Except Anita isn't making this argument.
Tropes vs Women author Sarkeesian vacates home following online threats
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Except Anita isn't making this argument.
The maturity issue came in a conversation with some coworkers (all male), maybe Anita herself has never implied that if you enjoy violence or sex themes you are less mature but we have felt that this has been implied by some people in the online discussion. In the end I guess maturity has nothing to do with this.
One thing that I have to say just by hearing opinions of my male IRL friends is that the most recent Anita video is hard to understand for people that are not aware or informed enough about Feminism. Most of them agreed that there are problems with how the industry is portraying females but at the same time almost all of them got angry at some of the criticism, taking it personally. Like what I was thinking with my first post. (as a disclaimer: I live in south america, where probably we are more unfamiliar with the issue, we are slower on changes in social issues)
foolishoptimist
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Really?
Corronchilejano
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nvm, offtopic so bad...
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I don't think they have to be aware or informed about feminism. I was a staunch opposer to everything she said in the first two videos up until I started really thinking about the role females have in videogames. And it's pretty small to be honest all things considered. There's certain representation here and there, but mostly the epitomous white male hero dominates the market.
All things considered, would your friends harass this woman because of it? Call her all kinds of things and then try to find her address? I've never seen that happen, ever, for videogames, over here (in Colombia).
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I don't think they have to be aware or informed about feminism. I was a staunch opposer to everything she said in the first two videos up until I started really thinking about the role females have in videogames. And it's pretty small to be honest all things considered. There's certain representation here and there, but mostly the epitomous white male hero dominates the market.
All things considered, would your friends harass this woman because of it? Call her all kinds of things and then try to find her address? I've never seen that happen, ever, for videogames, over here (in Colombia).
I just watched all of her videos.
They are actually well meaning, respectful videos and mostly on point(slightly exaggerated sometimes to good effect)
Entertainment as a whole has a long way to go.I'd love to see her do a series on Music and Movie industries as well.
Somethings seem so unhealthy to consume on a daily basis in entertainment.Namely the gratuitous sexualization.
They are actually well meaning, respectful videos and mostly on point(slightly exaggerated sometimes to good effect)
Entertainment as a whole has a long way to go.I'd love to see her do a series on Music and Movie industries as well.
Somethings seem so unhealthy to consume on a daily basis in entertainment.Namely the gratuitous sexualization.
TouchMyBox
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It's unfortunate that they decided to overlay a man sitting on a couch making fart sounds over the entire article.
PseudoKirby
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Has anyone posted this yet?
He is the CEO of StarDock
He is the CEO of StarDock
Agreed, I find the way women are portrayed in popular music much worse than in video games.
Personally, I don't listen to it (or watch the music videos), it's not a style of music I enjoy, but I have 2 daughters who are starting to listen to this garbage and both the visual and lyrical content are quite concerning.
ieptbarakat
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What a lovely way to show empathy. 'I don't care about death threats, stop being such a drama queen! Also I get way more death threats than you. Hit piece.'
Does his reaction to the death threats somehow invalidate the fact he was still getting death threats?
I find him comparing her activism to his being a shitty human a bit of a reach.
Neuromancer
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'Look at me, look at me, I want attention too!'Has anyone posted this yet?
He is the CEO of StarDock
Social justice warrior. Generally used as an insult for some reason.
ieptbarakat
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Fair enough.
Has anyone posted this yet?
He is the CEO of StarDock
Jeez how insensitive.
I think there's enough sexism in music and movies talk among scholarly peeps already.
The sexism in video games talk is something relatively new i think. At least in some of the film courses and feminist courses i took we had discussions regarding film and music. But i don't remember anyone ever mentioning games.
Which is why i like that people like Anita discuss it.
The video's do a good job at showing how terrible the narrative is, in a lot of these dev houses, when it comes to "realistic". It's lazy shock value plot porn, that in most context's of a story, doesn't really add a single thing. It just shows how insular they are, when they think they are copying Hollywood(they are not).
Also, SJW is essentially saying you fake it, it assumes you just want to be accepted for popularity. It's a way to not rebut points, and actually bring up an argument grounded in any sort of intelligence. Because, even if it is fake, if the points are good, the points are good; if the points are bad the points are bad, arguing the character of the person instead saying something of value, is just lazy.
He sounds bitter, is what he sounds like. Also lumping in an entire group and attacking them for what 1 person says, and then saying he isn't empathetic(which is true, he isnt showing any empathy)...well, I'm not sure what purpose that is serving.
That was a bit harsh in my part. I just see lack of empathy in so many of their stances.
PseudoKirby
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what I want to know is why cant things be equal between men and women?
everyone feels for Anita and her internet hate, but when a guy gets internet hate he is told to 'grow a pair' and 'deal with it'
As much as I thought his previous actions and especially how he publicly dealt with them were absolutely disgraceful, I found the death threats he received were even worse.
I certainly didn't take the stance of "grow a pair", and many others didn't as well.
They don't, he is getting the same treatment Leigh got. Post a shitty argument, and your argument will be discussed as such. You can feel bad for him(because ya, he had to deal with shit) and still call out his shit(well, I mean sure, some people cant do that, but I hope most can).
Because it really is different for women than men out there. You should check out the Daily Show with Jon Stewart piece about campus assaults against women (or read this comment on it). The world is better for us white middle aged men, and some of us being threatened for being jerks is not nearly comparable to having to be afraid simply because of your gender.
I think he shouldn't deal with things like death threats. It's scary to live like that.
I also think mocking someone else responding with fear to them and playing the "well you have it good compared to me" card is a shitty thing to do.
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Could it be that he was getting death threats during the time when it was uncovered that his ex employee had filed a case of sexual harnessment against him? It came up because StarDock filed a lawsuit against the woman, claiming she took away important files and caused the game, Elemental: War of Magic, to do badly. Both cases were dismissed in the end and the woman apologised.
This might be the article in question?http://kotaku.com/5940401/pc-gaming...after-she-sued-the-boss-for-sexual-harassment
Skimmed through it, didn't really follow thw story when it first came out so I have no idea what went through but some of the allegations about him asking about breasts and bra sizes and sexuallt explicit messages made him look like a really big creep if they were true.
Not that death threats are ok in this situation but I can see why people might not bother running a story. Did he even speak out then?
PseudoKirby
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No, I know how the real world is, and how scary it can be for women. but this just isnt the same thing.
Any idiot with Anonymity is going to say the most vile things, how you handle it is the key.
Ignoring them is the real option, publicly feeding into it and giving out an image of being a victim is not the way to do it. its basic troll shit, and I had to deal with it myself in the past.
by default, because of the gender of the person its assumed that they are true. but I believe that the woman apologized and said she made it all up?
Yeah. He was pretty actively defending himself throughout the ordeal.
He basically took the stance of "I'm the boss. If I want to make offensive and explicit jokes in my office, you have to deal with it because you're my employee and I pay you. No one can tell me how to live my life."
Which in retrospect is pretty bizarre, because apparently the woman later recanted her accusations...
Uh, isn't that what he's doing to her?
Either way, I'm sure it frightened him when he was given threats and his family was as well. He should know the terror involved and that's why I'm surprised by his apathy.
PseudoKirby
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Maybe I am taking it the wrong way, but I think he is saying that she shouldnt make it a press story, a big deal about it. it just feeds the troll machine.
I don't know, maybe you shouldn't tell the woman who has had vile, disgusting threats leveled against her by someone who knows her and her family's address that it isn't a big deal and she should just ignore it?
DoktorEvil
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Has anyone posted this yet?
He is the CEO of StarDock
Jesus guy, keep it to yourself. This is a bad look.
Twitter is the worst possible avenue to vent.
No, his tweets are towards the gaming press as he says.
Reread his last tweet.
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We don't know whether the woman or the man was wrong. It wasn't right for anyone to send threats to him and his family.
The part that she made up was the part about the purity test, given the followup article on Kotaku.
http://kotaku.com/stardock-lawsuits-dropped-ex-employee-apologizes-1377925759
She didn't apologise specifically for making up everything, just a vague sorry for causing trouble for your family and company. And for deleting the said files.
He's making a comparison but it's still towards the press.
I didn't exactly get "apathy" from his tweets, or mockery for Anita as others are pointing out. To me it looked like he was pointing out a double-standard in journalism.
How does his last tweet relate to that?
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The last tweet (chronologically the first one, I believe?) reads like he's calling Sarkeesian an attention seeker and/or a coward. The rest of them may seem directed at the press for being opportunists, but the that one seems to be aimed at her.
That is all you needed, imo. It's there to give popular people and advertisers a platform. It's the paparazzi for the most part. Unfortunately it is as popular as facebook(if not more so), so me complaining about it is fruitless, but I can still hate it, right?
PseudoKirby
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ok so maybe ignore is the wrong word.
but instead of posting about them, just going to stay with a friend WITHOUT announcing it.
Hard to just suffer in silence. It's scary I imagine but she feels brave enough to share with everyone so we can understand her battle is a tough one, especially since all she's done is point out flaws in video games.
What double standard? There is no double standard. There's a pair of different scenarios but that's it. He chose to say nothing, but she did.
The last tweet says, "I get death threats a lot."
Ugh. You know what I mean. The last tweet in what was posted. The bottom tweet.
I suspect his reaction to her stems form her tweet framing this as a "Women in Tech" issue, rather than a "Public Figures in Tech" issue. (Tweeting about it definitely not the best way to handle it - he could easily write about it longform and get a public platform given his experiences and get people to actually pay attention at this point in time.)
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So it was probably just for more attention?
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By telling people, she is saying that people are willing to continually attack her for what she's doing and that even if she were to receive the same threats over and over again, she will still continue doing what she wants to. She is also letting people know that she's taking some of these threats very seriously and will go to the police if needed.
Yeah, I know. His last tweet references Anita and doesn't necessarily fit in with the other tweets. If you want it to be mockery enough it can be, in the sense that "Anita is a wimp for leaving her home after one death threat". Or it could also mean "My family has received a frequent amount of death threats, to the point where it would become inconvenient for us to vacate our home for all of them."
PseudoKirby
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Or telling them that they can interrupt her life at any time, that they are being heard, and it will only get worse in those cases.
she can tell people that she will still continue doing what she wants to do... by just doing it..
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