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[KHarvey16]

Can you find the word "all" in the original post? Because I sure can't. Because the person's point was pretty clearly that in other countries, their police forces are more frequently able to noon-fatally resolve dangerous situations. Pottery sure they wiener speaking in absolutes, so you're tilting at a windmill.

Like, if your argument is "well it's not 100% effective there so why bother" then I have some bad news for you about efficacy rates of literally anything in the real world.

He took a single incident involving a knife and then made some sweeping comment about how people aren't killed for having knives anywhere else. This is obviously fallacious reasoning to anyone with sense.

First, not all incidents involving knives end in death in the states.

Second, not all incidents involving knives end without deaths everywhere else.

Third, he presents no data whatsoever on the ratio of incidents involving knives or other weapons to those incidents resulting in death. The US undoubtedly has more of these. How many involve suspects being killed?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Get that knife shit outta here. Has no relevance to the Brown/Wilson incident.

 

[Badosh]

Woah what... ?

Spoiler

/s or a joke, both

should have made that clear.

 

[Icanplaythat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
24 total officers stabbed to death, 20 or so in the last 30 years.

Jesus, a lot of those deaths are just officers collapsing while in pursuit.

 

[bob_arctor]

Yup, they knew exactly what they were doing when they released that footage. It was very cynical, but it will be very effective at muddying the waters and swinging right wing (and probably centrist) opinion firmly and decisively in their favour.

Shit, even my Mom's mentioned that he roughed up the clerk. I mean, she didn't take it as far as saying the cop was justified but the seed planted in any way helps the Ferguson PD.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Get that knife shit outta here. Has no relevance to the Brown/Wilson incident.

I largely agree. However, it's going to be difficult to completely ignore it given that it's another officer involved shooting that occurred so close to Ferguson.

 

[BronsonLee]

It wasn't just "some asshole in the PD that leaked it." It was the Ferguson Chief of Police that handed out dockets to the press following a press conference where he both released the name of the officer involved in the shooting and also vaguely described Brown's involvement in a robbery.

Yeah, that was the jumping off point of this absolute goddamn nonsense.
Releases name by pressure/people already knowing who it is thanks to his complete lack of a poker face
Hands out info packets instead of taking questions/providing the information right there
It isn't the information anybody wanted, and it isn't really relevant to the shooting
AND GO

Fake Edit: Oh, top of the page, HI~!

 

[commedieu]

Jesus, a lot of those deaths are just officers collapsing while in pursuit.

This is the big one.. queen Elizabeth!!!

 

[Suite Pee]

I shoplifted as a teenager, and I was valedictorian. But, I'm white, so had I ever gotten caught, I probably would have gotten a slap on the wrist like I did with an underage drinking ticket.

I'm really curious what's going to happen with this "4 PM" bullshit. Last night they gassed neighborhoods at random. Tonight? Who knows. They seem intent on crushing this quickly.

 

[turtle553]

Jesus, a lot of those deaths are just officers collapsing while in pursuit.

This seems crazy:
Christopher Francis Wilson PC 28 Devon and Cornwall Constabulary 20 August 1977 Contracted fatal illness when spat on during football disturbance

 

[bob_arctor]

Get that knife shit outta here. Has no relevance to the Brown/Wilson incident.

Word.

 

[marrec]

I largely agree. However, it's going to be difficult to completely ignore it given that it's another officer involved shooting that occurred so close to Ferguson.

And a crowd has gathered chanting 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot'.

 

[rjinaz]

Get that knife shit outta here. Has no relevance to the Brown/Wilson incident.

Actually that's true. Maybe another thread could be started? Not sure. Though ultimately it could lead to more unrest in Ferguson, so there is a direct connection, but as of right now the debating over the use of knives, and a lot of that is on me, is veering conversation off course for the thread so I'll stop.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

And a crowd has gathered chanting 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot'.

Which is ridiculous considering from all accounts the knife wielder did anything but surrender.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Woah what... ?

Mike Brown was 6'13 and weighed 475 lbs of solid muscle. He also could bench press 900 lbs and knew judo. You expect a lowly liquor store clerk could survive the force of a shove from him a survive?

 

[Corronchilejano]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
24 total officers stabbed to death, 20 or so in the last 30 years.

13 in the last 30 years. 20 shot.

The US has 67 stabbed and 1878 shot in 30 years.

http://www.odmp.org/

 

[Byakuya769]

Mike Brown was 6'13 and weighed 475 lbs of solid muscle. He also could bench press 900 lbs and knew judo. You expect a lowly liquor store clerk could survive the force of a shove from him a survive?

And had noted NED, THC, in his system.

 

[BronsonLee]

This seems crazy:
Christopher Francis Wilson PC 28 Devon and Cornwall Constabulary 20 August 1977 Contracted fatal illness when spat on during football disturbance

...Wait, what? Someone killed 2 cops by spitting?! Who was this person, Reptile?

 

[commedieu]

13 in the last 30 years. 20 shot.

The US has 67 stabbed and 1878 shot in 30 years.

http://www.odmp.org/

feels good to be on top.

 

[jamesinclair]

An attacker with a knife will reach you before you have time to pull your gun and aim within a 20 feet range. Don't believe me? test it. Have a friend hold a remote control and surprise you with a rush from that distance and you won't have time to reach for your pretend gun and aim at him.

I didnt believe it before trying it myself with a few people during a formation

How far away would you say this man with a 2-foot machete was from these European police offers before they safely subdued him without causing injuries to anyone?

'Only one guy had a shield - the rest were unarmed apart from these small batons. It is crazy no one got seriously hurt or even killed. It was a terrifying experience.'

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

My dad was shot in the back, twice, while unarmed, and the police officer didn't identify himself. Mistaken identity. All he did was run when the plain clothed officer jumped out of his car waving a gun. Cop faced no penalty whatsoever. And my dad is white.

It's no wonder cops think they can get away with murder. Why are they not all wearing cameras at all times?

 

[turtle553]

...Wait, what? Someone killed 2 cops by spitting?! Who was this person, Reptile?

That's one person killed and his station name.

 

[Icanplaythat]

13 in the last 30 years. 20 shot.

The US has 67 stabbed and 1878 shot in 30 years.

http://www.odmp.org/

Yeah...but...we have more people...so...YEAH. Once you...uh...do the multiplying...it's like...the same.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

And had noted NED, THC, in his system.

I mean, given the chemical conditions of black folks, that effectively made him Superman.

Combined with his Sharingans, I'm not really sure how they even took him down with just bullets.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

How far away would you say this man with a 2-foot machete was from these European police offers before they safely subdued him without causing injuries to anyone?

That doesn't mean it's safe.

 

[BronsonLee]

That's one person killed and his station name.

HE KILLED AN ENTIRE STATION?!

My bad, thanks for the correction. See what happens when you speed read?

 

[Figboy79]

I kind of feel like the robbery is just the icing on the cake.

This story would have been identical, even if there wasn't any footage. The narrative is that Mike threatened the officers life -- based on him shooting him down and running away from the scene after doing so.

And people have already bought off on it.

That's because it's so easy for people to swallow the narrative of the angry, scary black man charging at any perceived threat like a bull towards a matador. No matter how many blacks are calm, collected, and decent human beings (ie, the vast fucking majority of us), the default assumption in America is that "black male = danger!!!!".

And naturally, if that assumption is proven true (like the black male committed a robbery prior to his killing), it somehow justifies his brutal end: "you grow corn, you get corn."

It's exhausting. But we've been down this road many, many a time here on GAF, so I don't have much else to add to this particular conversation. I hope things calm down in Ferguson, but I can't say I don't see how things can fall into chaos like this when this narrative is played out time and time again, with, almost literally, no changes to the usual flow of events.

 

[mre]

Mike Brown was 6'13 and weighed 475 lbs of solid muscle. He also could bench press 900 lbs and knew judo. You expect a lowly liquor store clerk could survive the force of a shove from him a survive?

Michael Brown on the left, Officer Wilson on the right.

 

[Badosh]

I mean, given the chemical conditions of black folks, that effectively made him Superman.

Combined with his Sharingans, I'm not really sure how they even took him down with just bullets.

Are you implying black people are made of THC?

I've heard that, wouldn't doubt it.

Spoiler

Agreed with the other incident. Make another thread.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

That's one person killed and his station name.

Cornwall Constabulary wouldn be a pretty badass name.

 

[KHarvey16]

How far away would you say this man with a 2-foot machete was from these European police offers before they safely subdued him without causing injuries to anyone?

This is the kind of reasoning I'm talking about.

"Wear a seatbelt, it's dangerous if you don't."

"Haha, I drove here without it on and nothing happened! Clearly it is not more dangerous!"

 

[QuicheFontaine]

That doesn't mean it's safe.

You know, that's why I respect UK coppers: they understand that being a policeman is a dangerous job, and it involves personal risk. I wouldn't want to do it, but they're brave enough to, so I respect them. They're not clamouring for handguns, as "tools" to do their job.

I accept that the US is different, as there's a much higher chance that criminals in the US will have firearms.

 

[commedieu]

My dad was shot in the back, twice, while unarmed, and the police officer didn't identify himself. Mistaken identity. All he did was run when the plain clothed officer jumped out of his car waving a gun. Cop faced no penalty whatsoever. And my dad is white.

It's no wonder cops think they can get away with murder. Why are they not all wearing cameras at all times?

They are out of control. It happened with the minorities, but the power trip/power divide/militarization has created an atmosphere of "us vs them" just looking at the civilian population as enemy combatants/infractions waiting to happen. I'm sorry for your loss.

The take home here, is that even though people are buying into the standard "smear a negro" tactic, the media and others are noting that this is out of control. They need cameras, and we need to spend the money to get it done. Instead of blowing 1 trillion on the f35, or bailing out banks, or just the pentagon straight losing account of trillions, we can spend 1k/officer. As they do in Rialto CA - and have noticed crime drop.

Problem in America, is that we have a private prison system. These are publicly traded correctional facilities, they sued Denver IIRC -- due to breach of contract (Not enough people in jail ) So you are going to have push back.

Police nation wide have little next to no responsibility. Its time this changes.

I love how someone casually shoving someone turns into 'roughing them up' when it's a dead black kid that did it.

STRONG ARM ROBERY!

 

[ced]

Why are they not all wearing cameras at all times?

Because in every situation they have been used as dash cams they end up incriminating the police more than helping them.

I think we will see them required after this.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I love how someone casually shoving someone turns into 'roughing them up' when it's a dead black kid that did it.

Black or white, he was intimidating with his size to someone that didn't deserve it.

 

[jamesinclair]

This is the kind of reasoning I'm talking about.

"Wear a seatbelt, it's dangerous if you don't."

"Haha, I drove here without it on and nothing happened! Clearly it is not more dangerous!"

Oh please.

Wearing a seatbelt has no negative side effect. It is 100% beneficial.

KILLING SOMEONE has sort of a negative side effect, doesn it? You know, that theyre DEAD now.

Aren't we always told that "these poor officers put their life on the line"?

Really? If they're just going to shoot at people holding a kitchen knife BECAUSE IT'S SO DANGEROUS, why are we paying them $150,000 a year?

Police in Greece? Yeah, they put their life on the line. Police in Rio? I'd agree. The officer in that picture puttign a trash bin between himself and a crazy man with a machete? That's risky.

And he's being paid handsomely to take on that risk.

Police in Ferguson? I don't see it.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I mean, given the chemical conditions of black folks, that effectively made him Superman.

Combined with his Sharingans*, I'm not really sure how they even took him down with just bullets.

Dehumanizing eye

 

[Badosh]

Not sure if posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/redskins-michael-brown-tribute_n_5690961.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Before their preseason game on Monday night, Washington safety Brandon Meriweather and some of his teammates paid tribute to Michael Brown, the teenager who was shot and killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Mo. on Aug. 9.

Although I don't like the team, I'm glad more and more people are coming out in support.

rename me if old.

 

[KissVibes]

What if Michael Brown isn't dead but had to fake his death with the help of the government because he has super human powers and the cop that shot him is really a plant from Soviet Russia that was looking to eliminate this threat to THEIR squad of supermen?

Also what if there was time travel?

 

[Jaeger]

Why do we have Police officers? What is their purpose? Why do people join the force in the first place?

These are the questions that need asking.

If they do just as much battery, and murder as the people they are sworn to protect us from, then what is the goddamned point. Less time and Dunkin' Donuts, more time at our local Boxing Gym.

 

[zewone]

Is the St. Louis County PD twitter an official account?

This is the fakest molotv I'v ever seen:

https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/501628755836559360

 

[commedieu]

https://twitter.com/daneyvilla/status/501803722432057344

Not sure if posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/redskins-michael-brown-tribute_n_5690961.html?utm_hp_ref=tw



Although I don't like the team, I'm glad more and more people are coming out in support.

rename me if old.

Old-Ass-Posting-Adosh. ;-)

Is the St. Louis County PD twitter an official account?

This is the fakest molotv I'v ever seen:

https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/501628755836559360

THAT IS NOT A COLT 45!!!@!!!!@?@@?

COME ON!

 

[ReAxion]

Is the St. Louis County PD twitter an official account?

This is the fakest molotv I'v ever seen:

https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/501628755836559360

they also don't sell those anywhere in the state.

 

[KHarvey16]

Oh please.

Wearing a seatbelt has no negative side effect. It is 100% beneficial.

KILLING SOMEONE has sort of a negative side effect, doesn it? You know, that theyre DEAD now.

Aren't we always told that "these poor officers put their life on the line"?

Really? If they're just going to shoot at people holding a kitchen knife BECAUSE IT'S SO DANGEROUS, why are we paying them $150,000 a year?

Police in Greece? Yeah, they put their life on the line. Police in Rio? I'd agree. The officer in that picture puttign a trash bin between himself and a crazy man with a machete? That's risky.

And he's being paid handsomely to take on that risk.

Police in Ferguson? I don't see it.

Ok, so in other words you believe the police should place the well-being of the person with the knife attacking them above that of themselves and those around them.

Why?

 

[Badosh]

Old-Ass-Posting-Adosh. ;-)

oh...

 

[Flo_Evans]

Is the St. Louis County PD twitter an official account?

This is the fakest molotv I'v ever seen:

https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/501628755836559360

You can't be serious. A reporter was with them when they found this. Along with 2 pistols.

 

[Icanplaythat]

Is the St. Louis County PD twitter an official account?

This is the fakest molotv I'v ever seen:

https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/501628755836559360

In all fairness, they might be new to molotov cocktailing in Ferguson. One does not become a master overnight.

 

[jamesinclair]

Ok, so in other words you believe the police should place the well-being of the person with the knife attacking them above that of themselves and those around them.

Why?

Uh, yes?

What are we paying them for?

 

[JSizzle]

Oh please.

Wearing a seatbelt has no negative side effect. It is 100% beneficial.

KILLING SOMEONE has sort of a negative side effect, doesn it? You know, that theyre DEAD now.

Aren't we always told that "these poor officers put their life on the line"?

Really? If they're just going to shoot at people holding a kitchen knife BECAUSE IT'S SO DANGEROUS, why are we paying them $150,000 a year?

Police in Greece? Yeah, they put their life on the line. Police in Rio? I'd agree. The officer in that picture puttign a trash bin between himself and a crazy man with a machete? That's risky.

And he's being paid handsomely to take on that risk.

Police in Ferguson? I don't see it.

Where the fuck are police making 150k? Being a police officer is far from a high paying job.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Is the St. Louis County PD twitter an official account?

This is the fakest molotv I'v ever seen:

https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/501628755836559360

There is an official Molotov Cocktail TM???