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Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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ElectricBlanketFire
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What good is a trial if most of GAF thinks Wilson is guilty?
Wait, not until the legal playing grounds are evened!
Maybe the Ferguson PD is hard up for cash and that's why they can't release information in a timely manner or press charges against Wilson, maybe you could donate to them or something.
I'd like to hear Wilson's version of events from his own mouth, personally.
benjipwns
Banned
I'll allow Wilson to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Skullface
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I'll bet you're a blast at parties.
MHWilliams
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That's generally why we were waiting for the incident report.
The fact that it was mostly blank was entirely shocking.
As it stands, Wilson is still presumed innocent, but the evidence that we have seen so far is painting a picture against him. That's ultimately for a trial to decide, but Wilson hasn't been arrested. He hasn't been indicted. Literally nothing has happened to him. At the same time, Mike Brown is dead, and those that presume Wilson's innocence by presuming Mike Brown's guilt. The true neutral decision would be to donate to neither side and state no opinion. Anything else beyond that is leaning on the innocence of one side or the other.
I'm leaning on the side of the dead person. I'm well willing to say that, because ultimately, my opinion has no bearing on Wilson at all.
benjipwns
Banned
That's the ultimate stickler in this.
If I shoot somebody, how long do you think I get before I have to give my version of events to police on the record? And if I refuse, as I'm allowed to, how long until I get charged with something, anything?
Ninja Scooter
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And now you see why there is such a damn divide in this country. People actually think this way.
Big Baybee
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benjipwns
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Evil people don't die quick.
Skullface
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So Skullface, you are aware that these are the types of people you've chosen to associate with?
I don't associate myself with these types nor do I share their views.
Skullface walks into a party, "Hey guys, I just donated to Darren Wilson!!! Feck yeah!!!!! White police offers are so down-trodden, they need all the help we can give them."
Skullface
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Right, I see. You've not been invited to a party before.
Again, if Wilson fired on an unarmed man who was running away multiple times do
you think he was in the right?
Because that is coming from the police side as well:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/2...er-schedules-visit.html?ref=us&_r=2&referrer=
The audio confirmed both sides in this.
And how can any real investigation to verify the facts of the case begin if he hasn't given anything to verify?
googleplex
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If you roll around in the mud with pigs, don't be surprised if you're called one.
Skullface
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"According to law enforcement officials". What law enforcement officials? Who said this specifically? This is why there is a need for a trial. There's so much information, much of it conflicting, about what actually happened.
I agree. This doesn't negate the possibility that there was a struggle at the car--in fact all witnesses agree that this occurred--but it certainly makes the Ferguson PD's claim that a shot was fired inside the police car impossible. I bet Ferguson PD is PISSED about this audio recording.
What the supporters of Officer Wilson don't get is that the protests are not about convicting Wilson. They're an expression of frustration that (among other, larger and systemic issues) the community believes the system would actively protect Wilson regardless of whether he had justification to pull the trigger. They doubted that the system could conduct a fair and thorough investigation into Michael Brown's death unless somebody shined a spotlight right on the FPD. Based upon the FPD's actions and history, I challenge anyone to prove that this frustration and doubt was unwarranted.
I'm sure that there will be some, and maybe many, people unhappy with an outcome of anything less than a conviction for Wilson, but the protest was, on a local level, about ensuring that Michael receives in death what he was deprived of in life: a crack at justice from the system. The only way to do this is by making sure that Wilson stands trial for shooting Michael.
Answer the question!
Much of which is because Ferguson PD has been primarily interested in protecting one of their own by selectively releasing information in order to prime their jury pool.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Are we all throwing questions at Skullface or should I just quote commedieu's epic post from a few pages back??
Skullface
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Calm your tits. It's universally understood that shooting someone in the back in unacceptable. We don't know that Michael Brown was running away either.
Actually you do, you seem to think Brown had it coming and donated to a murderer, nice work.
Skullface
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Where the fuck did I say that?
benjipwns
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Shame there was nobody there whose job it is to issue some kind of detailed report about what happened.
Ninja Scooter
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Skull face just sounds like a contrarian to me. I don't think he even knows why he donated but I think the problem with a lot of people supporting Wilson is they seem to be doing it for really shitty reasons. It's always about the "liberal media" and how they are ganging up on another poor downtrodden white guy again, as if we should not demand scrutiny and attention ANYTIME a police officer shoots and kills a civilian, whether right or wrong. No we should just keep our mouths shut and give all cops the benefit of the doubt because they'd never do anything wrong. I don't care if Mike Brown punched Wilson in the face. I don't care if they scuffled. I don't care if he robbed a store just a few minutes before. I want to know why he's dead and we all have a right to know and should demand to know. And if the people that work FOR US refuse to tell us, or act inapproproiately, then there should be protests. People should be angry and vocal and demand answers. For that reason alone, nobody should be on defending Darren Wilson.
Skullface
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Do you think your sarcasm is at all productive?
EdibleKnife
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Do you think he's wrong?
benjipwns
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At least it's not donating to somebody who refuses to tell his version of events and has his buddies out attempting to smear the victim.
Skullface
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MHWilliams
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Let's calm, Deck. This isn't a trial. We may feel he's come to a erroneous conclusion, but we're all still on this board together.
That said, the incident report situation is pretty bad.
That was August 22, we still have no further news as to why the report is essentially blank.
HerbertFish
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The donate to Darren Wilson campaign started on 4chan. It's sole purpose was to get it higher than the Brown campaign to see rage reactions from tumblr and Twitter. I wonder how much of the money is even real (or from stolen ccs). Not sure how the site works.
benjipwns
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Guilt's irrelevant, we don't even have charges. Let alone the account of the lone key witness.
Skullface
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I actually agree with all of this.
EdibleKnife
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So you don't think there is anything suspect about an officer of the law who is supposedly coming back from a justified killing, not filing a clear and concise report of what happened?
Skullface
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I have absolute confidence there will be charges. If there's not, I've got a big problem with that. This thing needs to be dissected and sorted out.
Read my post above yours. Also, suspicion doesn't equal guilt. Sure it's sketchy, but there might be a reasonable explanation.
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thepotatoman
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There's really not much conflicting. 5 witnesses all collaborate basically the exact same story on the first day and those law enforcement officials collaborate part of it. Tape exists of Wilson looking uninjured after Brown was shot. This new sound recording of the shooting makes the only possible story Wilson could use as a solid defence sound incredibly implausible unless he fired at him from behind.
There is tons of evidence against him. What's the evidence for him? That Brown stole 48 dollars worth of merch and shoved a guy while Wilson took himself to the hospitable for a "swollen face". That's literally it. The evidence is clearly lopsided towards one side, and you still presume Brown's guilt over Wilson's innocence? That's just messed up man. I can see waiting for more info, but you clearly took action before that info came out which presumes Brown's guilt and Wilson's innocence off almost nothing.
Thank you, MHWilliams. I think most of you know where I stand on this, but dog-piles are never pretty. And let's tone down the "with us or against us" rhetoric. It obliterates any nuance in the conversation and creates an environment where no discussion can happen.
Skullface
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I'm willing to admit that my donation was made without enough thought, but I don't believe there's enough evidence to say Wilson was clearly in the wrong. We as the public have very little access to the evidence at hand right now. There's plenty of evidence we haven't seen on both sides.
Almost immediately the investigation was turned over to the county police. I'm sure they have a report and aren't going to release it until the investigation is complete.
If they don't have a statement from Wilson, then I'd worry more.
Killing an unarmed black man may as well be hitting the lotto in the US.
There is, however, plenty of evidence to support a pattern of behavior on the Ferguson PD's end that indicates that they're acting primarily to protect Wilson and themselves.
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