The Abnett and Lanning Nova stuff is a good choice too.
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ThyMusicMan
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Hells yeah. Been busy getting ready for this move and what not,,
kinda forgot about all my hype for this book.
You see/get that Geof Darrow variant Tim?
p.s.... also I did buy crappy gimmick comics. (from DCBS)
A lot of the art I've seen looks pretty good,, But every since that Joker/Gorilla story I am anxious about the gimmick stories.
Added to the list, thanks.
Tawney Bomb
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I'm right there with you, I miss the old universe and it's not even nostalgia.
Supermanisdead
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Can anyone spoil what's happening in Original Sin? Just the bullet points of the event so far.
I liked his Ultimate X-Men *shrug*
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Man, I really miss the old Bat universe. It was like this one, only it had awesome characters like Oracle and Huntress and cool Batgirls and a sensible, logical timeline that had been carefully sculpted over generations. Now it's just "everything is the same until we decide it isn't", frustrating. I still like Batman, but not as much as I used to. I can't tell if this is just me getting older, or my reaction to the gutting of a universe I spent considerable time in for my whole life. Going back and reading Rucka's old Tec run was a breath of fresh air lately. So breezy and fun.
/whine over!
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Yeah I wanna know what's going on
And comic prices have spoiled me so much. I was gonna pick up some manga today but each volume is like ten bucks a pop. For ten bucks I could buy an Image trade that will take much longer to read. Guess I'll just stick to ordering manga online...
You are singing my song.
Everything felt like it had weight and significance before.
Then they threw half of it out of the window, kept the other half and stirred what the had left into a jumbled mess.
Batman used to be my boy, now its just a drag.
Also they reconnected away my favourite Batgirl just so they could have Barbara as Batgirl again. Even though she was infinitely more interesting as Oracle.
Did Oracle even exist now? Fucked if I know, fucked if I even care.
I'm a digital reader, but I'll probably pick it up this weekend at Cincy Comic Con. I need to figure out what I want Browne to sketch for me, my initial thought was a member of the Royal Tiger Eating a Cheeseburger family, but this morning I thought maybe Darkseid eating a cheeseburger. Decisions, decisions.
I try to ignore DC's retcons and create my own continuity.
I still dont consider New 52 Batman as not the "real"Batman
Whats his origin now?
I thought that Millers Batman: Year One was still his original origin, but now its Year Zero? Or happened Year Zero after Year One (What would only make sense from what Ive seen, but zero comes before one...)
I still dont consider New 52 Batman as not the "real"Batman
Whats his origin now?
I thought that Millers Batman: Year One was still his original origin, but now its Year Zero? Or happened Year Zero after Year One (What would only make sense from what Ive seen, but zero comes before one...)
Someone needs to create a "Choose your own continuity" webpage where you can pick and choose bits and pieces of Batman lore to create your own continuity.
GrandHarrier
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Guys none of the stuff you are saying you loved about the old universe was even the original universe. It was the result of a retcon that mashed and jumbled a bunch of shit together. It took time for it to sort itself out into what it was just before the reboot. And having read both the old stuff and the new stuff there was just as much dumb shit in the old universe as there is in the new one.
I really hope I never become so jaded.
The "real" [Golden Age] Batman is dope. He didn't give a shit about guns. He'd straight merc gangsters.
I really hope I never become so jaded.
I still dont consider New 52 Batman as not the "real"Batman
The "real" [Golden Age] Batman is dope. He didn't give a shit about guns. He'd straight merc gangsters.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The nu52 would've been fine if everyone started from the beginning but noooooooo Geoff Johns had to finish his Green Lantern run and Morrison had to finish Batman Inc.
KoruptData
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I like old stuff, I like new stuff. I just tell myself Flashpoint happened and it changed how things happened. Also, the Multiverse, the original timeline could still exist.
To be fair the only people I know Batman actually shot with his gun were vampires. Using silver bullets.
And everyone knows vampires aren't people.
Wow, someone here called Original Sin (I had hoped Marvel wouldn't be stupid enough to make it happen).
Ah well, I may get my new Bucky series with him as "The man on the wall", but I am done getting sucked into these events, a waste of time.
Personally if there's a 616 reboot I think Marvel should just have classic WWII/spy Fury in the 40's- 60's (no Infinity Formula, just a regular guy) and then SLJ Fury in present day.
Fury is doomed to be a Watcher, though The Orb has an eye.
Ah well, I may get my new Bucky series with him as "The man on the wall", but I am done getting sucked into these events, a waste of time.
Personally if there's a 616 reboot I think Marvel should just have classic WWII/spy Fury in the 40's- 60's (no Infinity Formula, just a regular guy) and then SLJ Fury in present day.
Guys none of the stuff you are saying you loved about the old universe was even the original universe. It was the result of a retcon that mashed and jumbled a bunch of shit together. It took time for it to sort itself out into what it was just before the reboot. And having read both the old stuff and the new stuff there was just as much dumb shit in the old universe as there is in the new one.
I really hope I never become so jaded.
The "real" [Golden Age] Batman is dope. He didn't give a shit about guns. He'd straight merc gangsters.
True story. Golden Age Batman straight up murdered people like every issue.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Me. I called it. And I still loved it.
Another masterwork from the ever lovin' house of ideas.
It didn't stop them with Infinite Crisis.
I don't expect them to go back to the pre-Flashpoint continuity, but they'll probably be "merged" to bring back some popular missed sections and so they can pick and choose continuity. Again.
And I kinda look forward to it. If it's done competently there could be some great character beats. I've said before, I want to see Clark *pissed* with Barry for ruining his marriage.
The major things you need to know are:
The Watcher is murdered and his eyes (which "store" everything he has seen) are stolen.
Captain America assembles teams to investigate the murder.
In a battle in New York, the Orb has the Watcher's eyes and releases the secrets they contain. A lot of this is covered in tie-in issues (Angela being Thor and Loki's sister, Stark tampering with the gamma bomb that made Banner the Hulk etc.) Thor also becomes unworthy and can't pick up Mjolnir any more.
As well as working for SHIELD, Nick Fury has been secretly guarding the Earth against intergalactic threats as an assassin all these years. He's run out of infinity formula causing him to age rapidly, and has a bunch of highly advanced life model decoys.
Fury is thought to be responsible for The Watcher's death so the teams attack him
Captain America assembles teams to investigate the murder.
In a battle in New York, the Orb has the Watcher's eyes and releases the secrets they contain. A lot of this is covered in tie-in issues (Angela being Thor and Loki's sister, Stark tampering with the gamma bomb that made Banner the Hulk etc.) Thor also becomes unworthy and can't pick up Mjolnir any more.
As well as working for SHIELD, Nick Fury has been secretly guarding the Earth against intergalactic threats as an assassin all these years. He's run out of infinity formula causing him to age rapidly, and has a bunch of highly advanced life model decoys.
Fury is thought to be responsible for The Watcher's death so the teams attack him
Spoilers for the last issue:
We see a flashback and it turns out Fury did actually kill him. His moon base had been attacked and raided by the Orb, Exterminatrix and Dr Midas who stole a bunch of stuff as well as injuring him and taking one eye. The Watcher has basically had enough of knowing everything and attacks Fury who has no other choice but to shoot him in the head. He takes his other eye after doing so.
Flash forward and everyone is fighting in the Watcher's moon base. Dr Midas wants to take all of the equipment and secrets he had acquired but Fury "sacrifices" himself by taking him down with the power of one of the eyes and destroying the base in the process.
In the end we see Bucky has taken over Fury's role as protector of earth which is spinning out into a new series, and Fury has survived the blast and basically becomes the new Watcher. The Orb is also still alive and in possession of the other eye
Flash forward and everyone is fighting in the Watcher's moon base. Dr Midas wants to take all of the equipment and secrets he had acquired but Fury "sacrifices" himself by taking him down with the power of one of the eyes and destroying the base in the process.
In the end we see Bucky has taken over Fury's role as protector of earth which is spinning out into a new series, and Fury has survived the blast and basically becomes the new Watcher. The Orb is also still alive and in possession of the other eye
Lots of people, including myself, called that ending ages ago.
Honestly, I'd rather that than him completely killed off on the altar of Nu Nick Fury Jr.
At least he has a roll in Futures End and a decent roll in Batman Eternal.
His talk with Terry Mcginnis was pretty cool I thought. Hopefully he does something more before it ends.
GrandHarrier
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People seem to misunderstand this. He was still Batman's sidekick. He just used the name Red Robin. It's not that big of a deal.
Well Birdie, I guess that's another one on your big list of loved things
I wonder how Steranko feels about this, he must be kind of pissed.
I guess you're right. I would rather have Ultimate Fury instead of generic angry Blandy Junior though, Coulson is fine though I guess.
God I hate Nu Nick Fury Jr. Such an awful way to introduce a pointless character.
Thankfully I haven't seen him about in any of the books I've read.
Hoping he got killed off somewhere. But he's probably still skulking about.
Beside the Tim Drake/Robin-thing, the changes really dont bother me. Mainly because I am not this big into DC, there are just some things like Barbara Gordon isnt Oracle anymore or Superman not more married to Lois Lane, which I prefer to the current Status Quo.
There are strange decision like the Batmans & Green Lanterns 60 year history happened in the last 5 years, which I really dont like.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Is Wolverine Wolverworth it?
Junior is stinking up Secret Avengers, everyone who reads the book cares about MODOK, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Spider-Woman and Coulson though. It looks like Fury may be shifted to Waid's Agents of SHIELD book, which is a good place to get him away from everyone.
Ultimate Fury is a better replacement, just bring him in and forget about Junior.
Tawney Bomb
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That's what hurts the most for me too. I enjoyed the Batman Inc concept, so having Dick as Batman felt pretty cool, it felt really dull when they made him Nightwing again. Batgirl hurt too, hell we even had Cass, though in a more limited role, she still existed. Even some of the villains who haven't popped back up yet. I don't think it's getting older, I still enjoy the old stories, but this new stuff, it just isn't doing it.
I haven't read a Wolverine solo in ages so I'm not properly up to speed as to how he lost his healing factor, but I really enjoyed it. A good set up, but I didn't realise it was only four issues.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
That's why Grayson is so def, though. With Spyral, it's the Batman Inc-iest book DC has right now.
I feel the same way. There were books I liked pre-new 52 and books that desperately needed a reboot to happen:
- Wonder Woman (JMS' run, uhhh ok)
- Superman (JMS' again! Ahhh!)
- Batman (Tony Daniel writing four issues about Sensei)
There are titles I miss:
- Secret Six!
- Detective Comics (Don't care much for the new 52 Detective)
- JSA
- Batman: Streets of Gotham
At least you can always go back to those great titles again.
It hurts! The pain is real.
All the character developments from that great series lost.
I won't stand for puns in our community
ThyMusicMan
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Haha,, nice. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
Good to hear,, I wasn't paying any attention to it or planning on getting it,, I saw Soule was writing it and the art looked good. So ill check it out. Got the Deadpool memorial variant
Yeah I felt like Original Sin just lost a lot of steam or whatever the last couple issues. Haven't read #8 yet
GrandHarrier
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So, apparently, there is a very
like character in Future's End: Action Comics.
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Donna Troy
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Tyrant Rave
Banned
Superior Foes of Spider-Man 15
So good.
All of you guys tradewaiting/omniwaiting/waitingingeneral are in for such a treat.
So good.
All of you guys tradewaiting/omniwaiting/waitingingeneral are in for such a treat.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Widow makes me sad.
The stars could be a nod towards that.
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