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[Notker]

I'm surprised at how often internet comments seem to completely ignore the fact that many Ukrainians actually want to be part of Russia, at least in the eastern parts of the country where the population is largely ethnic Russian.
Ukraine isn't some stable nation-state with a homogenous population. There is a legitimate argument that Eastern Ukraine has a right to self-determination. I don't like Russia actively destabilizing the region, but this isn't happening without the active support of Ukrainians. This is yet another example of people assuming that a large, powerful nation (in this case Russia) is able to control events on their own, and the smaller, less powerful nation is a completely innocent pawn.

 

[PatBot]

I'm surprised at how often internet comments seem to completely ignore the fact that many Ukrainians actually want to be part of Russia, at least in the eastern parts of the country where the population is largely ethnic Russian.
Ukraine isn't some stable nation-state with a homogenous population. There is a legitimate argument that Eastern Ukraine has a right to self-determination. I don't like Russia actively destabilizing the region, but this isn't happening without the active support of Ukrainians. This is yet another example of people assuming that a large, powerful nation (in this case Russia) is able to control events on their own, and the smaller, less powerful nation is a completely innocent pawn.

Polls seem to suggest otherwise. I wonder why so much emphasis is put on the Russian minority whereas the majority of East-Ukrainians disagree to be united with Russia:

Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state 2013:

AR Crimea 35.9%
Donetsk 29.8%
Lugansk 29.4%
Оdessa 22.8%

Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state February, 8-18 2014:

AR Crimea 41.0%
Donetsk 33.2%
Lugansk 24.1%
Оdessa 24.0%

Of course some will doubt these polls but I will stick to them unless they are proven to be biased.


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[Phantast2k]

I assume that autonomy offer is a ploy to shift the blame to the West when the next wave of invasion into Ukraine occurs after the next inevitable round of sanctions.

I can take Kiev in two weeks, Vladimir Putin warns European leaders
The Russian president is reported to have boasted his forces could sweep into Kiev in a fortnight if he wanted to as Nato announced it would build a new “spearhead” rapid reaction force

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ks-Vladimir-Putin-warns-European-leaders.html

I'm surprised at how often internet comments seem to completely ignore the fact that many Ukrainians actually want to be part of Russia, at least in the eastern parts of the country where the population is largely ethnic Russian.
Ukraine isn't some stable nation-state with a homogenous population. There is a legitimate argument that Eastern Ukraine has a right to self-determination. I don't like Russia actively destabilizing the region, but this isn't happening without the active support of Ukrainians. This is yet another example of people assuming that a large, powerful nation (in this case Russia) is able to control events on their own, and the smaller, less powerful nation is a completely innocent pawn.

Ukraine was completely stable nation-state, what are you mumbling about? Every bit of instability in that regard was and continues to be sowed by Putin's Russia. I'd like you to support your arguments with evidence, please.
Meanwhile I present to you the post-Soviet, pre-2014 list of casualties to Ukrainian vs. Russian ethnic tensions:___________________________________________________

@ThielsChristian. German president #Gauck on special relations with Moscow: "This partnership has de facto been terminated by Russia" http://t.co/CUpKdCDQn2

@MiddleEast_BRK
Pro-Russian terrorist leader Pavlov aka 'Motorola' threatens #POLAND with Grad missiles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3ZMYpfD1l4

 

[Chumly]

I'm surprised at how often internet comments seem to completely ignore the fact that many Ukrainians actually want to be part of Russia, at least in the eastern parts of the country where the population is largely ethnic Russian.
Ukraine isn't some stable nation-state with a homogenous population. There is a legitimate argument that Eastern Ukraine has a right to self-determination. I don't like Russia actively destabilizing the region, but this isn't happening without the active support of Ukrainians. This is yet another example of people assuming that a large, powerful nation (in this case Russia) is able to control events on their own, and the smaller, less powerful nation is a completely innocent pawn.

A minority that wants to be part of Russia does not get to determine whether or not they should get to succeed from Ukraine. United States isn't a homogeneous population but that doesn't mean that people can decide to just get up and declare states separate countries. Besides I am sure that Russia would let area's of their country succeed............

Frankly people like you have continually brought up this russia propaganda without showing that the majority of the people in the region actually want to be part of Russia. The russian population are not second class citizens or oppressed against either. There is absolutely no legitimate case for actively destabilizing the region.

 

[antonz]

Vladimir Putins own Presidential Council on Human Rights openly stated only 15% of Crimea actually voted for Annexation.

The Russian heritage or language excuses etc. are so weak a claim. Of course the vast majority speak Russian. It was a mandated language by the Soviet Union. Even now in Ukraine they are actively banning the usage of Ukrainian and only allowing Russian.

Another reason the East so actively speaks Russian is in more peaceful times there was a steady flow back and forth of workers between the countries. Ukrainians going to work in Russia would need to speak Russian or not have a job.
Russians coming to Ukraine would have very little chance of speaking Ukrainian so again Ukrainians forced to adapt to the Russians.

As for the autonomy stuff it really isn't new. Its been their big claim all along. They want all the perks of independence without actually breaking free. Their own elected government, constitutional guarantee they can make independent foreign treaties and pursue pacts with other nations on their own etc.

And all Ukraine has to do is give up 1/3 of its country and its entire coastline so 2 Russian held cities can become a "nation"

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

I assume that autonomy offer is a ploy to shift the blame to the West when the next wave of invasion into Ukraine occurs after the next inevitable round of sanctions.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ks-Vladimir-Putin-warns-European-leaders.html

Empty threats.

It took 3+ weeks for US/Coalition forces to take Baghdad, with around 300,000 troops, all of them well-trained, professional troops, where much of the enemy army simply collapsed and disappeared.

 

[Outcome]

Interesting stuff from wikipedia (link):

May be US wants "Europe vs Russia" war to reduce the US debt (more than $17 Trillions)? It will explain limitless US support for Ukraine.

 

[Matt]

Interesting stuff from wikipedia (link):

May be US wants "Europe vs Russia" war to reduce the US debt (more than $17 Trillions)? It will explain limitless US support for Ukraine.

This is a really random, poorly thought out, inaccurate, and just plain silly post.

Well done.

 

[Outcome]

This is a really random, poorly thought out, inaccurate, and just plain silly post.

Well done.

Well, I think that it actually makes sense. And I'm not the only one:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/war-2.html

 

[DarkFlow]

Well, I think that it actually makes sense. And I'm not the only one:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/war-2.html

Do you have a source other then generic blog?

 

[anonymous_abc]

Well, I think that it actually makes sense. And I'm not the only one:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/war-2.html

Yea I'm sure we can find more such articles on disinformation. *rolleyes*

No one in Europe has any appetite for any kind of war or conflict.

 

[Outcome]

Do you have a source other then generic blog?

No, I don't, but this guy Paul Craig Roberts "former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, former editor of the Wall Street Journal, listed by Who’s Who in America as one of the 1,000 most influential political thinkers in the world, PhD economist", I think, is not the silliest man in the world.

Yea I'm sure we can find more such articles on disinformation. *rolleyes*

No one in Europe has any appetite for any kind of war or conflict.

No one say Europe has an appetite for war, US has one, for example:
Iraq war cost: $6 trillion. What else could have been done?

 

[-SD-]

Putin is a bully at heart with a mind of a 10-year-old spoiled brat kid. If no-one is willing to stop a bully he will keep bullying until there's nothing left to bully. Ukraine is just the start.

 

[Outcome]

Putin is a bully at heart with a mind of a 10-year-old spoiled brat kid. If no-one is willing to stop a bully he will keep bullying until there's nothing left to bully. Ukraine is just the start.

May be he is bullying, but he is not bombing like US presidents do. These are the countries that USA has bombed since the end of World War II:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

I can remember only two for Soviet Union and Russia: Vietnam and Afghanistan (both in Soviet Union times).

Putin is protecting national interests in Ukraine. Yes, he does it in a dirty way. I wish he did not do it like that. But comparing how (see the list above) US has been protecting its national interests... Putin is an angel. And I hope he will stay that way and won't adapt the US bombing way of settling things.

 

[Dilly]

May be he is bullying, but he is not bombing like US presidents do. These are the countries that USA has bombed since the end of World War II:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

I can remember only two for Soviet Union and Russia: Vietnam and Afghanistan (both in Soviet Union times).

Putin is protecting national interests in Ukraine. Yes, he does it in a dirty way. I wish he did not do it like that. But comparing how (see the list above) US has been protecting its national interests... Putin is an angel. And I hope he will stay that way and won't adapt the US bombing way of settling things.

This is such a relevant post, especially in the news thread.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I can remember only two for Soviet Union and Russia: Vietnam and Afghanistan (both in Soviet Union times).

Putin is protecting national interests in Ukraine. Yes, he does it in a dirty way. I wish he did not do it like that. But comparing how (see the list above) US has been protecting its national interests... Putin is an angel. And I hope he will stay that way and won't adapt the US bombing way of settling things.

I think you are forgetting a few on the Russian side. Oh, and oppression of basicly the whole of Eastern Europe for 50 years or so...

I feel sorry if you really think Russia is better than the US when it comes to wars and national interest. At the end of the day, I think every sane country would rather be a US ally than Russian.

To stay on topic: apparently there are now over a million refugees in Ukraine, of those over 800.000 did flee to Russia according to UNHCR.

 

[kmfdmpig]

May be he is bullying, but he is not bombing like US presidents do. These are the countries that USA has bombed since the end of World War II:

Putin is protecting national interests in Ukraine. Yes, he does it in a dirty way. I wish he did not do it like that. But comparing how (see the list above) US has been protecting its national interests... Putin is an angel. And I hope he will stay that way and won't adapt the US bombing way of settling things.

It's good to see that Steven Seagal posts here.

This is not relevant to the thead and is a very skewed version of history.
Off the top of my head Chechnya and Georgia stand out as examples of Russia not being "angelic".
Ukraine, ie, the only one pertinent to this thread, also stands out as another example unless somehow shooting people and lobbing artillery at them is somehow morally superior to aerial bombing.

 

[enewtabie]

So Putin is sending arms and troops in to help the pro russians and is talking about Statehood. Guess he's trying to carve up more than just Crimea. I honestly think he's going to take the whole country. Nobody is going to do anything about this. I don't think we are going to give weapons either.

 

[MacNille]

Reading outcome loveletter to russia, makes me want to puke. No mention in his post of hungary 1956, the cursed soldiers who fought avsinat the Sovjet in Poland after 45, the forest brothers in the baltics who fought for their freedom against them as well, the Praug spring of 68, the rape of eastern Europa for over 40 years, the war in cheynea in the 90s and the 2000s and the war against Georgia 2008. Do your fucking research!

 

[ClosingADoor]

So Putin is sending arms and troops in to help the pro russians and is talking about Statehood. Guess he's trying to carve up more than just Crimea. I honestly think he's going to take the whole country. Nobody is going to do anything about this. I don't think we are going to give weapons either.

He definitely wants more then Crimea. The whole country might be pushing it. I think he realises he won't be able to hold it with a lot of the country against Russia. Not that we should allow him to get any part of Eastern Ukraine (or Crimea earlier...). But well, who's going to do anything. I see only the Baltics and Poland really getting worked up about it.

 

[Dictator93]

May be he is bullying, but he is not bombing like US presidents do. These are the countries that USA has bombed since the end of World War II:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

I can remember only two for Soviet Union and Russia: Vietnam and Afghanistan (both in Soviet Union times).

Putin is protecting national interests in Ukraine. Yes, he does it in a dirty way. I wish he did not do it like that. But comparing how (see the list above) US has been protecting its national interests... Putin is an angel. And I hope he will stay that way and won't adapt the US bombing way of settling things.

The U.S. is a shit country, but russia is too when one looks at foreign and internal policy.

 

[Grotar]

Polls seem to suggest otherwise. I wonder why so much emphasis is put on the Russian minority whereas the majority of East-Ukrainians disagree to be united with Russia:

Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state 2013:

AR Crimea 35.9%
Donetsk 29.8%
Lugansk 29.4%
Оdessa 22.8%

Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state February, 8-18 2014:

AR Crimea 41.0%
Donetsk 33.2%
Lugansk 24.1%
Оdessa 24.0%

Of course some will doubt these polls but I will stick to them unless they are proven to be biased.


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Oh look a poll form Kiev marketing agency that surely holds more truth than actual referendum that was held in Lugansk and Donetsk. You keep believing what suits you. If you actually bothered to check some footage from locals you can see how much they hate Kiev armies and what atrocities they ( army, national guard ) have done.

Surely you haven't forgotten Oddesa massacre ?

 

[-SD-]

Yes, both USA and Russia were shit, are shit and probably continue to be shit. I was not picking sides with my post.

 

[Grotar]

A minority that wants to be part of Russia does not get to determine whether or not they should get to succeed from Ukraine. United States isn't a homogeneous population but that doesn't mean that people can decide to just get up and declare states separate countries. Besides I am sure that Russia would let area's of their country succeed............

Frankly people like you have continually brought up this russia propaganda without showing that the majority of the people in the region actually want to be part of Russia. The russian population are not second class citizens or oppressed against either. There is absolutely no legitimate case for actively destabilizing the region.

But violent minority ( most of them followers of nazi war criminal Stepan Bandera ideology ) at Maidan that throws molotov cocktails and shoots at police gets to bring democratically elected president (who was voted by majority) down?

So one minority gets to chose faith of the country while other minority cant..

Oh yes once ''new government'' banned the use of Russian language then Russians surely had no reason to feel as second class citizens.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Oh yes once ''new government'' banned the use of Russian language then Russians surely had no reason to feel as second class citizens.

Are people fined or something for speaking Russian? No.

And that law (which is not a new law, but the repeal of another one) is not yet signed into action anyway.

Both sides are waging a propaganda war, you can't trust everything Russia says and everything Ukraine says. That's war and conflict.

 

[Simplet]

What do you know, a new batch of juniors and they're all ready to take this thread in all kinds of new and exciting directions.

We've never been there before. Nope.

 

[yuraya]

Polls seem to suggest otherwise. I wonder why so much emphasis is put on the Russian minority whereas the majority of East-Ukrainians disagree to be united with Russia:

Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state 2013:

AR Crimea 35.9%
Donetsk 29.8%
Lugansk 29.4%
Оdessa 22.8%

Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state February, 8-18 2014:

AR Crimea 41.0%
Donetsk 33.2%
Lugansk 24.1%
Оdessa 24.0%

Of course some will doubt these polls but I will stick to them unless they are proven to be biased.


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Ukraine is a country of nearly 50 million people. 25-40% in these regions is not something you should call a minority. Minority is more like 5-10%. If anything..that poll shows exactly why there is a civil war in the country right now. The poll is kind of irrelevant now anyway because it was taken back in feb and only questioned 2000 respondents. A lot has changed since.

 

[jakonovski]

Journalists of the Finnish paper Helsingin Sanomat, reporting from Ukraine, encountered separatist soldiers together with what seemed to be Russian soldiers and Russia-only tanks.

http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/HS+näki+todisteita+venäläisjoukoista+Itä-Ukrainassa/a1409625531226 (link in Finnish)

 

[Outcome]

Ukraine, ie, the only one pertinent to this thread, also stands out as another example unless somehow shooting people and lobbing artillery at them is somehow morally superior to aerial bombing.

According to RU media it is Ukraine who shelling civil towns. As I see, according to West media it is rebels (supported by Putin) who shelling civil towns. That information war is the most disgusting thing ever. But I found this in the official United Nations Human Rights report:

Heavy armament, including tanks, military aviation and helicopters were used [by Ukraine - my remark, see p.p. 14-15 of the report] in addition to artillery. The armed groups also use heavy weaponry, including missiles and tanks. Incidents involving civilian deaths have occurred without any possibility to ascertain beyond any doubt whether the casualties were caused by Ukrainian forces or armed groups. Among them: a five-year-old and his mother were killed by mortar shelling in Slovyansk on 20 June; two Russian journalists were killed on 17 June during a mortar attack near Luhansk; 2 employees
of the Public Utility Company “Water of Donbas” were killed by shelling at the water canal in the village of Semenivka on 10 June.

On the basis of the bolded text every party (e.g. RU or West medias) can interpret this report as they want/need/have to.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

This is a news thread. Keep this discussion news related.

 

[Grotar]

Nvm wont be discussing it anymore.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Ukraine is a country of nearly 50 million people. 25-40% in these regions is not something you should call a minority. Minority is more like 5-10%. If anything..that poll shows exactly why there is a civil war in the country right now. The poll is kind of irrelevant now anyway because it was taken back in feb and only questioned 2000 respondents. A lot has changed since.

Cool, let's tell the Hispanic and African America population in the US they are not a minority anymore.

And a lot has changed, I doubt in the favour of the seperatists.

If people want to secede from their country, they should do so in a peacefull way and with an overwhelming majority of approval from their regions.

Journalists of the Finnish paper Helsingin Sanomat, reporting from Ukraine, encountered separatist soldiers together with what seemed to be Russian soldiers and Russia-only tanks.

http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/HS+näki+todisteita+venäläisjoukoista+Itä-Ukrainassa/a1409625531226 (link in Finnish)

I wonder how those Russian soldiers feel about this. They are just following their orders, but did they even know they were being shipped off to Ukraine.

 

[Outcome]

I wonder how those Russian soldiers feel about this. They are just following their orders, but did they even know they were being shipped off to Ukraine.

They gotta be either mercenaries or volunteers retired from RU army (probably intentionally). If regular forces be sent to Ukraine in an uncovered fashion then UNO will declare a RU=>Ukraine invasion, but UNO hasn't done it, even though it is a pro-US-organization which means that they (mighty CIA) would find evidence if there were any.

 

[Outcome]

Interesting news, U.S. intelligence veterans (names included) warning German Chancellor Merkel:
Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Official Washington – and the specter of a new Cold War – U.S. intelligence veterans took the unusual step of sending this Aug. 30 memo to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian “invasion.”:

You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian “invasion” of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the “intelligence” seems to be of the same dubious, politically “fixed” kind used 12 years ago to “justify” the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.

 

[MisterFalcon]

Consortium News is typical conspiracy drivel where everything is always US Agression or False Flag.

 

[dan2026]

What on earth is going on any more?

Are we heading for World War 3?

How the hell did that happen all of a sudden?

 

[zoukka]

I wonder how those Russian soldiers feel about this. They are just following their orders, but did they even know they were being shipped off to Ukraine.

I read an interview of a captive russian soldier and yes they did know they were sent to Ukraine and no they didn't want to go. But it's not like a soldier has a say to what he must do.

The average folk do not want war and never have.

What on earth is going on any more?

Are we heading for World War 3?

How the hell did that happen all of a sudden?

How did it ever happen in human history? Nothing happens suddenly. Nothing changes. History repeats itself endlessly.

 

[Outcome]

Consortium News is typical conspiracy drivel where everything is always US Agression or False Flag.

They are not the source. But I cannot track the primary source. Here is another:
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/09/02/nato-and-ukraine-warning
May be it is forged. 100% proof is only if Merkel comments on it))

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Consortium News is typical conspiracy drivel where everything is always US Agression or False Flag.

I don't know what you're talking about, looks completely legit and lacking an agenda.

 

[enewtabie]

Looks like all facts to me lol.

Come on. At this point nobody can deny that Russian troops are inside Ukraine and are actively taking part in the conflict, through supplying weapons and advisors or armaments. These mercs/volunteers aren't getting ahold of Russian surface to air missles/tanks. The BMPs had the Russian flag still on them in some cases. The volunteers are carrying RPG30s. They didn't go into service until the last year.

Now getting past the obvious. How far do they go. The Ukrainians are apparently going on defense since they can't beat the Russian army head on. If the Russians continue to press, it's going to be bad for that country.

 

[Nikodemos]

Wow, someone worse than RussiaToday. It takes a bit of effort, you know.

 

[kess]

Hey look, the same debunked talking points from five months ago.

Is Russian media seriously calling the clashes in May the "Odessa Massacre"? Even the UN says that the "pro-federalist" side instigated that.

 

[MysticX]

Wow, someone worse than RussiaToday. It takes a bit of effort, you know.

that actually made me chuckle

quick let´s make a new news blog and claim that kermit is a russain spy then everyone believes it

this is all getting sickening

 

[PopeReal]

Hey look, the same debunked talking points from five months ago.

Is Russian media seriously calling the clashes in May the "Odessa Massacre"? Even the UN says that the "pro-federalist" side instigated that.

I wonder what they call the Russian murder of civilians on an aircraft? Just curious.

 

[Veritigo_X]

I wonder what they call the Russian murder of civilians on an aircraft? Just curious.

"No conclusive evidence to support that pro-Russian rebels shot down the plane, but Ukraine would benefit the most from such actions." Or something like that.

 

[Chumly]

Interesting news, U.S. intelligence veterans (names included) warning German Chancellor Merkel:
Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Official Washington – and the specter of a new Cold War – U.S. intelligence veterans took the unusual step of sending this Aug. 30 memo to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian “invasion.”:

Let's be honest here. It's been collaborated by several countries and Independant news orgizations on the ground. Plus we have the "lost" Russian troops that were captured. This is in no way the same as Iraq. Besides the source being garbage they don't actually go into detail how this is all fake.

 

[kess]

"No conclusive evidence to support that pro-Russian rebels shot down the plane, but Ukraine would benefit the most from such actions." Or something like that.

Uh, that's why the separatists dismantled the plane and placed the victims in a train, right?

 

[Mael]

Let's be honest here. It's been collaborated by several countries and Independant news orgizations on the ground. Plus we have the "lost" Russian troops that were captured. This is in no way the same as Iraq. Besides the source being garbage they don't actually go into detail how this is all fake.

I loved the selfie taken by a soldier with instagram indicating ukraine myself

 

[Interferon]

At the end of the day, I think every sane country would rather be a US ally than Russian

How sweet and modest, not sure which is worse TBH

 

[MacNille]

How sweet and modest, not sure which is worse TBH

Being an ally of russia is awful.