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[Eusis]

I wasn't saying he should ignore being hacked and having his personal information distributed for the world to see. I was referring to his prior conduct. The guy was very confrontational. Remember when he "quit" the video games industry? And when he said that we don't deserve Fez 2?

Point there admittedly. Granted I really don't think one should underestimate the effects of online harassment (well, harassment in general) but I'd think shutting down most venues of public communication would've been more practical.

Though I didn't even know he had unannounced projects he just casually canceled. Uhh, wow.

 

[Gattsu25]

Just want to restate these points again in one easy-to-read list, because apparently about once per page isn't enough:

1. CloudFlare is not the host of the Polytron website. It is a CDN / caching layer that many websites use for different reasons. When you look up the host of a CloudFlare-enabled site, it will come back as CloudFlare regardless of the actual host.

2. No one needed access to CloudFlare in order to access the Polytron web server. They just needed FTP or web admin credentials, which they apparently had.

3. Two-factor authentication is not even mandatory on CloudFlare like that imgur says it is.

4. The dox archive was not from the Polytron web server anyway, it was from the Polytron corporate Dropbox which was also hacked (and likely the vector of all the other attacks).

5. The idea that if Polytron's Twitter was hacked, Phil's must also magically be hacked just doesn't hold water. It's possible Phil set up extra security on his own account as a result of seeing Zoe and others get hacked and doxxed but didn't bother or remember to do it on the Polytron account as well.

Every single point about how this must have been a false flag is easily debunked with facts and logic. But whatever, people will keep believing what they want to believe.

Also, the hacked archive was uploaded to a remote site.

People who believe this false flag thing... *sigh*

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Also, the hacked archive was uploaded to a remote site.

People who believe this false flag thing... *sigh*

But I don't like him and lying about this is precisely the sort of thing someone I don't like would do.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

So people concluded the last bit of info about cloudfare was false now prove this false.
http://i.imgur.com/MeGXT73.png

I'm not saying I think it's true I'm just saying point out inconsistencies like before.

 

[Orayn]

So people concluded the last bit of info about cloudfare was false now prove this false.
http://i.imgur.com/MeGXT73.png

I'm not saying I think it's true I'm just saying point out inconsistencies like before.

"I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying I believe it and putting the burden of proof on you to disprove these dubious claims that I''m still somehow not saying are true."

That is the correct way of doing things and you are making a sound argument.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

"I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying I believe it and putting the burden of proof on you to disprove these dubious claims that I''m still somehow not saying are true."

That is the correct way of doing things and you are making a sound argument.

You're a fast reader.

 

[APF]

I'm not saying I think it's true I'm just saying point out inconsistencies like before.

http://www.911truth.org/

 

[Orayn]

You're a fast reader.

I read it, it's a crappy argument from incredulity.

"Well, nobody uses FAT32 anymore so this is suspicious."

That's not making a case for anything. It hinges on one person's perception of how likely it is for the breach to have involved a certain file system.

EDIT: Also, Apple's Time Capsule backup systems use FAT32. The files being taken from a networked Time Capsule drive is a perfectly plausible scenario.

 

[patjburns89]

Also, the hacked archive was uploaded to a remote site.

People who believe this false flag thing... *sigh*

It's amazing how much lack of awareness these people who are so warped by their hatred of people with progressive beliefs. They may not be the majority, but they're the loudest and lowest of the low.

The hoops needed to jump through to believe this stuff...my god.

What a depressing last two weeks it has been in games.

 

[Cmagus]

So he is selling his company and the rights to Fez now? That really sucks, too bad he should just hold onto Fez at least and work on it quietly.

 

[Hackworth]

@Cmagus: I think that was fake because of the hack. Idk tho.

You're a fast reader.

They're using the file storage type to argue that the data wasn't directly ripped from the polytron pc and therefore must be fake because Phil Fish.

As most people are not as stupid as 4chan thinks they are, all this tells us is the data was likely saved onto an external hd before being uploaded.

Assuming, of course, this isn't some nerd on /v/ making shit up to slake the hivemind, which has never happened ever. Ever.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

So people concluded the last bit of info about cloudfare was false now prove this false.
http://i.imgur.com/MeGXT73.png

I'm not saying I think it's true I'm just saying point out inconsistencies like before.

Do you understand the significance of these findings? Can you summarize and provide context for these posts you're referencing? Because putting in that kind of effort to explain why this might need debunking would make your presentation seem more in good faith than just posting something without any context and saying "here's something else to disprove."

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

This along with the Zoe Quinn thing is making me hate a lot of the people associated with my hobby. Thanks to the mindless fuck heads that have perpetrated this feeling.

 

[RoadHazard]

While he seems to be quite the asshole, this of course really sucks if true. I have to wonder how it even happens though. How do you get so thoroughly hacked? Did he use the same password everywhere, or what? That's stupid of him if so, you're just begging to get your shit fucked up if you do that. If he didn't, I don't understand how this happened. One account, sure. Shit gets hacked. But all this?

And what banking details have been posted (I haven't actually checked any of the links)? Just some account numbers? Well, what's the big deal with that? I could post my account numbers right here, and you couldn't do anything bad with them. All you could really do is give me money if you were so inclined. Or was his banking login posted? Still, with just that nobody should be able to do any actual damage, right? Or are US banks so damn insecure that you can clean out an account with just the login details? That's not possible with Swedish banks. If I log into my bank with just my password all I can do is transfer money between my own accounts. If I want to do anything more serious than that I have to login using much more secure methods.

 

[Krejlooc]

"I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying I believe it and putting the burden of proof on you to disprove these dubious claims that I''m still somehow not saying are true."

That is the correct way of doing things and you are making a sound argument.

I think the dude you're quoting is saying "hey people are saying this now, but it seems fishy, and I don't have the ability to debunk it, anybody mind helping me out so I can spread it around?"

At least that's how I read it.

 

[Quote]

So people concluded the last bit of info about cloudfare was false now prove this false.
http://i.imgur.com/MeGXT73.png

I'm not saying I think it's true I'm just saying point out inconsistencies like before.

Just about every flash drive is formatted by default as FAT32 because it's the most compatible out of the box with decades worth of computers.

Maybe USB 3.0 flash drives are formatted to ExFAT but I doubt it.

 

[TheHollowNight]

While he seems to be quite the asshole, this of course really sucks if true. I have to wonder how it even happens though. How do you get so thoroughly hacked? Did he use the same password everywhere, or what? That's stupid of him if so, you're just begging to get your shit fucked up if you do that. If he didn't, I don't understand how this happened. One account, sure. Shit gets hacked. But all this?

And what banking details have been posted (I haven't actually checked any of the links)? Just some account numbers? Well, what's the big deal with that? I could post my account numbers right here, and you couldn't do anything bad with them. All you could really do is give me money if you were so inclined. Or was his banking login posted? Still, with just that nobody should be able to do any actual damage, right? Or are US banks so damn insecure that you can clean out an account with just the login details? That's not possible with Swedish banks. If I log into my bank with just my password all I can do is transfer money between my own accounts. If I want to do anything more serious than that I have to login using much more secure methods.

You could of scrolled, like, halfway up this page to receive the answers to the majority of your post.

 

[Orayn]

I think the dude you're quoting is saying "hey people are saying this now, but it seems fishy, and I don't have the ability to debunk it, anybody mind helping me out so I can spread it around?"

At least that's how I read it.

I hope so, but the post was framed in such a way that Steve Youngblood read it the same way I did.

 

[Magwik]

Wait, are people really making up conspiracy theories about this?

 

[Beefy]

Why would a person dox themself?

 

[TheHollowNight]

I hope so, but the post was framed in such a way that Steve Youngblood read it the same way I did.

I totally read it as ''this is the thing I'm going to help perpetuate & not bother to explain it's apparent significance''. Just throwin' it out there with no context! yippedy do da

 

[unbias]

Just about every flash drive is formatted by default as FAT32 because it's the most compatible out of the box with decades worth of computers.

Maybe USB 3.0 flash drives are formatted to ExFAT but I doubt it.

I think that is what that anon was trying to infer. Between the timeline and the file format, they are trying to make the claim that the content was uploaded and ripped incredibly quick(coincidence conspiracy). However that doesnt prove anything, if they(hacker) already had access it could mean they were wiresharking him, the hacker saw new data and ripped it.

 

[Deitus]

I hope so, but the post was framed in such a way that Steve Youngblood read it the same way I did.

I read it the same way.

There have been too many people in this thread posting that kind of "evidence" accompanied by "Hmmm..." or "I'm not saying this is true, but..." to just assume it was in good faith.

 

[BennyBlanco]

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

 

[kadotsu]

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

I always thought the computer terminal hacking was in Mostly Harmless.

 

[Sub_Level]

People are actually saying this was a "false flag"? Jesus Christ.

We know that head mod and leader of /V/ did it.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I just want to point out how ridiculous it is that he thinks that cancelling his own projects is like some sort of punishment to people (projects nobody was aware of or could possibly care about). This happened before he was hacked.

This doesn't even make sense.
If there are actually 3 projects he's fucking over the people working on it out of spite, while giving the people he is trying to spite exactly what they would wish for.

edit: I can't read, didn't see it was from before all this, it still doesn't make sense though

 

[Nome]

This doesn't even make sense.
If there are actually 3 projects he's fucking over the people working on it out of spite, while giving the people he is trying to spite exactly what they would wish for.

Phil is less rational than his attackers, who knew?

 

[catmario]

What a mess...

 

[RawNuts]

This along with the Zoe Quinn thing is making me hate a lot of the people associated with my hobby. Thanks to the mindless fuck heads that have perpetrated this feeling.

The issue has certainly divided communities; it has the unlikeliest of people arguing against each other and odd alliances being formed over it.

I don't feel strongly one way or the other on this Quinn subject, but I watch as friendly indie dev, game journalism, and gaming communities tear themselves to pieces over it.

 

[Deitus]

This doesn't even make sense.
If there are actually 3 projects he's fucking over the people working on it out of spite, while giving the people he is trying to spite exactly what they would wish for.

It's obviously not true. It's just Phil Fish being Phil Fish.

But I agree with you, it's really dumb to use cancelling his game as a weapon against his detractors, when it's only his fans that are being punished.

 

[CLEEK]

Why would a person dox themself?

So he won't ever lose/forget his bank details, SSN, tax file number etc. If he ever needs them, they can be found easily on the internet. Duh.

Are the numb-nuts over at 4chan looking at the time the zip files were created, or the se of FAT32 as proof of anything? Someone got into Polygon's Dropbox, downloaded all the data to their local machine, then zipped them up and made them public. That's pretty fucking obvious, surely?

 

[Krejlooc]

I hope so, but the post was framed in such a way that Steve Youngblood read it the same way I did.

Maybe I'm just in the habit of giving people the benefit of the doubt today lol

 

[unbias]

So he won't ever lose/forget his bank details, SSN, tax file number etc. If he ever needs them, they can be found easily on the internet. Duh.

Are the numb-nuts over at 4chan looking at the time the zip files were created, or the se of FAT32 as proof of anything? Someone got into Polygon's Dropbox, downloaded all the data to their local machine, then zipped them up and made them public. That's pretty fucking obvious, surely?

That particular post from anon is trying to say that the file was always zipped, prior to, trying to infer that the data was put there to get nabbed. They are pretty much arguing that they new the file was going to get taken. "I'm not saying, just saying".

 

[Quote]

I think that is what that anon was trying to infer. Between the timeline and the file format, they are trying to make the claim that the content was uploaded and ripped incredibly quick(coincidence conspiracy). However that doesnt prove anything, if they(hacker) already had access it could mean they were wiresharking him, the hacker saw new data and ripped it.

Ah, I reread it and see what they are attempting to say.

Either way I don't see how the timing makes it one person or another. Maybe they zip up their stuff after a year is over? Maybe the person who took it zipped it up for some reason before moving it?

 

[Krejlooc]

So he won't ever lose/forget his bank details, SSN, tax file number etc. If he ever needs them, they can be found easily on the internet. Duh.

Are the numb-nuts over at 4chan looking at the time the zip files were created, or the se of FAT32 as proof of anything? Someone got into Polygon's Dropbox, downloaded all the data to their local machine, then zipped them up and made them public. That's pretty fucking obvious, surely?

The only thing obvious here, mate, is that Phil Fish had everything to gain by leaking his SSN, bank account info, various NDAs, tax forms, etc to the internet and nothing to lose.

 

[hellclerk]

The only thing obvious here, mate, is that Phil Fish had everything to gain by leaking his SSN, bank account info, various NDAs, tax forms, etc to the internet and nothing to lose.

Do we actually know if that doxx info is accurate? I know there are NDA documents leaked, but everything else I haven't really heard much about and there seems to be some people questioning the validity of the information.

 

[Beefy]

The only thing obvious here, mate, is that Phil Fish had everything to gain by leaking his SSN, bank account info, various NDAs, tax forms, etc to the internet and nothing to lose.

He should have leaked more tbh.

 

[Annubis]

Why does everyone assume it's Phil that did it (if you follow the belief of it being an internal job) ?
Aren't there other people working at Polytron?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Has anyone contacted Alex Jones?

 

[Goon Boon]

Why does everyone assume it's Phil that did it (if you follow the belief of it being an internal job) ?
Aren't there other people working at Polytron?

I'm not buying the hacking theory until there's actual proof, but it's not a far jump to believe that the least stable person at Polytron was the most likely person to do something totally fucking insane. Other guys lose just as much and have no indication of being any sort of crazy.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Do we actually know if that doxx info is accurate? I know there are NDA documents leaked, but everything else I haven't really heard much about and there seems to be some people questioning the validity of the information.

How would anyone know if it's accurate unless they've seen or used the account themselves? There are contacts from Sony, Microsoft and steam though iirc so I don't know why the fuck people keep defaulting to "fish doxxed himself". Embarrassing how often people want this scenario to be true.

 

[Newblade]

Do we actually know if that doxx info is accurate? I know there are NDA documents leaked, but everything else I haven't really heard much about and there seems to be some people questioning the validity of the information.

Judging from Phil's reaction and the hacking of the corporative twitter account, it is. Do we actually need for him to come out and say "yep, all that personal info is 100% accurate" to assess its validity? Who else do you want to confirm it?

 

[Antiwhippy]

I'm not buying the hacking theory until there's actual proof, but it's not a far jump to believe that the least stable person at Polytron was the most likely person to do something totally fucking insane. Other guys lose just as much and have no indication of being any sort of crazy.

Hey, I need proof for this incident, so let me just stick to a theory that has even less proof with the only supporting evidence being that the dude was a dick on twitter. That's a totally rational and not insane thing to do.

 

[ptuck874]

This along with the Zoe Quinn thing is making me hate a lot of the people associated with my hobby. Thanks to the mindless fuck heads that have perpetrated this feeling.

Ii really do think they have more in common than most believe....
http://gabrielaknight.wordpress.com/

something about the quinn thing happening and this happening all to close to the same time, I can see why people would believe a conspiracy happening, like having Saudi royalty leave the US days before 9/11, crap doesn't just happen that close not to have people wonder....

 

[Krejlooc]

Hey, I need proof for this incident, so let me just stick to a theory that has even less proof with the only supporting evidence being that the dude was a dick on twitter. That's a totally rational and not insane thing to do.

But dude Phil Fish is totally 1N$@N3!!!1! For example, did you see how rude he was to that guy on twitter??

 

[Fewr]

I just want to point out how ridiculous it is that he thinks that cancelling his own projects is like some sort of punishment to people (projects nobody was aware of or could possibly care about). This happened before he was hacked.

Yes. I can't stand this childish behavior. I'm wondering if it'd be childish on my part to not give Fez even 1 second of playtime because of this, even if I got it for "free" from ps+.

 

[Ingueferroque]

The only thing obvious here, mate, is that Phil Fish had everything to gain by leaking his SSN, bank account info, various NDAs, tax forms, etc to the internet and nothing to lose.

I can't tell if you are joking..

 

[Renpatsu]

I can't tell if you are joking..

He was being facetious, not serious.

 

[Krejlooc]

Yes. I can't stand this childish behavior. I'm wondering if it'd be childish on my part to not give Fez even 1 second of playtime because of this, even if I got it for "free" from ps+.

if the proposition that Phil Fish is using cancelling imaginary games as a punishment is childish, then I'd say not playing a game that you already have as punishment is probably just as childish.

Note: I never played Fez.