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[Napoleonthechimp]

Previous Doctors have been around soldiers before and they didn't have too much of a problem.

 

[Mariolee]

Now that it has been aired, I can put my theory to you all. (Instead of just the spoilers thread)
Danny is said to be a 'lady killer' by his colleagues and he didn't answer when he was asked if he'd killed anyone who wasn't a soldier.
My theory is that the tears and his confidence around women has been shot to pieces because he accidentally killed a woman while on duty and is haunted by it.

Wow I didn't even catch that. That's probably a fantastically on point guess.

 

[M.Bluth]

Ok, so I know I mentioned the whole Capaldi mentioning "Roman parts" to the cyborg from Deep Breath and it being potential foreshadowing, but I was happy to accept it was just mere co-incidence and, as another Gaffer said, just to show how old it was. Did anyone notice the display/school project Clara walked past on her way to the TARDIS? Yep, it was on Rome.

I'm not saying it's Rome. But it's Rome.

Let's fan the flames of this theory... During the world tour, someone asked Capaldi, if he had the TARDIS where would he like to visit. His answer? Ancient Rome.

 

[JimtotheHum]

So I liked the second episode, but not quite as much as the first. Maybe it's just because I love episodes with Vastra/Jenny/Strax so much. Gonna rewatch soon.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I have to say, when I first heard that the 12th doctor will be darker and edgier, I couldn't help but roll my eyes a little.

After seeing "Into the Dalek" I am sold. Capaldi is such a good actor that he pulls it off perfectly. It is rather refreshing to see this doctor after the puppy dog happiness and bubbles that 10th and 11th doctor was.

 

[JoeM86]

Overnights are out, down to 5.2m.

Will likely break 7 million in final.

 

[Android18a]

Previous Doctors have been around soldiers before and they didn't have too much of a problem.

Although the 11th Doctor spent the last few hundred years of his life fighting a constant stream of alien invaders, and the villagers he protected also as a byproduct became soldiers. He's probably trying to distance himself from that.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Pros:

Love ruthless asshole Doctor. I like that he makes it seem like Ten and Eleven were a facade, a mask he put on to try and cope, and now he's kinda... done trying.

Love the altered chemistry between Clara and the Doctor. More partners in crime than love interests, a stronger Sherlock and Watson type pairing. It works really well. I actually really liked the slap.

Danny Pink was great. I like him already.

"I am not a good Dalek. You are a good Dalek." GODDAMN AT THAT ETHER. HOLY FUCK, THAT WAS A DROP THE MIC MOMENT. And I loved how Rusty just fucking stared at the doctor as he ROLLED AWAY. That may be the most baller Dalek-related moment in history. Fucking ethered his soul.

Missy!

Cons:

I'm actually sick of Dalek-related episodes. They're fucking rust buckets. I don't care. Let's go a season without dealing with the Daleks and see some new things. I get it. Doctor hates them with a fiery passion as much as they hate. It feels like we've just retread old ground, but having said that, the idea of a GOOD DALEK is fascinating.

Curse you Danny Pink. Clara was pretty much drooling over him. To have a goddess like her hitting on him while he just blubbered about like a fool, why that rustles my jimmies.

Honestly, I'd probably act the exact same and then cry myself to sleep

 

[SuicidalSteve]

Loved how they actually entered the dalek with all the blue wibbly wobblyness. And did I hear some electronic synth in the soundtrack? Hnnng

 

[Faith]

What do you guys think? Is the Doctor a good man?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

What do you guys think? Is the Doctor a good man?

He's trying to be. That's good enough.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Pros:

I'm actually sick of Dalek-related episodes. They're fucking rust buckets. I don't care. Let's go a season without dealing with the Daleks and see some new things. I get it. Doctor hates them with a fiery passion as much as they hate. It feels like we've just retread old ground, but having said that, the idea of a GOOD DALEK is fascinating.

They have to use them once a year or they use the rights to use them full stop.

P.S Why did the estate want that? They'll be run into the ground.

 

[munchie64]

What do you guys think? Is the Doctor a good man?

Gooder (lol) than most would be in his situation that's for damn sure.

 

[Zeppu]

I always wondered what the estate would do with Daleks if they stopped being used by Doctor Who? A bunch of toys, I would presume. Wouldn't that be incredibly short sighted though?

 

[StealthGoblin]

I wonder how much the estate would want for the rights in perpetuity? I feel like the production team are hamstrung by the current contract. What if the beeb just gave them a couple of million?

 

[Discotheque]

I always wondered what the estate would do with Daleks if they stopped being used by Doctor Who? A bunch of toys, I would presume. Wouldn't that be incredibly short sighted though?

Sell it to a comic book company

Daleks the new villains in avengers or justice league

 

[hamchan]

They can make Rusty Dalek the newest member of the Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Discotheque]

Rusty Dalek da gawd. I was worried they would kill him off at the end of the episode but they're actually making him a rebel Dalek hunter lmao

 

[Loona]

Saw Into the Dalek yesterday, my first exposure to Capaldi in the role.

As with John Hurt's War Doctor in the special, it was refreshing to see the callousness of the character acting his age and experience in contrst to the recent sillier takes on him.

Also, proctology joke while assessing the situation, so the ability for humor is still there without the overt silliness, which is nice.

Something felt a bit incomplete in the exploration of "good dalekness" - "Rusty"'s attitude seemed to be awe of "life prevails", but spoke only against Daleks, while surely the setting has many forces at work inimical to life - and it's questionable to which extent an astrophysics phenomenon coints as life compared to a biological one.

The Doctor's speech to the Dalek when trying to open its mind seemed too openlyanipulative to be credible - on one hand, maybe Daleks don do subtlety, but they tend to be so set in their ways that it sounds like such a method would only make a point easier to reject.

I figure this season is still trying to find its tone, but seems to be on the right track.

 

[Dmax3901]

Episode didn't blow me away, liked it better than the first though.

The "He was already dead I was saving us" line was like a slap to the face. Did the Doctor really just say that?

I like it.

 

[Beaniedude]

Stella episode.

I'm not feeling this Danny Pink fellow. Me thinks he is a secret Dalek evil duplicate sleeper agent.

Just a feeling.

I feel it good.

 

[Ein Bear]

It was a great episode, though I wish they'd pull the trigger on actually doing something with the Daleks. Every time they crop up you have The Doctor saying something like "I can change them all!" or "I can kill them all!", and then you have to spend the next 45 minutes knowing full well that nothing will come of it, and the Daleks will be back to yelling exterminate in force by the end of the episode.

I did enjoy this week's episode though. Capaldi is just absolutely killing it, I loved the part where he chucked the soldier a pill to swallow before he died.

 

[Trike]

I don't get why everyone is loving the "You are a good Dalek" line. It's just an echo of "You would make a good Dalek". Actually, the episode has a lot in common with "Dalek".

Spoiler

Except "Dalek was a great episode".

 

[Alcoremortis]

I thought the "You are a good Dalek" line was unnecessary, kinda whacking us over the head with it. The truly chilling bit was the whole hatred thing when they linked minds. If they'd left it at that, it would have had more impact, I think.

 

[paradox121]

I thought that was kinda interesting that Moffat got co-writter credit for this episode but after watching my guess is he probably just wrote the Danny Pink parts.

There was an interview with Phil Ford on Radio Free Skaro a few weeks back where he said the "I'm his carer" line was specifically added by Moffat, and that Ford started writing the episode way before Capaldi was even announced so just wrote it with a generic Doctor in mind. So I get the feeling Moffat basically went through and 'Capaldi-ed' it up a bit.

 

[Bluth54]

There was an interview with Phil Ford on Radio Free Skaro a few weeks back where he said the "I'm his carer" line was specifically added by Moffat, and that Ford started writing the episode way before Capaldi was even announced so just wrote it with a generic Doctor in mind. So I get the feeling Moffat basically went through and 'Capaldi-ed' it up a bit.

Interesting. I guess it does make sense that Moffit would do a lot of rewriting if this episode was written before Capaldi was gotten cast, though RTD did a lot of rewriting on most Doctor Who scripts and never got credit for it.

I still wouldn't be surprised to find out that Moffit wrote all of the Danny Pink parts since I'm sure if Capaldi wasn't cast then Danny Pink wouldn't exist yet.

 

[Commander Jameson]

I thought the "You are a good Dalek" line was unnecessary, kinda whacking us over the head with it. The truly chilling bit was the whole hatred thing when they linked minds. If they'd left it at that, it would have had more impact, I think.

I wasn't sure about that hatred reveal part. Don't we already know how much The Doctor hates Daleks?

 

[Alcoremortis]

I wasn't sure about that hatred reveal part. Don't we already know how much The Doctor hates Daleks?

I felt the telling part was that his hatred was so great that it overshadowed all of the beauty in the universe that the Doctor was trying to show the Dalek.

 

[Qasiel]

I wasn't sure about that hatred reveal part. Don't we already know how much The Doctor hates Daleks?

To me it was all about even though he wanted to show beauty and kindness to Rusty in order to change him, and to even convince himself that he is a good man, he still has that burning hatred for all things Dalek and will always have that hatred no matter what or how ever much he tries to convince himself otherwise.

 

[V_Arnold]

I did not like any of the action sequences. So horribly made I wonder why they force them into episodes in the first place.
The whole Dalek story would have worked without the bits of shouting nonsense while in a spaceship part.

Otherwise, this Doctor works. Like that he has the sass of the 8th here and there, while being a bit more....I do not even know what. Realist? Pessimist? But then do not talk about souls, Doctor

 

[Nitemare1]

"She's my carer. She cares so I don't have to." Is my new favorite Doctor line of all time.

I loved that too!.
I wasn't sure about the new Dr. being a little bit more of a tool than the others but it's really starting to grow on me. Something tells me by the end of his run he's going to be one of my favorite!

 

[APZonerunner]

Ok, so I know I mentioned the whole Capaldi mentioning "Roman parts" to the cyborg from Deep Breath and it being potential foreshadowing, but I was happy to accept it was just mere co-incidence and, as another Gaffer said, just to show how old it was. Did anyone notice the display/school project Clara walked past on her way to the TARDIS? Yep, it was on Rome.

I'm not saying it's Rome. But it's Rome.

Crackpot theories aside, I enjoyed Into The Dalek immensely. Capaldi's darker Doctor really is a breath of fresh air and the tone sets up some great tense moments (especially with Clara who now seems to actually have some character depth).

There is a lot of Rome, but for what it's worth, at the sort of age group Cole Hill is, Rome is a major, major subject in British schools, and all the Cole Hill scenes were filmed in a real school. It may well just be a real display from the real school. I think pretty much a complete school year of my life was spent on the Romans, for instance. I'm not sure if this is a 'thing' in the US... but in British schools, history is typically The Romans, The Tudors, and the two World Wars.

Do think the mention in Deep Breath might be pointing somewhere, though.

 

[Trike]

well the doctor is usually roman throughout time and space

 

[The Elite]

 

[obin_gam]

What do you guys think? Is the Doctor a good man?

With him sacrificing the soldier in this episode, I'm fairly certain he actually did push the Clockwork Leader in the last episode.

...

so no, I would say, Dr 12 is not a good man

 

[Exterminieren]

Surprised we didn't hear Capaldi's theme last night.

 

[APZonerunner]

Surprised we didn't hear Capaldi's theme last night.

Do we even know for sure that's it? There were a few cues in Deep Breath that could've been his 'theme', and one of them reprised briefly last night.

 

[Yrael]

Capaldi is very reminiscent of Eccleston's Doctor for me, in the sense that both of them have an angry, dark "edge." The strong parallels between this episode and "Dalek" ("You are a good Dalek" vs "You would make a good Dalek") further cemented that comparison for me. Clara is reminding me more strongly of Rose Tyler too.

 

[Htown]

"I am not a good Dalek. You are a good Dalek." GODDAMN AT THAT ETHER. HOLY FUCK, THAT WAS A DROP THE MIC MOMENT. And I loved how Rusty just fucking stared at the doctor as he ROLLED AWAY. That may be the most baller Dalek-related moment in history. Fucking ethered his soul.

Yeah, the stare was hilarious.

I'm actually sick of Dalek-related episodes. They're fucking rust buckets. I don't care. Let's go a season without dealing with the Daleks and see some new things. I get it. Doctor hates them with a fiery passion as much as they hate. It feels like we've just retread old ground, but having said that, the idea of a GOOD DALEK is fascinating.

Never going to happen, because for whatever reason they have to keep using the Daleks or lose them forever.

 

[Slowdive]

Speaking of themes it was nice to hear the 9th/10th Doctor's theme just after the slap, just barely, though.

This interview might have given away something about Danny Pink so I'll spoiler it just in case.

Don’t call him a Companion. Samuel Anderson may be joining the cast of BBC America’s “Doctor Who” on August 30, but he’s very clear on one thing: he’s not the Doctor’s trusty sidekick, he’s something else.

“I’m not really a Companion,” Anderson told MTV News when we caught up with the actor over the phone. “I think I can say that without it really being a spoiler.”

And Danny won’t just be playing counterpoint. Though Anderson didn’t come right out and say how,

Spoiler

it seems that the character has deeper ties to the mythos of “Doctor Who.” When we asked, given his army background, whether Pink was tied to classic Doctor allies U.N.I.T., Anderson gave a startled reply.

“Ooooh, you are up to school on your ‘Doctor Who,’ aren’t you?” Anderson said, surprised. “Wow, you’re the first one who’s asked me that. I could answer that, but I won’t. But it’s a good question.”

We’ll go out on a limb and say we might have been right on the money there

http://www.mtv.com/news/1916319/doctor-who-samuel-anderson-danny-pink-interview/

 

[Exterminieren]

Do we even know for sure that's it? There were a few cues in Deep Breath that could've been his 'theme', and one of them reprised briefly last night.

Seemed to fit with Capaldi saying it was a bit rock and roll, and it was by far the most prominent cue in Deep Breath.

Murray's score's been a little offbeat in both episodes so far, in fairness- the slap yesterday had a variant of the Eccleston/early Tennant Doctor's Theme in the background.

 

[Metalmarc]

Clara got exposed to radiation, inside the Dalek in this episode, any thoughts on that?
Obviously it won't affect the Doctor.

 

[BatDan]

Never going to happen, because for whatever reason they have to keep using the Daleks or lose them forever.

Exactly this.
The estate of Terry Nation put the BBC in a hard spot by forcing them to use a Dalek once every year or else they can take the rights away and use them somewhere else.
Hence why we got a Dalek story almost every season. Though sometimes it's just cameos (2009 was fulfilled by a cameo in The Waters of Mars, 2011 was a cameo in The Wedding of River Song).

I think the movie Looney Tunes: Back in Action had something to do with it.

 

[GavinUK86]

Speaking of themes it was nice to hear the 9th/10th Doctor's theme just after the slap, just barely, though.

This interview might have given away something about Danny Pink so I'll spoiler it just in case.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1916319/doctor-who-samuel-anderson-danny-pink-interview/

We never saw Journey's brothers face right? Her surname is Blue and Danny's is Pink, like Clara said to her. I wonder if there's a connection there. Maybe Danny is a soldier from the future and he doesn't remember or something like that and the Doctor and Clara will bump into him, or someone who looks like him, in later episodes.

 

[Metalmarc]

And I continue to find the fact that the humans haven't been able to adapt Dalek tech for themselves so they can also 1HKO Daleks with their crazy laser beams laughable.

Yeah all the Humans need is a plastic Cape

 

[Ventilaator]

Eh, didn't like it. Seeing even Kuwabara post about how he liked it sure made me hope I would though.

Capaldi is great though.

 

[sn00zer]

Wasnt a huge fan of the episode, but the conclusion and some lines about the doctor were fantastic

 

[DECK'ARD]

I liked it, although it's still Capaldi carrying the show at the moment. It hasn't really kicked into gear yet.

Next one looks pretty silly though, so not sure how well that's going to work.

 

[Platy]

What do you guys think? Is the Doctor a good man?

He is a good man who goes to war

 

[twobear]

On the plus side they seem to have actually remembered to turn Clara into a character this season rather than a cardboard cutout that the Doctor drags around looking at mysteriously