Yup. As I said earlier, all of this stuff isn't so black-and-white. There's a gradient, and where people draw the line of responsibility differs.
Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?
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Yup. As I said earlier, all of this stuff isn't so black-and-white. There's a gradient, and where people draw the line of responsibility differs.
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I think most people will define it as something that they wouldn't do. So since a lot of GAFfers wouldn't take nude pictures of themselves, they feel justified in condemning others for it when something bad happens to them for it.
To prevent people from blaming the victims?
Bill Corbett ‏@BillCorbett
I think most people will define it as something that they wouldn't do. So since a lot of GAFfers wouldn't take nude pictures of themselves, they feel justified in condemning others for it when something bad happens to them for it.
To prevent people from blaming the victims?
Manmademan
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What? No, I'm perfectly fine here thanks.
Pretty sure everybody is blaming (or thanking) the leakers. They're just wondering why celebrities still save nudes knowing that their privacy is under constant attack and massive leaks have happened in the past. People just want to say "victim blaming" since that seems to be a magical button to win an internet argument.
plasmawave
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In a perfect world people shouldn't have to take pre-cautions. But that's not the case.
People need to be more careful about these stuff, and If you're gonna take racy pictures keep them locally.
People need to be more careful about these stuff, and If you're gonna take racy pictures keep them locally.
I also think there is this big ignorance in digital security around. People see username/password and think its all the same. It isn't.
Hell, we had heartbleed disclosed not long ago, how many of the victims of this leak do you think bother to change their passwords? People do not take internet security seriously until they are directly affected. While this will get outrage and embarrassment a hack of this magnitude in banking would be catastrophic, governments would intervene.
Yep. Does the fault lie with the hackers? Absolutely. Did the victims make a not-so-smart decision? Yes.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No, it's because all you have to do is look at the direction the threads go to see that we're all way more interested in discussing what the celebrities did wrong than what the hackers did. One side of the involved parties is wrong, and it's not the celebrities.
hodayathink
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If this is an "iCloud" thing, I don't think it's necessarily about the recent security breach (aka the Find My Phone non-lockout issue). I remember hearing/reading about the celeb trading rings when Scarlett Johannson's pics leaked online, so I'm leaning towards the idea that some/most of these are just hacks than went "undiscovered" over the course of the last couple years that whomever this person/these people are finally made public. Because, let's be honest, if you had access to Jennifer Lawrence's iCloud account and found this stuff in there, wouldn't you want to stay accessing it silently for as long as you could in the hopes that other stuff would show up as well? So it wouldn't make sense to put the whole thing on blast as soon as you found them. Especially if the rumors about videos are actually true.
There's no "wondering" about it, the last page alone has plenty of examples of condemnation for perceived foolish behavior. There's no questioning about it as you suggest, it's pretty plainly "you were stupid enough to take nude photos with a smartphone, you were asking for it."
Maybe i havent kept up very well with the thread, but I havent seen any recent post that is directly saying this.
Oh but the masses won't see the nuance in that and might panic sell in the AM based on media reports. I will take advantage if that happens
I'm pretty sure the system alerts you if someone accesses your account from another device. Not sure how they got around that
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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None of those state "they were asking for it", but definitely imply taking nudies of yourself is not a smart idea in this day and age.
I can understand an argument of X victim would have been better off using more sense in Y case some of the time.
A guy wearing real $100 bills on his shirt in a high-crime area can be told his actions was not in his best interests.
But the victim blaming here is ridiculous. These are women who had their private info locked away by a password. They had taken the precaution to hide their private photos in a area which was hacked open by hackers. To hold the analogy, this would be like telling a man who had his valuables robbed in his home that he should have used a better safe.
A guy wearing real $100 bills on his shirt in a high-crime area can be told his actions was not in his best interests.
But the victim blaming here is ridiculous. These are women who had their private info locked away by a password. They had taken the precaution to hide their private photos in a area which was hacked open by hackers. To hold the analogy, this would be like telling a man who had his valuables robbed in his home that he should have used a better safe.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Which implies...
TheVampire
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So are any more photos going to get released?
That everyone should strive to make smart decisions
Celebrities included.If anything, aren't these people being exposed like mild exhibitionists and as common as the thousand girls in Facebook who do exactly the same thing? (taking such pictures exposing themselves)
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I'm waiting for more Kristen Ritter myself.
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I'm waiting for more Kristen Ritter myself.
Winterfang
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There's a Gif of Jlaw giggling her bare breast like 3 minutes out.
plasmawave
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That everyone should strive to make smart decisions
They clearly did not learn anything from the masterfully executed cautionary tale, the Sex Tape.
If this really means what I think it means, why dont you go find actual consensual nude pictures than being interested in obviously criminal and immoral acts of breach of privacy? Because what you are asking is disgusting.
bodyofanamerican
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Has the story about this being a group of folks accessing these accounts for years been linked here yet? That's the creepiest part. Just silently breaking in, saving stuff, and no one knowing about it (and I agree, I'm curious how they got around notifications of things being accessed from different devices). It sounds like the majority was iCloud, but it was really any device or account they could get their hands on.
JohnnyLovesYou
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I wonder.
Chill the fuck out. There are a plethora of potential motives behind asking that kind of question. Quit flailing that condemning finger around.
Not at all. You're just throwing shit around now.
A Human Becoming
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Not a photo, but supposedly a video of JLaw performing fellatio.
This is what i took from those posts, and what i took from Gerbais Tweet as well.
That everyone should strive to make smart decisions
Just like everyone should strive to not show off too much skin or ass as to not be sexually assaulted, right?
The hackers probably don't get a lot of attention since very little is actually known about them and the methods they used to obtain the pictures. I'm assuming most people, myself included, don't even understand the methods anyways. All we know is some anonymous person wanted to start a shitstorm.
Oh, my. Why in God's name would you record yourself doing that?
hodayathink
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Does it alert you on the device, or does it just do something like send you an e-mail/SMS/iMessage? Because if it's the second, you can either wait until late at night when you think she's a sleep, or do it when she's doing something live that you know she wouldn't have her device with her, and then delete the alert before she can read it. And theoretically, you could probably also attempt to spoof the device, but that would require this to be more of a hack and less of a social engineering issue.
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We had a Nude Trading Network insider here, but he got banned about a month ago for misogynistic remarks.
That would be a valid question for half of the photos I've seen.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You would have to ask this to so many promiscuous people on Earth at some point in their life.
Dark Ninja
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Maybe she wanted to watch it back and improve her performance
Officerrob
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Because it can be fun?
Why have you seen the photos?
Why not?
Winterfang
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I don't think there's anything more boring than watching a Woman giving Oral sex to a man, pretty much every "amateur" tape starts with like 12 minutes of that, is ridiculous.
Not the same. We have had cyber-related stuff for about 20 years, and we still don't know much of what's possible and what's not in this realm. Rape is as old as mankind.
I think that's my point. It is shame what will be the only consequence of this. And that, they brought upon themselves.
Nobody raped anybody here. This is not different from me leaving neogaf logged in in my office and Everyone finding out I'm into dolphin porn and laughing at me the next day. Geez.
hodayathink
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Unless someone just says fuck it and dumps their whole stash (and we already have proof that that the people that are sharing on only sharing parts of theirs), stuff like that isn't coming out, period. The closest you'll get is something like the JBF video. Because those videos are legitimately just too valuable to whomever holds it. If the whole "trading ring" thing is true, you could probably trade truly explicit videos for any number of pictures or other videos, and even without the ring you could straight up sell it in the corners of the net and make somewhere between hundreds and thousands of dollars off of it before anyone ever actually took notice of it.
If you seriously have no idea why it is wrong to click on non-consensual nude photos of people:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertai.../leaked-photos-nude-celebrities-abuse/379434/
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Nope.
SteveWinwood
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There are two kinds of people. People that think shit is going to happen no matter what and you should do your best to prevent it (these are people who like to use that argument to have concealed weapon permits, have probably been to 4chan once in their life and seen that terrible people exist). "Is going to the beach and not wearing sunscreen, then saying it's the persons fault for not wearing any, victim blaming?" And there are people that believe that we should be actively trying to prevent any of this from happening in the first place. Actively pursue the people who did it this time in an attempt to curtail any future similar situations. That people shouldn't even have a demand for this sort of thing in the first place.
These exist in every facet of politics. In every single political argument you can make the same situations analogous for something. Personal responsibility vs social responsibility. Literally liberal vs conservative.
Also all these it's just like "situation x or y!" don't really do much but muddle everything up.
These exist in every facet of politics. In every single political argument you can make the same situations analogous for something. Personal responsibility vs social responsibility. Literally liberal vs conservative.
Also all these it's just like "situation x or y!" don't really do much but muddle everything up.
"When people seek out stolen images like the ones just released of celebrities, those people are violating these women in much the same way that the person who stole the pictures did."
http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/leaked-photos-nude-celebrities-abuse/379434/
Winterfang
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Yes, just explore reddit or 4chan at your risk if you want to see them.
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