerous when they are holding a knife, than in other countries. It should be the attitude and the culture, to minimize as many unavoidable deaths as possible, even with suspects that have weapons. Again, the proof is in the facts that they are ruling civilians without shooting them all to death.
Sho_Nuff82
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pr1oE34bIM
This video claims there is a second witness claiming that Brown doubled back. Has anyone seen the original video in question?
This video claims there is a second witness claiming that Brown doubled back. Has anyone seen the original video in question?
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