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[jordan0386]

My uncle makes ~100k and he's NYPD. Doing overtime for private companies like Barnes n Nobles gets you paid

NYPD is the best city job. But I'd be spending most of my time locking up young black men.

I can't do it.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

If other countries are subverting potentially violent criminals without gunshots, we should strive to emulate them, not continuing to justify deadly force being the only option. Even if it's just one out of one hundred, that's one person who can maybe get help and turn their life around.

I'm trying to shift away from this bit of conversation, but I think the difficulty here is that it entails a hard conversation about whether police officers should be armed at all. And given current viewpoints about the Second Amendment in this country, I think it's pretty much a non-starter to suggest that we should take firearms out of the hands of police officers. Am I saying that I personally am against such a move? No. But I just think this dialogue will never get off the ground.

Why do I mention that we'd have to take guns away from officers? Because I think as long as that gun is holstered on their hip, it's going to be the go-to tool for any situation deemed remotely dangerous. In that image where the British police take down the guy with the machete armed only with batons? You think they'd keep their guns holstered in that scenario if they had them? Because I have my doubts.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

To be clear, what would be spun as acceptable would be the officer's account of being assaulted and then subsequently charged at. If a grand jury believes there's anything to the eyewitness accounts of Wilson firing on Brown after Brown surrendered and put his hands up, he's going to get charged. I don't even think the crazy, right-wingers who get their news exclusively from Fox News and Drudge would defend that. The argument in defense of Wilson hinges on the eyewitnesses reporting he surrendered being wrong and the narrative that Brown proceeded to charge at Wilson prevailing.

I think the distance he was away from the cop was pretty damning. In any case I think US cops are too quick to go their guns whether they're allowed to by law or not. All too often we see cops getting away with killing people that weren't really a threat because they were just doing what they were trained to do. Perhaps they need to rethink that training and approach things differently.

 

[soundahfekz]

I think he's just trying to say that Brown's character wasn't exactly a peach to begin with.



NYPD cops make 100k after 5 years, not including over time. Parts of NY make even more.

and if that's what he's saying, it wasn't RELEVANT to Brown's slaying, which as been said over and over again.

 

[Zoe]

I would disagree, I won't in this case, but in many other cases I would. Because we have technology available to the police that can stop people pretty easily without killing them. I don't understand why a gun needs to always be the first weapon used in police confrontations. If that gun the officer drew had been a taser the person might still be alive. Then again,I don't know much about the usefulness of tasers.

As mentioned before, you only have one chance to get off a ranged shot with a taser. People have also been able to power through tasers with adrenaline.

 

[Badosh]

I caught the last 5 seconds of a report on the radio about the other shooting.

From what I gathered it was a robbery with a knife somewhere in Ferguson and they shot him dead when he confronted officers? Is that right?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-kill-man-near-ferguson-crowd-gathers-n184216

 

[Owlowiscious]

If the story of them hearing about a robbery on the radio and if the person attacked because of overhearing that, wouldn't that make the robbery relevant? Weather or not it happened, but because it was reported and put on the cop's radio would make it relevant?

 

[jamesinclair]

I'm trying to shift away from this bit of conversation, but I think the difficulty here is that it entails a hard conversation about whether police officers should be armed at all. And given current viewpoints about the Second Amendment in this country, I think it's pretty much a non-starter to suggest that we should take firearms out of the hands of police officers. Am I saying that I personally am against such a move? No. But I just think this dialogue will never get off the ground.

Why do I mention that we'd have to take guns away from officers? Because I think as long as that gun is holstered on their hip, it's going to be the go-to tool for any situation deemed remotely dangerous. In that image where the British police take down the guy with the machete armed only with batons? You think they'd keep their guns holstered in that scenario if they had them? Because I have my doubts.

I think the best solution should absolutely be having a rifle in the car, and nothing on person. Cops in the US are always hovering around their gun. Its a dangerous paranoid mentality.

It pisses me off seeing cops with guns everywhere. Having lunch, at concerts, walking down the street. Fuck that. There is no need in 95% of the country.

 

[Jackpot]

This is the kind of reasoning I'm talking about.

"Wear a seatbelt, it's dangerous if you don't."

"Haha, I drove here without it on and nothing happened! Clearly it is not more dangerous!"

Except in the UK, it's not the exception, it's the rule.

Funnily enough the police there aren't being cut down by the dozen despite our high knife crime. Baton, taser and cs spray are more than enough.

 

[Renzoku]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-kill-man-near-ferguson-crowd-gathers-n184216

Thanks

 

[jordan0386]

exactly. Its not as if american criminals are more dangerous when they are holding a knife, than in other countries. It should be the attitude and the culture, to minimize as many unavoidable deaths as possible, even with suspects that have weapons. Again, the proof is in the facts that they are ruling civilians without shooting them all to death.

American cops without guns is stupid.Illegal guns are funneled all over the place. You're asking for more caskets when they infiltrate areas with just a flashlight.

To me a cop isn't threatening without his/her gun.

 

[commedieu]

If the story of them hearing about a robbery on the radio and if the person attacked because of overhearing that, wouldn't that make the robbery relevant? Weather or not it happened, but because it was reported and put on the cop's radio would make it relevant?

THe police chief said the officer didn't know of the robbery. Then theres another story about him hearing the robbery..

Choose whichever truth you want from a pd that beat a black man and charged him for property damage when they found out he was the wrong one.

American cops without guns is stupid.Illegal guns are funneled all over the place. You're asking for more caskets when they infiltrate areas with just a flashlight.

To me a cop isn't threatening without his/her gun.

Im not advocating gun-less police. Better training is needed to mirror the UK/Germany. The facts are on the table, other police departments work with drug trade/gun trades all just fine without shooting everyone in sight. Better training is needed for american police. Also, cameras need to be on all officers, as they've been shown to reduce crime and promote better policing (since they know people are watching). 1k per officer. Rialto PD is a great example of all of this. Between you and I, perhaps police don't need to be threatening? Again, we stick to the UK/Germany example. Maybe you're not supposed to feel threatened by police? But know that if it gets out of hand -- thats your ass. We are stuck with guns, but we need to throw cameras on police asap.

 

[highoffcoffee496]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Support grows for Darren Wilson, officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown

 

[Mully]

I think he's just trying to say that Brown's character wasn't exactly a peach to begin with.



NYPD cops make 100k after 5 years, not including over time. Parts of NY make even more.

Suffolk and Nassau County (just east of NYC) can make upwards of $150K through overtime after a handful of years. NYPD make about 80K after 7 years.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

If I have anything incorrectly described let me know and I'll change it

If there are any other testimonies which I forgot let me know and I'll add them


But for the most part the only testimony that is not anything like the others is Wilson's. Of the two most relevant witnesses (Wilson and Dorian), for the most part Dorian's version seems to be backed up the most, while parts of Wilson's testimony seems to be at extreme odds with what pretty much every witness is saying happened.


Wilson's account of the events. Told by a friend of his wife, but sources have said that it is identical to what Wilson is saying

• Wilson told Brown and Dorian to get out of the street, they refused
• He may or may not have called for back-up at this point
• He pulled his car ahead of them and gets a call that someone stole some cigars.
• He notices Mike has what may be stolen cigars
• He opens his car door, one of the young men slams the door closed, believed to be Mike
• He opens his door again and stands up, Mike bum rushes him and punches him
• Wilson goes for his gun, Mike grabs it and at one point has it turned at Wilson's hip and Wilson shoves it away and it goes off
• Mike and Dorian begin to run
• They get 35 feet away and Wilson yells "Freeze!"
• Mike and Dorian turn around
• Mike begin to taunt Wilson "What are you gonna do?" "You're not gonna shoot me."
• Mike then bum rushes Wilson a 2nd time Wilson then opens fire
• Mike continues to rush at him while being hit
• Wilson believes Mike was "on something"
• The last shot was to Mike's forehead which finally stopped him and he collpased 2-3 feet in front of Wilson

Dorian Johnson's version of the events

• He and Mike were walking down the street
• Wilson pulled up and said "Get the fuck on the sidewalk"
• They told the officer that they were about a minute from their destination and they'd be out of the street
• Wilson went on his way for a moment
• Wilson then reversed his car that almost hit Mike and Dorian, blocking both lanes
• Wilson threw his door open, but he was so close to Dorian and Mike that it hit them and flung back shut
• Wilson became upset at that point
• Wilson then reaches out of the window and grabs Mike's neck
• Mike tries to get away, Wilson then grabs him by the arm
• Wilson draws his weapon says "I'll shoot you" and the first shot goes off
• 'He' is shot and is bleeding
• Mike and Dorian run
• Dorian hid and Mike kept running
• Mike implored Dorian to run for his life
• Office gets out of the car and pursued Mike with his gun drawn
• He shot again and Mike turns around with his hands up
• Wilson continues to fire
• Dorian then runs away from the scene

-Says Mike never struck the officer and never reached for his gun



Tiffany Mitchell's testimony of the events

• Arrived when Brown and Wilson were tussling through the window of the cruiser
• Looked like Brown was pulling away and WIlson was trying to pull him in
• A shot was fired through the window, Mike and Dorian take off
• Wilson gets out of the vehicle and follows Mike while shooting
• Mike's body jerks as if he were hit
• Mike turns around and puts his hands up, Wilson continues to fire until Mike Collapses

-Says she never saw Mike reach for Wilson's weapon



Piaget Crenshaw's testimony of the events @ 3 minutes

• Wilson was trying to pull Brown into the car
• Brown breaks away, Wilson begins chasing him and shooting at him
• No bullets hit him, but may have grazed him
• Mike turned around after being fired at, Wilson continues to fire until Mike falls

Unknown witness recounts events

• Cop threw the door open, it hits Mike, swings back and hits Wilson
• Wilson fires from his vehicle
• Wilson gets out of the car
• Mike surrenders on his knees and Wilson shoots him
• Wilson then walked up to his downed body and fired more while he was down

Unknown woman testimony

• Wilson fired at Mike from within the vehicle
• Mike had his hands when Wilson fired at him
• When Mike was on the ground Wilson fired on him some more

Twitter account of the events by @TheePharoah

• First tweet "I just saw someone die omfg"
• Im about to hyperventilate
• fuckfuck fuck -pic of two officers near Brown's body-
• -lots of reactionary tweets with no relevant info-
• The first two was clear, then it was a barage of them shits
• Answer to 'Why did they shoot him?" - "no reason! He was running!"
• Answer to "So the boys shot him?" - "Yea man. 7 times I think"
• Answer to "From Behind?" - "The first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around"

 

[Figboy79]

I am aware. Though I'm also aware he didn't deserve to be gunned down for a shove. I'm talking about the language used when describing the incident, which was so minor the shop owner, you know, the guy he 'roughed up' didn't call the cops or want to press charges.

'Strong Arm Robbery' and 'roughing up the clerk' bring to mind something quite a bit more serious than what actually happened: which was basically shoplifting with the owner getting pushed out of the way.

But, Fiction, the guy was black! I know for a fact that when interacting with non-blacks, I have a +15 modifier to intimidation and epic shout, and my natural athleticism is boosted by at least 3 times. If I were to shake a non-blacks hand, I could literally crush every bone in it, and the resulting shockwave could rip you apart.

That above gif isn't a shop or edited in any way. This really happened, and that poor muscly white guy lost his arm, and I think died.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I'm trying to shift away from this bit of conversation, but I think the difficulty here is that it entails a hard conversation about whether police officers should be armed at all. And given current viewpoints about the Second Amendment in this country, I think it's pretty much a non-starter to suggest that we should take firearms out of the hands of police officers. Am I saying that I personally am against such a move? No. But I just think this dialogue will never get off the ground.

Why do I mention that we'd have to take guns away from officers? Because I think as long as that gun is holstered on their hip, it's going to be the go-to tool for any situation deemed remotely dangerous. In that image where the British police take down the guy with the machete armed only with batons? You think they'd keep their guns holstered in that scenario if they had them? Because I have my doubts.

I understand, and I'm sorry for the slight derail. I just think this line of thought is relevant to the current discussion. Maybe if deadly force wasn't the go to answer every time an officer pulls out their firearm, we wouldn't have situations where unarmed kids are being gunned down in the streets.

I'd love to explore this idea more though, so someone please feel free to make a thread.

 

[Malyse]

I'm trying to shift away from this bit of conversation, but I think the difficulty here is that it entails a hard conversation about whether police officers should be armed at all. And given current viewpoints about the Second Amendment in this country, I think it's pretty much a non-starter to suggest that we should take firearms out of the hands of police officers. Am I saying that I personally am against such a move? No. But I just think this dialogue will never get off the ground.

Why do I mention that we'd have to take guns away from officers? Because I think as long as that gun is holstered on their hip, it's going to be the go-to tool for any situation deemed remotely dangerous. In that image where the British police take down the guy with the machete armed only with batons? You think they'd keep their guns holstered in that scenario if they had them? Because I have my doubts.

As a person who has owned guns, it's frightening how quickly you'll mentallly jump to shooting as conflict resolution. Hammer, nail, ect.

 

[Icanplaythat]

http://www1.salary.com/MO/Saint-Louis/police-officer-salary.html

Median appears to be 51K for the county, 35K low end and 69K high end.

 

[commedieu]

found footage of the bum rush:

 

[Badosh]

http://www.clickhole.com/article/10...ult&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_source=facebook

Race is complicated, but one thing remains true: An arrest transcends skin color. Need proof? Just look at these touching, honest displays of physical coercion taken from Ferguson, Missouri that are bridging the racial divide.

To long post: damn, gg.

 

[Angelus Errare]

If I have anything incorrectly described let me know and I'll change it

If there are any other testimonies which I forgot let me know and I'll add them


But for the most part the only testimony that is not anything like the others is Wilson's. Of the two most relevant witnesses (Wilson and Dorian), for the most part Dorian's version seems to be backed up the most, while parts of Wilson's testimony seems to be at extreme odds with what pretty much every witness is saying happened.


Wilson's account of the events. Told by a friend of his wife, but sources have said that it is identical to what Wilson is saying

• Wilson told Brown and Dorian to get out of the street, they refused
• He may or may not have called for back-up at this point
• He pulled his car ahead of them and gets a call that someone stole some cigars.
• He notices Mike has what may be stolen cigars
• He opens his car door, one of the young men slams the door closed, believed to be Mike
• He opens his door again and stands up, Mike bum rushes him and punches him
• Wilson goes for his gun, Mike grabs it and at one point has it turned at Wilson's hip and Wilson shoves it away and it goes off
• Mike and Dorian begin to run
• They get 35 feet away and Wilson yells "Freeze!"
• Mike and Dorian turn around
• Mike begin to taunt Wilson "What are you gonna do?" "You're not gonna shoot me."
• Mike then bum rushes Wilson a 2nd time Wilson then opens fire
• Mike continues to rush at him while being hit
• Wilson believes Mike was "on something"
• The last shot was to Mike's forehead which finally stopped him and he collpased 2-3 feet in front of Wilson

Dorian Johnson's version of the events

• He and Mike were walking down the street
• Wilson pulled up and said "Get the fuck on the sidewalk"
• They told the officer that they were about a minute from their destination and they'd be out of the street
• Wilson went on his way for a moment
• Wilson then reversed his car that almost hit Mike and Dorian, blocking both lanes
• Wilson threw his door open, but he was so close to Dorian and Mike that it hit them and flung back shut
• Wilson became upset at that point
• Wilson then reaches out of the window and grabs Mike's neck
• Mike tries to get away, Wilson then grabs him by the arm
• Wilson draws his weapon says "I'll shoot you" and the first shot goes off
• 'He' is shot and is bleeding
• Mike and Dorian run
• Dorian hid and Mike kept running
• Mike implored Dorian to run for his life
• Office gets out of the car and pursued Mike with his gun drawn
• He shot again and Mike turns around with his hands up
• Wilson continues to fire
• Dorian then runs away from the scene

-Says Mike never struck the officer and never reached for his gun



Tiffany Mitchell's testimony of the events

• Arrived when Brown and Wilson were tussling through the window of the cruiser
• Looked like Brown was pulling away and WIlson was trying to pull him in
• A shot was fired through the window, Mike and Dorian take off
• Wilson gets out of the vehicle and follows Mike while shooting
• Mike's body jerks as if he were hit
• Mike turns around and puts his hands up, Wilson continues to fire until Mike Collapses

-Says she never saw Mike reach for Wilson's weapon



Piaget Crenshaw's testimony of the events @ 3 minutes

• Wilson was trying to pull Brown into the car
• Brown breaks away, Wilson begins chasing him and shooting at him
• No bullets hit him, but may have grazed him
• Mike turned around after being fired at, Wilson continues to fire until Mike falls

Unknown witness recounts events

• Cop threw the door open, it hits Mike, swings back and hits Wilson
• Wilson fires from his vehicle
• Wilson gets out of the car
• Mike surrenders on his knees and Wilson shoots him
• Wilson then walked up to his downed body and fired more while he was down

Unknown woman testimony

• Wilson fired at Mike from within the vehicle
• Mike had his hands when Wilson fired at him
• When Mike was on the ground Wilson fired on him some more

Twitter account of the events by @TheePharoah

• First tweet "I just saw someone die omfg"
• Im about to hyperventilate
• fuckfuck fuck -pic of two officers near Brown's body-
• -lots of reactionary tweets with no relevant info-
• The first two was clear, then it was a barage of them shits
• Answer to 'Why did they shoot him?" - "no reason! He was running!"
• Answer to "So the boys shot him?" - "Yea man. 7 times I think"
• Answer to "From Behind?" - "The first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around"

Good stuff.

 

[theignoramus]

That testimony from Wilson makes him seem like a 100% faultless victim and Brown an animal like brute.
Reminds me of those Hollywood style quotes that supposedly came out of Trayvon Martin's mouth during his confrontation with George Zimmerman.
I called bullshit on the latter and do so on the former.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

big post

Wait, so Jocie's heresay is claiming that Brown was still rushing Wilson as he was getting hit?

 

[Corronchilejano]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pr1oE34bIM

This video claims there is a second witness claiming that Brown doubled back. Has anyone seen the original video in question?

This guy grasps straws real hard.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Protests in clayton (prosecutors office)

I'm torn. Free speech, right to assemble. But I kind of hope people just avoid going back to ferguson tonight.

 

[BronsonLee]

That testimony from Wilson makes him seem like a 100% faultless victim and Brown an animal like brute.
Reminds me of those Hollywood style quotes that supposedly came out of Trayvon Martin's mouth during his confrontation with George Zimmerman.

The worst part of it all? It's not even him telling his testimony. We're getting it from someone else, third hand.

 

[ced]

You're missing the conversation heard in a video right after the shooting, it's been posted a lot.

 

[Prologue]

and if that's what he's saying, it wasn't RELEVANT to Brown's slaying, which as been said over and over again.

Sometimes its hard for people to separate the two, especially when theres footage of Brown robbing and assaulting a store owner(half his size) for some cigars on the same day. Guy pushed him around like a rag doll. People doubt how the incident played out because of what Brown did before.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Fancy lawyer GAF disagrees:




Check the link in the OP. Best quick rundown of events that I've seen so far.

Been searching, thanks.

And it may not be a distinct chargeable crime, but it *is* standard nomenclature, which is my point. I saw the post you quoted previously.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Wait, so Jocie's heresay is claiming that Brown was still rushing Wilson as he was getting hit?

Yes, she said that Wilson described it as "unbelievable" which led him to believe that Mike was probably "on something"

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Does Ferguson not give their cops tasers? The new situation makes it seems that way.

 

[Garcia Hotspur]

Fucking again. The law enforcement dude on CNN just stated, "No protestors were harmed, no rioters were harmed, and most importantly no police officers harmed." WTF!!

 

[KHarvey16]

I think a more generalized discussion about the use of force by police is more relevant to the Brown shooting, so I hope continuing to discuss is ok. If not this'll be the end.

As I said, waving and threatening immediate and approximate danger to police = kill the dude.. However, there are many instances in our media and with our justice system where the same excuse is used for a different scenario where there isn't an immediate threat to the officer, or folks near by. The focus seems to be killing versus getting this person in front of a jury. Its making up an excuse for paid vacation and community service. So I'd love for police to be able to show more restraint, like in Germany/UK -- as a trend of the overall justice system. Not just a select group of officers.

I wouldn't agree with the use of deadly force in any case an officer or a civilian were not in danger. The lens for judging that danger should be the same as it is for any case of justified use of deadly force: was it a reasonable belief that the danger was real. If an officer reasonably believes it, it should be justified. If not, it shouldn't be.

If protect and serve means "Protect and serve but only when I can do so without my life being in danger", that just reinforces the idea that cops aren't doing some selfless job that needs to be lauded constantly. It's just a career choice, one in which they have more rights than you.

If other countries are subverting potentially violent criminals without gunshots, we should strive to emulate them, not continuing to justify deadly force being the only option. Even if it's just one out of one hundred, that's one person who can maybe get help and turn their life around.

Using deadly force in the face of deadly force is certainly not affording police more rights than the civilian, as anyone would be justified in responding the same.

My argument is not that everyone being a danger should be killed, it's that killing someone who is a life-threatening danger to officers or civilians is not wrong just because it may be possible with the right equipment or desire to put one's self in more danger in exchange for the suspect's life.

Do we even know what the statistics are for situations in which a person has a weapon and is confronted by police and killed versus being apprehended? Obviously the US has more cases of people being killed by police than most countries, but the US also clearly has more incidents involving police confronting people with weapons.

I would disagree, I won't in this case, but in many other cases I would. Because we have technology available to the police that can stop people pretty easily without killing them. I don't understand why a gun needs to always be the first weapon used in police confrontations. If that gun the officer drew had been a taser the person might still be alive. Then again,I don't know much about the usefulness of tasers.

With regard to a person with a knife it's not optimal for protecting anyone.

Except in the UK, it's not the exception, it's the rule.

Funnily enough the police there aren't being cut down by the dozen despite our high knife crime. Baton, taser and cs spray are more than enough.

How many instances did the police face in which a suspect was confronted with a knife and attacked?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

If I have anything incorrectly described let me know and I'll change it

If there are any other testimonies which I forgot let me know and I'll add them


But for the most part the only testimony that is not anything like the others is Wilson's. Of the two most relevant witnesses (Wilson and Dorian), for the most part Dorian's version seems to be backed up the most, while parts of Wilson's testimony seems to be at extreme odds with what pretty much every witness is saying happened.


Wilson's account of the events. Told by a friend of his wife, but sources have said that it is identical to what Wilson is saying

• Wilson told Brown and Dorian to get out of the street, they refused
• He may or may not have called for back-up at this point
• He pulled his car ahead of them and gets a call that someone stole some cigars.
• He notices Mike has what may be stolen cigars
• He opens his car door, one of the young men slams the door closed, believed to be Mike
• He opens his door again and stands up, Mike bum rushes him and punches him
• Wilson goes for his gun, Mike grabs it and at one point has it turned at Wilson's hip and Wilson shoves it away and it goes off
• Mike and Dorian begin to run
• They get 35 feet away and Wilson yells "Freeze!"
• Mike and Dorian turn around
• Mike begin to taunt Wilson "What are you gonna do?" "You're not gonna shoot me."
• Mike then bum rushes Wilson a 2nd time Wilson then opens fire
• Mike continues to rush at him while being hit
• Wilson believes Mike was "on something"
• The last shot was to Mike's forehead which finally stopped him and he collpased 2-3 feet in front of Wilson

Dorian Johnson's version of the events

• He and Mike were walking down the street
• Wilson pulled up and said "Get the fuck on the sidewalk"
• They told the officer that they were about a minute from their destination and they'd be out of the street
• Wilson went on his way for a moment
• Wilson then reversed his car that almost hit Mike and Dorian, blocking both lanes
• Wilson threw his door open, but he was so close to Dorian and Mike that it hit them and flung back shut
• Wilson became upset at that point
• Wilson then reaches out of the window and grabs Mike's neck
• Mike tries to get away, Wilson then grabs him by the arm
• Wilson draws his weapon says "I'll shoot you" and the first shot goes off
• 'He' is shot and is bleeding
• Mike and Dorian run
• Dorian hid and Mike kept running
• Mike implored Dorian to run for his life
• Office gets out of the car and pursued Mike with his gun drawn
• He shot again and Mike turns around with his hands up
• Wilson continues to fire
• Dorian then runs away from the scene

-Says Mike never struck the officer and never reached for his gun



Tiffany Mitchell's testimony of the events

• Arrived when Brown and Wilson were tussling through the window of the cruiser
• Looked like Brown was pulling away and WIlson was trying to pull him in
• A shot was fired through the window, Mike and Dorian take off
• Wilson gets out of the vehicle and follows Mike while shooting
• Mike's body jerks as if he were hit
• Mike turns around and puts his hands up, Wilson continues to fire until Mike Collapses

-Says she never saw Mike reach for Wilson's weapon



Piaget Crenshaw's testimony of the events @ 3 minutes

• Wilson was trying to pull Brown into the car
• Brown breaks away, Wilson begins chasing him and shooting at him
• No bullets hit him, but may have grazed him
• Mike turned around after being fired at, Wilson continues to fire until Mike falls

Unknown witness recounts events

• Cop threw the door open, it hits Mike, swings back and hits Wilson
• Wilson fires from his vehicle
• Wilson gets out of the car
• Mike surrenders on his knees and Wilson shoots him
• Wilson then walked up to his downed body and fired more while he was down

Unknown woman testimony

• Wilson fired at Mike from within the vehicle
• Mike had his hands when Wilson fired at him
• When Mike was on the ground Wilson fired on him some more

Twitter account of the events by @TheePharoah

• First tweet "I just saw someone die omfg"
• Im about to hyperventilate
• fuckfuck fuck -pic of two officers near Brown's body-
• -lots of reactionary tweets with no relevant info-
• The first two was clear, then it was a barage of them shits
• Answer to 'Why did they shoot him?" - "no reason! He was running!"
• Answer to "So the boys shot him?" - "Yea man. 7 times I think"
• Answer to "From Behind?" - "The first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around"

All of those have added or subtracted info, but they all end with Mike surrendering.

Except for Wilson. Which makes it sound like he was fighting the Hulk.

 

[TriniTrin]

Yes, she said that Wilson described it as "unbelievable" which led him to believe that Mike was probably "on something"

Toxicology report probably didn't come out did it? Maybe the guy was like Nic Cage in Con Air

Hard to believe that someone shot would keep charging, or that he would face up with an officer and say "you ain't gonna shoot me" then RUN AT THE OFFICER WHO HAS THE GUN POINTED AT HIM...

No sense at all I tell ya

 

[EdibleKnife]

Thanks for the compilation Moris

Wilson's account of the events. Told by a friend of his wife, but sources have said that it is identical to what Wilson is saying

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  [*] He pulled his car ahead of them and gets a call that someone stole some cigars.
  [*] He notices Mike has what may be stolen cigars
  [*] They get 35 feet away and Wilson yells "Freeze!"
  [*] Mike and Dorian turn around
  [*] Mike begin to taunt Wilson "What are you gonna do?" "You're not gonna shoot me."

OK. What at all of this. Wasn't it stated previously that the cop knew jack all about a robbery or cigarettes? Also why the fuck would anyone run, turn, taunt, and rush at a cop with a gun? That's PCP level shit.

 

[TheOMan]

Some of you may be familiar with the JL8 comic (I came across it here on GAF).

Well, the guy that created and writes it apparently posted his opinion on Facebook about the events in Ferguson and stated that he believes the police have been acting inappropriately. He decided to do a charity wallpaper as well.

As a result, his Mom has been receiving threatening phone calls and others are making up stories about him sending graphic photos of women in the industry.

See more details here: https://www.facebook.com/jl8comiclol?fref=ts

What is the matter with some people???? Ridiculous.

 

[FamousLastX]

Toxicology report probably didn't come out did it? Maybe the guy was like Nic Cage in Con Air

Hard to believe that someone shot would keep charging, or that he would face up with an officer and say "you ain't gonna shoot me" then RUN AT THE OFFICER WHO HAS THE GUN POINTED AT HIM...

No sense at all I tell ya

Toxicology alledgly leaked (no real verification as far as I know) that showed only marijuana in his system, which I think everyone here knows doesn't make you act like that.

 

[TheJLC]

Fucking again. The law enforcement dude on CNN just stated, "No protestors were harmed, no rioters were harmed, and most importantly no police officers harmed." WTF!!

That's how it has always been. An officer's life is considered extremely important as he is a representative of the law. Just as if an officer were to talk about protestors, police, and the President. The one with more legal power would take importance over the rest.

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

Toxicology report probably didn't come out did it? Maybe the guy was like Nic Cage in Con Air

Hard to believe that someone shot would keep charging, or that he would face up with an officer and say "you ain't gonna shoot me" then RUN AT THE OFFICER WHO HAS THE GUN POINTED AT HIM...

No sense at all I tell ya

Perhaps you missed the WaPo article where an anonymous source close to the case said Brown had weed

Spoiler

laced with the super solider serum

in his system

 

[mre]

Does Ferguson not give their cops tasers? The new situation makes it seems that way.

I think this latest incident did not happen in Ferguson, but Ferguson chooses not to equip their cop cars with dash cams, so I would wager they don't provide their officers with tasers, either.

 

[abuC]

Multiple people talking about the shooting right after it happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20RW9qjRfn8#t=30

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

OK. What at all of this. Wasn't it stated previously that the cop knew jack all about a robbery or cigarettes? Also why the fuck would anyone run, turn, taunt, and rush at a cop with a gun? That's PCP level shit.

Every witness' account ends with Brown surrendering, except Wilson's, which reads like a John Carpenter/80s Slasher film treatment.

 

[TheJLC]

I think this latest incident did not happen in Ferguson, but Ferguson chooses not to equip their cop cars with dash cams, so I would wager they don't provide their officers with tasers, either.

Yup, happened in St. Louis not Ferguson.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Yes, she said that Wilson described it as "unbelievable" which led him to believe that Mike was probably "on something"

Must have been watching the movie Con Air.

 

[CornDogg]

Are Anon members allowed to post here...?!?!?

;-)

I can also confirm Nixon makes $133,820 a year.

Nixon = doxed!

Spoiler

http://mapyourtaxes.mo.gov/MAP/Employees/Employee/EmployeeDetails.aspx?last=Nixon&first=&agency=0&row=35912&year=2014

 

[HerbertFish]

Taking away guns from police, I think chicago would last a day

 

[TheJLC]

Taking away guns from police, I think chicago would last a day

Probably only a few hours seeing as how Officers here are running to and from crime scene all day long.

 

[BlackJet]

Another person shot that IMO didn't have to be. He has a knife sure. But why can't they use batons or tasers. Why is it always shoot to kill?

Edit: Apparently officer safety is the most important and they have a right to defend themselves. Wow.

Tasers have to be reloaded after each shot. If the officer somehow misses them, then that person would already be on top of them by the time the cartridge is replaced. Using a baton is out of the question.

I don't understand why you think officers shouldn't be able to defend themselves. They don't lose the right to self defense just because they're police.