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[Thaster]

Alot of people seem to be comparing this new revision with the DSi. The DSi did similarly split the user base with games that were exclusive to it but the hardware wasn't all that different than the DS(Lite).

This New 3DS has a bunch of hardware upgrades like the C stick, the back buttons, and the improved CPU. This revision from the 3DS to New 3DS is way more significant than the revision from the DS(Lite) to the DSi. Back then I thought that splitting the sure base with the DS Lite was a bad idea and today I think the same thing with the New 3DS.

I think that Nintendo should have just waited a bit longer and implemented these improvements plus others to the actual successor of the 3DS.

 

[Calamari41]

Yep, I've been saying this for awhile. Launching Wii Motion Plus with a slightly more powerful, HD capable Wii with improved storage would have allowed the brand to remain popular for a lot longer than it did.

The late-gen surge that resulted in tens of millions of 360s and PS3s sold could have belonged to the Wii instead if Nintendo had done this.

 

[Caffeine]

If you boil down the backlash it's just petty petulance exactly like Bayonetta 2. Xenoblade can't run on a normal 3DS, the port would not exist without the new hardware. Nintendo isn't taking anything away from you. The "if I can't play it no one can!" attitude is really pathetic.

I mean look at this shit.



These people literally want to deprive everyone else of the chance to play Xenoblade on a handheld just because they don't want to upgrade. It makes no sense. It's childish and stupid.

i agree people shouldnt really have a mindset like this i mean if the person not wanting to upgrade wants to play it he could probably get the game and a wii for ~$60 used.

if u look at the 3ds region wise we dont even get a lot of Japanese releases. This also true for almost every other platform.

 

[LOCK]

I think there is still a lot we don't know about to really answer the topic question. There are many concerns that are valid but most of them are probably due to the little information released so far.

Concerning Xenoblade and future N3DS exclusives, I really think they will be far and in-between. Do you really think that Nintendo will release a new Pokemon, for example, exclusively on the N3DS? I doubt so, maybe we will see advertisements such as "better on the New 3DS", but I doubt Nintendo makes it exclusive.

For Japan, this is not going to be a problem. They have no problems understanding and updating to new hardware that they want. Nintendo just has to make it want-able.

As for outside Japan, I doubt it is going to be as big of a problem that some posters are making it out to be concerning branding. We really have no idea how this will be labeled or advertised in the West. We really have no idea how successful (or failure) amiibo becomes. Too many unknowns at this point.

 

[whipihguh]

I think it still needs to be seen if this will split up the 3DS userbase in any significant way, although I have serious doubts it will. While it does have a significant leap in power and RAM, the DSi also had a very comparable leap in power compared to it's predecessor, and beyond a small amount of downloadable titles and apps, the DSi didn't really fracture the DS userbase, either.

I think what affected the DSi's lack of exclusive retail software was that the DSi userbase was so small in comparison to the more traditional DS user-base. Why make exclusive DSi games when the DS base is so much larger and still profitable? Any games that are cross-compatible probably aren't really gonna be different enough to warrant a New 3DS upgrade. Sure, the control setup might be more comfortable, speeds might be a bit faster and some graphical features may be improved, but that won't outright make the games unplayable on the original 3DSs, especially with the existence of the Circle Pad Pro. So I think the situation for exclusive retail games that occurred with the DSi will occur with the New 3DS.

Xenoblade being New 3DS exclusive sort of alarms me, but then again, I'm not sure Nintendo would make it exclusive to the New 3DS without good reason. I find it completely probable that it might have started as a cross-compatible game that ultimately couldn't work at a sufficient level on the original 3DS

Spoiler

even if I pulled this theory out of my ass

. Heck, Xenoblade isn't looking too smooth on the New 3DS either, even with its increased power. If more exclusive New 3DS games start being announced by Nintendo, then I'll start worrying about userbase fracture. Until then, I think it's just another transition system until their next handheld successor, and likely nothing to worry about if you have a 3DS now.

 

[fart town usa]

Releasing games where older versions of the hardware can't play some games is total bullshit.

my thoughts too.

I don't buy the Gameboy Color line people are saying.

Gameboy was nintendo's handheld name, gameboy pocket was the next evolution of the original gameboy. I consider gameboy color a new system entirely with backwards compatibility.

DSi added new features but didn't really contain exclusives. It was largely irrelevant.

3DS and "New" 3DS is so messed up to me. Like someone said earlier, they should have called it the Super 3DS, at least then it would seem like a new handheld, even if that simply is arguing semantics. I'm a lifelong nintendo fan, at least wine and dine me if you're going to try and f*ck me over. I'm tired of Nintendo pulling this stuff.

 

[Caffeine]

I find it completely probable that it might have started as a cross-compatible game that ultimately couldn't work at a sufficient level on the original 3DS

Spoiler

even if I pulled this theory out of my ass

. Heck, Xenoblade isn't looking too smooth on the New 3DS either, even with it's increased power.

lol it was probably running at single digit framerate on a OG 3ds.

 

[Regiruler]

Umm, what exclusives did the DSi have apart from some clunky minigame esque downloads? It isn't really comparable.

Pictobits was the shit

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

my thoughts too.

I don't buy the Gameboy Color line people are saying.

Gameboy was nintendo's handheld name, gameboy pocket was the next evolution of the original gameboy. I consider gameboy color a new system entirely with backwards compatibility.

DSi added new features but didn't really contain exclusives. It was largely irrelevant.

3DS and "New" 3DS is so messed up to me. Like someone said earlier, they should have called it the Super 3DS, at least then it would seem like a new handheld, even if that simply is arguing semantics. I'm a lifelong nintendo fan, at least wine and dine me if you're going to try and f*ck me over. I'm tired of Nintendo pulling this stuff.

A lot of people are making this assumption, that the N3DS will be getting a ton of exclusives. It won't, unless Nintendo is dead set on selling a few games to a tiny userbase.

I said it in another thread, but they are trying to extend the 3DS's life with this, not kill it off.

 

[fart town usa]

A lot of people are making this assumption, that the N3DS will be getting a ton of exclusives. It won't, unless Nintendo is dead set on selling a few games to a tiny userbase.

I said it in another thread, but they are trying to extend the 3DS's life with this, not kill it off.

It's got a 2nd nub and 2 extra buttons and a better cpu.

How exactly are there going to be limited exclusives?

"oh hey, here's all these new features but ya know, limit yourself to what is available on our old model"

yea, that makes a lot of sense.

Lets stop and think about the various ipad models and all the current games that are able to run on the original ipad....

 

[Caffeine]

It's got a 2nd nub and 2 extra buttons and a better cpu.

How exactly are there going to be limited exclusives?

"oh hey, here's all these new features but ya know, limit yourself to what is available on our old model"

yea, that makes a lot of sense.

Lets stop and think about the vaiour ipad models and all the current games that are able to run on the original ipad....

circle pad pro adds all the buttons to an OG 3ds/xl. dsi had 4x the ram and twice the cpu clock of the og ds and added cameras a new control type.

 

[watershed]

It's got a 2nd nub and 2 extra buttons and a better cpu.

How exactly are there going to be limited exclusives?

"oh hey, here's all these new features but ya know, limit yourself to what is available on our old model"

yea, that makes a lot of sense.

Lets stop and think about the various ipad models and all the current games that are able to run on the original ipad....

Because no developer is going to ignore the current 3ds install base and the extra buttons will remain optional for most games like how the CCP is optional for the very few games tha even support it. Developers aren't going to look at the increased cpu power and think "well we could make X times more money making a normal 3ds game, but I can't ignore that extra cpu power so let's forget about being successful!"

 

[ShineALight]

It's got a 2nd nub and 2 extra buttons and a better cpu.

How exactly are there going to be limited exclusives?

"oh hey, here's all these new features but ya know, limit yourself to what is available on our old model"

yea, that makes a lot of sense.

Lets stop and think about the vaious ipad models and all the current games that are able to run on the original ipad....

Because when greenlighting projects, they're going to want to address the largest audience possible, which includes the install base of the older versions of the 3DS. It's actually pretty easy to ignore those new features and continue to design games the way they have been. New 3DS exclusives like Xenoblade will very likely be few and far between, and will exist in small amounts to incentivize people to upgrade, not represent the entirety of their handheld software strategy for the next few years.

 

[Kageshinzo]

It's got a 2nd nub and 2 extra buttons and a better cpu.

How exactly are there going to be limited exclusives?

"oh hey, here's all these new features but ya know, limit yourself to what is available on our old model"

yea, that makes a lot of sense.

Lets stop and think about the vaious ipad models and all the current games that are able to run on the original ipad....

When the CPP was released, did it cause a massive introduction of games that required its use, causing those who did not buy it to miss out on a lot of games? Because the nub and the buttons are basically just the CPP integrated into the 3DS. You seriously think Nintendo and the devs are going to discount the 40 million current 3DS owners because of extra buttons and a more powerful specs?

 

[fart town usa]

circle pad pro adds all the buttons to an OG 3ds/xl. dsi had 4x the ram and twice the cpu clock of the og ds and added cameras a new control type.

oh yes, the circle pad pro that ISN'T available to buy online from gamestop and is only available on amazon USED from 3rd party vendors.

uhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Kageshinzo]

oh yes, the circle pad pro that ISN'T available to buy online from gamestop and is only available on amazon USED from 3rd party vendors.

uhhhhhhhhhhh

WTF are you talking about. Anyone who wants it can order it from Nintendo's store. It's readily available if anyone cares enough to get one.

 

[InsaneZero]

It's got a 2nd nub and 2 extra buttons and a better cpu.

How exactly are there going to be limited exclusives?

"oh hey, here's all these new features but ya know, limit yourself to what is available on our old model"

yea, that makes a lot of sense.

Lets stop and think about the various ipad models and all the current games that are able to run on the original ipad....

Make 3DS games that get enhancements for N3DS?

See: Pokemon Gold/Silver, DSi Enhanced

 

[Caffeine]

WTF are you talking about. Anyone who wants it can order it from Nintendo's store. It's readily available if anyone cares enough to get one.

was about to say this nintendo sells them lol

i hope he understands only 15 games supported the cpp and also had controls schemes without it.

 

[fart town usa]

When the CPP was released, did it cause a massive introduction of games that required its use, causing those who did not buy it to miss out on a lot of games? Because the nub and the buttons are basically just the CPP integrated into the 3DS. You seriously think Nintendo and the devs are going to discount the 40 million current 3DS owners because of extra buttons and a more powerful specs?

Ok.

So nintendo announces Xenoblade Chronicles for the NEW 3DS, and then proceeds to show the NEW 3DS model, that has extra buttons and a better CPU.

Circle Pad Pro was arguably only for Kid Icarus, because it's basically unplayable if you're a lefty, which I am, I literally couldn't play it properly. Also for the camera with MGS.

There are going to be lots of good exclusives for the NEW 3DS, the writing is on the wall. There is no way that nintendo doesn't intend to have this phase out the 3DS. The Circle Pad Pro isn't even available is most retailers.

If you're excited for the NEW 3DS, awesome! I'm happy for you because it's probably going to be a freaking awesome handheld. But to act like people who are annoyed at this have no valid points is just plain ignorant. Straight up.

 

[watershed]

oh yes, the circle pad pro that ISN'T available to buy online from gamestop and is only available on amazon USED from 3rd party vendors.

uhhhhhhhhhhh

Do you take the time to consider how poor your arguments are before posting or do you just post the first thing that comes to mind?

At best there will be a handful of small eshop Nu3ds exclusive titles from 3rd parties and some first party ports/higher efforts. But most likely we will see more games offer alternative control schemes that align with the New 3ds and the CPP, like a few existing games already do.

Beyond that, there will be no major retail exclusives for the New 3ds because no publisher can afford the money it takes to make such a game and have it sell to such a small audience. Hell, the 3ds doesn't get many big budget efforts as it is, especially not from 3rd party developers.

 

[Fiktion]

If you're excited for the NEW 3DS, awesome! I'm happy for you because it's probably going to be a freaking awesome handheld. But to act like people who are annoyed at this have no valid points is just plain ignorant. Straight up.

You have no valid points. You admitted you'd be fine with all of this if it had a different name. I'm guessing you had a bad day today and are taking it out on the internet.

honestly, if they would have called it something besides the "new" 3ds i'd probably be fine with all this, and I realize that sounds silly.

 

[Altima]

This is a clusterfuck by nintendo, why not just introduce a new handheld with a proper upgrade in hardware. All this is doing with the newest system slight upgrade is splitting the user base. If they went for a new system I could understand but this, makes me not want to get any more hardware from them, i was planning a wii U perchase in the next week but if this is anything to go by i'll pass.

I cancel my plan of getting Wii U because of this either.

At least someone think the same as me.

 

[fart town usa]

You have no valid points. You admitted you'd be fine with all of this if it had a different name. I'm guessing you had a bad day today and are taking it out on the internet.

You're quoting me on how I said that if it had a different name and me being OK with it like it's "gotcha" moment.

I said the same thing in this thread too, and that's because i'm objective and can recognize my inconsistencies and bias towards certain things. It's clear you don't understand the issues that people have with this.

and for the CPP being sold still on Nintendo's site isn't a "gotcha" either. Of course they're going to sell it still, Kid Icarus and other CPP compatible games are still in stores. The new CPU and Xenoblade being announced are HUGE factors into why this is bad business for people who own an original 3DS. It probably is going to split the market and there are going to be great exclusives for it and it probably will cause the original 3DS to be phased out. Myself and others who are annoyed at this have valid reasons, writing it off is foolish. Much like nintendo has been doing for years, writing off their core fans and turning people off from their products.

Also, nintendo has said that they want to combine the handheld and wiiU, this is how it's going to happen. if my original 3DS isn't capable of what nintendo plans on doing going forward than why would they continue to sell it longterm?

 

[InsaneZero]

You're quoting me on how I said that if it had a different name and me being OK with it like it's "gotcha" moment.

I said the same thing in this thread too, and that's because i'm objective and can recognize my inconsistencies and bias towards certain things. It's clear you don't understand the issues that people have with this.

and for the CPP being sold still on Nintendo's site isn't a "gotcha" either. Of course they're going to sell it still, Kid Icarus and other CPP compatible games are still in stores. The new CPU and Xenoblade being announced are HUGE factors into why this is bad business for people who own an original 3DS. It probably is going to split the market and there are going to be great exclusives for it and it probably will cause the original 3DS to be phased out. Myself and others who are annoyed at this have valid reasons, writing it off is foolish. Much like nintendo has been doing for years, writing off their core fans and turning people off from their products.

The Gameboy Color came with better specs and Pokemon Crystal. The DSi came with better specs and DSiWare. What's the difference?

 

[Fiktion]

You're quoting me on how I said that if it had a different name and me being OK with it like it's "gotcha" moment.

Sure. Gotcha. You still don't have anything resembling a valid point.

It's clear you don't understand the issues that people have with this.

That's probably because I'm being rational.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

how dare they start doing revisions of their handhelds now when they have never done this before!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually I am so angry about it I'm just going to post without informing myself the tiniest bit.


Some people really should read atleast a bit of the topic before jumping to conclusions. This is not the first time Nintendo has done this and it most likely won't split the user base

Exactly, it happened before, and not just from Nintendo -

Attachments, hardware revisions, etc.

- but I think people should be more open to it these days considering how fast console tech becomes outdated. Either way, I'm excited to find out the release date and if I should just wait for that over getting a 3DS XL for Smash.

Spoiler

I hope you weren't talking about me and I read your post wrong.

 

[InsaneZero]

I mean, if there was an actual legitimately new game announced for this system then I could at least understand the outrage, but at the moment it seems that people have no actual memory of how these handheld upgrades typically go.

 

[wapplew]

I cancel my plan of getting Wii U because of this either.

At least someone think the same as me.

I'm in the same boat, planing to buy WiiU by year end, now I don't know.
Scare they pull a new WiiU down the road.

 

[BBboy20]

I have to ask but what was the conversation when the Gameboy Color was released?

 

[InsaneZero]

I'm in the same boat, planing to buy WiiU Blythe year end, now I don't know.
Scare they pull a new WiiU down the road.

So, when was that last Nintendo home console upgrade?

 

[Caffeine]

Ok.

So nintendo announces Xenoblade Chronicles for the NEW 3DS, and then proceeds to show the NEW 3DS model, that has extra buttons and a better CPU.

Circle Pad Pro was arguably only for Kid Icarus, because it's basically unplayable if you're a lefty, which I am, I literally couldn't play it properly. Also for the camera with MGS.

There are going to be lots of good exclusives for the NEW 3DS, the writing is on the wall. There is no way that nintendo doesn't intend to have this phase out the 3DS. The Circle Pad Pro isn't even available is most retailers.

If you're excited for the NEW 3DS, awesome! I'm happy for you because it's probably going to be a freaking awesome handheld. But to act like people who are annoyed at this have no valid points is just plain ignorant. Straight up.

thats great ur a lefty the nub isnt an analog stick its more of a scroll pointer in design.
lots of good exclusives what writing on the wall ur hyped for the new revision thats great but i see no indication for a lot of exclusives to be coming. retail wise 5-15 exclusive games in its lifetime, the rest enhanced 3ds carts.

cpp was exclusive to gamestop only retailer to sell them nintendo stop shipping to them and sells by themselves online for the 15 games that support it lol.

the handheld is part of the 3ds unit line according to nintendo its just a revision.

 

[fart town usa]

The Gameboy Color came with better specs and Pokemon Crystal. The DSi came with better specs and DSiWare. What's the difference?

Gameboy was the name that nintendo called their handheld device line. When the DS was announced they said that the Gameboy would still serve some purpose going forward, it obviously didn't. Gameboy pocket was the evolution of the original gameboy and the gameboy color was a new handheld entirely with backwards compatibility. For example, Super Gameboy, it couldn't play gameboy color games because gameboy isn't the same thing as gameboy color, they're 2 different handhelds, not just a mere expansion of the gameboy.


Much like the DS is the name of nintendo's handhelds now. The DSi hardly offered anything that the DS wasn't capable of doing, just an expanded DS with some extra bells and whistles.

The NEW 3DS is most likely going to be their new handheld and the original 3DS will be phased out in the future. Nintendo is going to use it to help sell more WiiU's. It's obvious because they've already said that's a big part of their plan going forward. Good god, this isn't hard to understand.

 

[Kurt]

With this, i'll set 3d mode always to on

 

[ArcaneFreeze]

If you boil down the backlash it's just petty petulance exactly like Bayonetta 2. Xenoblade can't run on a normal 3DS, the port would not exist without the new hardware. Nintendo isn't taking anything away from you. The "if I can't play it no one can!" attitude is really pathetic.

I mean look at this shit.



These people literally want to deprive everyone else of the chance to play Xenoblade on a handheld just because they don't want to upgrade. It makes no sense. It's childish and stupid.

Isn't that how it always works? "Its not working in my favor therefor no one else should enjoy it."

i.e "I dont want a WiiU so i'd rather not Bayonetta 2 exist"

Just let the people talk and watch as nothing changes when N3DS launches and we all go on with our lives playing video games.

 

[Velcro Fly]

The games exclusive to the N3DS wouldn't exist otherwise. I really don't see why people are so upset. Xenoblade 3DS wouldn't work on an original 3DS. It looks like it barely works on the N3DS.

 

[loaf of bread]

All I can say is I'm glad I never got around to upgrading to an XL.

EDIT: Also who the hell at Nintendo thinks adding "new" to the beginning of things is a good idea at all. It sounds terrible and is confusing. Call it 3DS Pro or 3DS Plus or something.

 

[lt519]

I mean, if there was an actual legitimately new game announced for this system then I could at least understand the outrage, but at the moment it seems that people have no actual memory of how these handheld upgrades typically go.

Even then it wouldn't make sense. People are just flat out being irrational. We're talking about a $100 upgrade that is entirely optional if you feel like there are a few exclusive games you want to play or if you want out of box amiibo support. People are acting like they are forced to upgrade or are being entirely selfish in wanting to hold the handheld back because they want to play everything ever made. It was either no Xenoblade or an upgrade and Xenoblade. It's disappointing to see how many here are so selfish that they'd rather there be no upgrade.

 

[Tookay]

my thoughts too.

I don't buy the Gameboy Color line people are saying.

Gameboy was nintendo's handheld name, gameboy pocket was the next evolution of the original gameboy. I consider gameboy color a new system entirely with backwards compatibility.

... that's fine but what you deem the GBC to be has no bearing on reality.

 

[watershed]

Gameboy was the name that nintendo called their handheld device line. When the DS was announced they said that the Gameboy would still serve some purpose going forward, it obviously didn't. Gameboy pocket was the evolution of the original gameboy and the gameboy color was a new handheld entirely with backwards compatibility. For example, Super Gameboy, it couldn't play gameboy color games because gameboy isn't the same thing as gameboy color, they're 2 different handhelds, not just a mere expansion of the gameboy.


Much like the DS is the name of nintendo's handhelds now. The DSi hardly offered anything that the DS wasn't capable of doing, just an expanded DS with some extra bells and whistles.

The NEW 3DS is most likely going to be their new handheld and the original 3DS will be phased out in the future. Nintendo is going to use it to help sell more WiiU's. It's obvious because they've already said that's a big part of their plan going forward. Good god, this isn't hard to understand.

You do realize the exact same thing happened with the dsi right? When the dsi took over as the primary ds system, people with older models didn't burn up in smoke and their older games didn't evaporate like water. And in terms of a revision getting exclusive games, the dsi was more egregious in this than the New 3ds could ever hope to be. The dsi was, until the 3ds released, the only way to play any dsiware. By the end of the ds generation there were, I think, several hundred dsiware games including some real gems like the art style series and pictobits.

 

[InsaneZero]

Gameboy was the name that nintendo called their handheld device line. When the DS was announced they said that the Gameboy would still serve some purpose going forward, it obviously didn't. Gameboy pocket was the evolution of the original gameboy and the gameboy color was a new handheld entirely with backwards compatibility.

This doesn't actually address the discrepancy between how the GBC was received and how the N3DS is being received, though. Why are you even bringing up the DS when talking about the GBC's reception when they're years apart and separated by the GBA?

Much like the DS is the name of nintendo's handhelds now. The DSi hardly offered anything that the DS wasn't capable of doing, just an expanded DS with some extra bells and whistles.

The N3DS hardly offers anything that you can't already do with the original 3DS, except extra bells and whistles. The whole debate about Xenoblade just highlights the fact that the N3DS is really just a higher-powered 3DS, since nobody's been talking about any actual new features or functionality that can't be found on the original 3DS.

The NEW 3DS is most likely going to be their new handheld and the original 3DS will be phased out in the future. Nintendo is going to use it to help sell more WiiU's. It's obvious because they've already said that's a big part of their plan going forward. Good god, this isn't hard to understand.

I agree that the they're phasing out the original 3DS hardware line, but that's a big leap from saying that they're transitioning to primarily making N3DS-only software. Why would they even need to, when they can just make 3DS games that have additional features for N3DS like they've always done and is more practical to do? And how the heck will this even help sell more Wii Us?

 

[LOCK]

I cancel my plan of getting Wii U because of this either.

At least someone think the same as me.

I'm in the same boat, planing to buy WiiU by year end, now I don't know.
Scare they pull a new WiiU down the road.

Nintendo is struggling to sell the Wii U. They won't release a revision.

They've gone on record saying they will support the Wii U till the current audience is satisfied. Nintendo's next console will be a new generation a few years from now.

 

[A Black Falcon]

... that's fine but what you deem the GBC to be has no bearing on reality.

It's Nintendo's incredibly deceptive (and false) marketing-speak language that "new systems aren't new systems if our marketing department pretends that they aren't" line that's crazy. When a system has games which don't work on your previous system, and there is no way to upgrade the previous system to play those games, it is a new system. Period. That is how it works! The GBC, DSi, and New 3DS are new videogame systems by any possible reasonable definition of the term.

Sure, it's better for sales if people are convinced that your new system isn't really a new system so they shouldn't be irritated that Nintendo has released a new handheld (not counting remodels) every two to four years for the past 15 1/2 years, without one single standard full 5-plus-years-before-replacement lifecycle on a handheld since the original Game Boy, but it's not true.

Alot of people seem to be comparing this new revision with the DSi. The DSi did similarly split the user base with games that were exclusive to it but the hardware wasn't all that different than the DS(Lite).

This New 3DS has a bunch of hardware upgrades like the C stick, the back buttons, and the improved CPU. This revision from the 3DS to New 3DS is way more significant than the revision from the DS(Lite) to the DSi. Back then I thought that splitting the sure base with the DS Lite was a bad idea and today I think the same thing with the New 3DS.

I think that Nintendo should have just waited a bit longer and implemented these improvements plus others to the actual successor of the 3DS.

GBC v. GB: 2x CPU, 4x RAM, 2x VRAM
DSi v. DS: 2x CPU, 4x RAM
New 3DS v. 3DS: 2x CPU, 2x RAM (going by rumor we have for the RAM)

So yeah, no. Actually, since the GBC had color and the DSi online download games and a camera, while the New 3DS has... what? An integrated Circle Pad Pro and a built-in NFC reader?, it seems to me at first glance like it's the New 3DS that has the least compelling new selling point, of the three of them. I want to get one, make no mistake, but it does seem to be that way to me. There's no "hook" beyond 'a bit more power and a few neat little things integrated in'. Hopefully the system has good enough exclusives to get it to sell well despite this.

 

[fart town usa]

This doesn't actually address the discrepancy between how the GBC was received and how the N3DS is being received, though. Why are you even bringing up the DS when talking about the GBC's reception when they're years apart and separated by the GBA?



The N3DS hardly offers anything that you can't already do with the original 3DS, except extra bells and whistles. The whole debate about Xenoblade just highlights the fact that the N3DS is really just a higher-powered 3DS, since nobody's been talking about any actual new features or functionality that can't be found on the original 3DS.



I agree that the they're phasing out the original 3DS hardware line, but that's a big leap from saying that they're transitioning to primarily making N3DS-only software. Why would they even need to, when they can just make 3DS games that have additional features for N3DS like they've always done and is more practical to do? And how the heck will this even help sell more Wii Us?

Because the New 3DS will surely have features that involve the WiiU and WiiU software.

I believe this thread is about the userbase being split.

You basically cemented my point with your last paragraph.

I'm not against the NEW 3DS or xenoblade being ported, I literally think it's awesome, this NEW 3DS looks fantastic. My problem lies in the liberty that nintendo has been taking with their fans these last few years. It's messed up. It's the same reason I don't buy apple products.

 

[LOCK]

Because the New 3DS will surely have features that involve the WiiU and WiiU software.

I believe this thread is about the userbase being split.

You basically cemented my point with your last paragraph.

I'm not against the NEW 3DS or xenoblade being ported, I literally think it's awesome, this NEW 3DS looks fantastic. My problem lies in the liberty that nintendo has been taking with their fans these last few years. It's messed up. It's the same reason I don't buy apple products.

He just proved that this is a common occurrence.

 

[Zeyphersan]

my thoughts too.

I don't buy the Gameboy Color line people are saying.

Gameboy was nintendo's handheld name, gameboy pocket was the next evolution of the original gameboy. I consider gameboy color a new system entirely with backwards compatibility.

DSi added new features but didn't really contain exclusives. It was largely irrelevant.

3DS and "New" 3DS is so messed up to me. Like someone said earlier, they should have called it the Super 3DS, at least then it would seem like a new handheld, even if that simply is arguing semantics. I'm a lifelong nintendo fan, at least wine and dine me if you're going to try and f*ck me over. I'm tired of Nintendo pulling this stuff.

Luckily it doesn't matter what you consider the GBC to be, Nintendo considers it part of the same line. Plus some (most? I don't know the numbers) GBC games could be played on the original GB, so it's not just a case of the GBC being backwards compatible, it's games working across them interchangeably.

The DSi added new features but didn't really contain exclusives, making it extremely relevant because that's a very likely way the n3DS will turn out as well.

Also, if those are your gripes, I don't see how a new name (which conveys the exact same thing as the current name, New vs Super is largely irrelevant) changes anything.

 

[ArcaneFreeze]

Because the New 3DS will surely have features that involve the WiiU and WiiU software.

I believe this thread is about the userbase being split.

You basically cemented my point with your last paragraph.

I'm not against the NEW 3DS or xenoblade being ported, I literally think it's awesome, this NEW 3DS looks fantastic. My problem lies in the liberty that nintendo has been taking with their fans these last few years. It's messed up. It's the same reason I don't buy apple products.

His last paragraph states why it WOULDNT split the userbase. How is making games that work for both any different than say Resident Evil Revelations or Monster Hunter that can take advantage of the CPP, which the N3DS basically has built in now, but doesnt require it? We'll all be playing the same games barring a few "exclusive" titles which for all we know after Xenoblade could be nothing but DSiware levels of "exclusive" games.

 

[fart town usa]

He just proved that this is a common occurrence.

But it's not.

The evolution of Nintendo's previous handhelds was not on the scale that the NEW 3DS has the potential for.

Good grief. I think some people are seriously missing the point here.

Let's try to have some semblance of objectivity when it comes to Nintendo.

 

[Kageshinzo]

The NEW 3DS is most likely going to be their new handheld and the original 3DS will be phased out in the future. Nintendo is going to use it to help sell more WiiU's. It's obvious because they've already said that's a big part of their plan going forward. Good god, this isn't hard to understand.

No, you understand this: with the introduction of the New 3DS, will all your current and existing 3DS games not work anymore? Will all the 3DS games that will be produced not work with your existing 3DS? Will Nintendo and the other developers focus all development on exclusive New 3DS games that will not play on the OG 3DS/3DS XL going forward? No.

Everything that is currently working and will be working on the 3DS will still work as usual.

Xenoblade Chronicles is exclusively announced for the New 3DS because it cannot literally be run on the current 3DS. It does not mean its arrival will herald the end of all OG 3DS games. We already have a precedent with this: DSi and the GBC (and the GBC was NOT an entirely new system; the real successor of the GB was the GBA). The exclusive games on the New 3DS are just icing on the cake of what is essentially a beefed up 3DS with extra features, all of which will not cause the current 3DS units to be magically obsolete because games will still be made for it.

 

[Somnid]

I think the biggest opportunity in terms of software would be getting unity and NWF on the new 3DS. It would open it up to a ton of indie development.

 

[lt519]

My problem lies in the liberty that nintendo has been taking with their fans these last few years. It's messed up. It's the same reason I don't buy apple products.

It's nowhere near apple products. First it's a $175 or w/e product versus a $600-700 product released yearly. It'll have been 4 years since they've had a full on hardware revision to the 3DS. How long would you have them wait? You don't want new 3DS adopters to have a faster OS, amiibo support, a better browser, and a second circle pad? Yeah on second thought screw them.