TheAbsolution
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Powerful post. Its so true too.shop owner who got his place torched
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Nappuccino
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God, I hope it will be. It's a message that many need to see.
Icanplaythat
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Stream update:
Credit to Nabs for new links.
http://m.ustream.tv/channel/feelinsofly (PandaUnite.org)
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930 (I am Mike Brown Live from Ferguson, MO)
http://m.ustream.tv/channel/filmthepoliceportland (Film the Police)
https://news.vice.com/article/live-from-ferguson-missouri (Tim/Vice-no comment section) Not currently live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmqHVKNZkhM (Tim/Vice via YouTube-same as above) Not currently live.
CNN
MSNBC
KDSK local Must disable adblocker. Not currently live.
KTVI local
FOXNEWS
More as they come.
If the CNN or MSNBC stream goes out for you on livenewschat.eu, don't refresh, go back to the previous page. After about an hour or two that site sends you to a new page, just go back. If you refresh and dont go back, you will be refreshing the wrong page, be aware of the url.
Credit to Nabs for new links.
http://m.ustream.tv/channel/feelinsofly (PandaUnite.org)
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930 (I am Mike Brown Live from Ferguson, MO)
http://m.ustream.tv/channel/filmthepoliceportland (Film the Police)
https://news.vice.com/article/live-from-ferguson-missouri (Tim/Vice-no comment section) Not currently live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmqHVKNZkhM (Tim/Vice via YouTube-same as above) Not currently live.
CNN
MSNBC
KDSK local Must disable adblocker. Not currently live.
KTVI local
FOXNEWS
More as they come.
If the CNN or MSNBC stream goes out for you on livenewschat.eu, don't refresh, go back to the previous page. After about an hour or two that site sends you to a new page, just go back. If you refresh and dont go back, you will be refreshing the wrong page, be aware of the url.
MorisUkunRasik
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Clutch Icanplaythat, thanks bro.
timetokill
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shop owner who got his place torched
Damn. Great message.
Ha, that happened to me. I thought the stream was down for the last couple hours but it turned out I was on the wrong darn page. Maddow is on MSNBC right now, glad it's working.
TheAbsolution
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Thanks to you too. You're doing good work keeping us updated.
Nabs
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justified agitator ‏@Awkward_Duck 4m
Residents are growing more and more frustrated with the increase in police and military presence. #ferguson
justified agitator ‏@Awkward_Duck 4m
Businesses are closing hours early. Entire neighborhoods blocked. Police checkpoints where ID is being asked. #Ferguson
Residents are growing more and more frustrated with the increase in police and military presence. #ferguson
justified agitator ‏@Awkward_Duck 4m
Businesses are closing hours early. Entire neighborhoods blocked. Police checkpoints where ID is being asked. #Ferguson
Bam Bam Baklava
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Police ID checks? Can anyone confirm?
Wow. The fact that a man who was negatively affected by this can understand why its happening and the peoples cause speaks volumes about the people who speak negatively about the protestersshop owner who got his place torched
That was reported live on VICE's stream last night. The only way some people were let through to their homes and through certain check points was to show ID with local addresses.
jim-jam bongs
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MorisUkunRasik
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Not that I've seen
ErasureAcer
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Feelingsofly having a good interview with a protester in some big march to the police station.
Holy fuck.
Nabs
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This is what people need to be watching instead of cable tv.
MorisUkunRasik
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Is he the only witness doing so? That sounds crazy, is that part of his union contract or something?
Puppet Shadow
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Is this unusual? Sorry, not familiar with the US
Why wouldn't the grand jury compel him to testify? And why would someone see this is a bad thing? They're conducting an investigation.
What's wrong with this?
The purpose of the grand jury is to indict or not. If he is indicted, he is then charged.
Seems perfectly normal.
Carnby
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shop owner who got his place torched
I don't agree with this at all. This guy can speak for himself.
As long as the 4 eye witnesses are afforded the same courtesy. Just seems weird that this guy is going to get to sob on a stand and defend himself before possibly having to defend himself.
Please... go on..
Brolic Gaoler
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Grand jury decides if there is enough evidence to go ahead with a trial/issue criminal charges. I'm guessing his account falls into the evidence pile as will others.
Mattlikewhoa
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shop owner who got his place torched
This is some powerful stuff...
Carnby
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I really don't have anything else to add. I don't agree with it. And he can speak for himself.
Puppet Shadow
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Any particular part, or all of it?
I'm assuming the others would as well, if not that seems fucked up.
Because it feels like passing the buck a bit. I don't know if it's part of the union contract or if it's normal, but as someone who isn't sure it feels like they're just trying to shift the responsibility. Instead of charging him right away, they're putting the burden on the grand jury. So if the grand jury decides not to indict, they get most of the fallout. Again, this is from my uninformed perspective.
shop owner who got his place torched
Amazing. Everyone should be reading this.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Yeah can someone explain what difference it makes to those of us who aren't in the US?
Nabs
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feelinsofly got another great interview going
the only negative is that he addresses the chat trolls too often. luckily, no one he's interviewing takes offense to it.
the only negative is that he addresses the chat trolls too often. luckily, no one he's interviewing takes offense to it.
Empathy is a great thing.
Huh?
Cranky, I like you, but I don't think you understand how a Grand Jury works.
The grand jury can subpoena witnesses to testify.
He will be testifying to what he saw during the shooting, not defending himself.
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq9.htm
He can't be compelled to testify to the grand jury. Fifth Amendment and all. I'm not a criminal lawyer but I've never heard of the accused testifying before a grand jury. There'd be no advantage. The grand jury process involves only the prosecution putting on its case.
A grand jury looks at evidence and determines of there is enough to take it to trial.
Then a trial jury sits on the actual trial and comes up with the final verdict.
Well in most instances 'both sides are wrong' is usually true.
It is perfectly possible for this shooting to justifiable under the current standards while also seriously questioning those standards.
The drug war and the resultant militarization of police is a serious problem in this country, but I'm not willing to put all that heat on one officer if he acted with reasonable fear for his life. That is a systematic societal failure, not the crime of one man.
I'll chime in since I don't want him speaking for me either. I agree with everything he said, but although their rage is justified, I don't believe their actions are (burning down that guys business).
I don't think I agree with that because I don't ever want to find myself at the end of a sword because somebody is mad at something that has nothing to do with me or my life.
I think he gives the accurate and truthful diagnosis of US society and the discrimination/marginalization of Black people. And I think many, many people either aren't aware of this accurate diagnosis or don't want to face the hurtful truth because of various reasons.
The fact that many people in the US still don't get the root causes of why oppressed people react the way they do is so, so, so tragic.
Having the accused able to testify at this point may color the opinions of the Grand Jury on the possibility of conviction, and therefore may result in charges being dropped (or being brought) that would not otherwise have happened from the (supposedly unbiased) evidence.
Am I understanding that correctly?
I like you too, but the way they worded this sounded like a courtesy to him to defend himself.
shop owner who got his place torched
Where is that from?
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