Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XV: Kübler-Ross Edition

The amount of content sakurai would have to add to make smash appeal to everyone would mean that it would be in development for 10 years and cost more money than they could ever make back. He has to pick and choose, and It has to be way more stressful for him to KNOW all the things fans want but not be able to add them all because of lack of unlimited time and money.

I missed this back when you originally posted it, but yeah, well said. I legitimately feel bad for Sakurai; he has gone on the record saying how deciding who stays in, who gets added into, and who gets kicked out of each Smash roster causes him enough anxiety to regularly lose sleep, and I believe it. The man is one of the most passionate game developers there's ever been, and he obviously doesn't want to disappoint anyone. But naturally Smash fans can be utterly ruthless and you can't please everyone, and he knows that anyone he disappoints is going to take it personally and be as horrible as they can to him about it.

He's basically saying the trophy theory doesn't make sense and isn't proof of anything.

Ah, got it. Thanks!

How can you compare those? Ridley has been in most Metroid games as an awesome boss (He's pretty much Metroid's Ganon) and people wanted him (and believed him in) since melee.

I don't think there is an obssession with K Rool, he just makes sense to appear, tho in my opinion as a boss.

Geno is your valid point, I don't know either how he got so much fans voting for him for Smash Bros, and I like him too.

Eh, I wasn't really comparing them. I was just saying that I personally never understood the fervor behind having Ridley, K. Rool, and Geno in Smash, and I don't. If you want to actually compare them, sure, I certainly agree that of the three, Ridley is the most important and prominent character in his series (though I'd argue that in the grand scheme of Nintendo lore and characters, Ridley and K. Rool are about equal in terms of importance/relevance). But despite all that, I just don't see the hype behind having Ridley in Smash. Again, that's personally; there are no doubt just as many people out there who would go (and have gone), "Mega Man? Why should I care about him and why does he deserve to be in Smash?" and that's fine. Everyone has their preferences!

My respect for you has dropped somewhat after the bolded statement.
While Wii Fit Trainer was a surprise for us, it's not as if no one had ever guessed them before. Even Sakurai didn't speak in absolutes when he brought her up:
"... pretty much no one imagined this character would join the battle."
There were some people who predicted her, no matter how umcommon they are. There are almost no characters out there who haven't gotten a character request.

I'm not saying this to discredit the leak, I'm saying this because speaking in absolutes like "literally no one ever thought of this" just makes you sound bad. Nothing is impossible.

Seriously, anyone defending the leaks needs to chill the fuck out before saying absolutely no one thought Wii Fit Trainer could be in.

And my ability to take your reply seriously dropped like a rock after I read the bolded statement. Unless you're completely kidding, I will never understand why anyone says things like this. You're a random dude on the Internet; why in the world should I care how much respect you have for me, and why would you even think that will keep me up at night? I'm more concerned about the fact that something as innocuous as an opinion about a video game leak would actually cause you to lose or gain respect for anyone, let alone me.

Anyway, you obviously read my post, so didn't you also see that I said "nearly if not literally?" Nearly. Maybe I should have left out the "if not literally" part, but I said "nearly" and it still stands. It's nearly impossible that anyone could or would have correctly predicted Wii Fit Trainer.

It's so obvious the Gematsu leak is based on legitimate information (most likely from very early in development) it hurts, and it shocks me some people can't see that. To date, the Gematsu leak has gotten exactly one thing wrong: Chrom (and, if you want to be really nitpicky, the exact time of Shulk's reveal). From the Japanese demo event, we can now see how easily someone who's not personally familiar with Fire Emblem: Awakening could have mistaken Chrom for being playable after seeing him in Robin's victory screen.

On the other hand, the Gematsu leak has gotten tons of things right, including things that would be, again, unreasonably difficult and unlikely to specifically guess: Wii Fit Trainer, the specific Mii Fighter name, Shulk (hindsight bias tells us he was an obvious newcomer, but in reality he really, REALLY wasn't obvious at all), and - yes, I'm going there - Mega Man. Yeah, everyone knows he's been Smash's most-requested newcomer after Sonic, but at the time that Smash 4's development was ramping up, Capcom had all but killed Mega Man and made it crystal clear that they gave zero fucks about how much the fans wanted him back in any way, let alone in a new game. So Mega Man wasn't exactly an incredibly risky prediction, but neither was he an obvious shoo-in.

The last remaining piece of the Gematsu puzzle is the Chorus Kids. If they're not in the final roster, that'll make two major things Gematsu has gotten wrong -- IF they're not eventually added as DLC, which I believe is a very strong possibility if they're not in the roster already. The first major thing it got wrong - Chrom - can be very easily explained away now, so there's really less reason than ever to doubt that the Gematsu leak was and is legit.

So again, at the end of it all, we come to the same old adage: 90% correct = 100% incorrect. It's ludicrous.

lol hardly....


and to be fair,. the other side of the argument is that he's not automatically legit just because he got some things right. Chorus Kids? Chrom? Shulk reveal? He was wrong...multiple times...whether he was legit or not, you can't be that one-sided.

Whoa, you're being hasty. We cannot definitively say that Gematsu has gotten the Chorus Kids wrong yet, and we won't be able to for some time. If they're not in the final roster, they could still be on deck for DLC, and that's something we won't be able to verify either way for awhile yet.
 
Snake: Mod the game and add him yourself

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Did anyone find it weird that Plautena don't have Medusa Alt color?

Perhaps Medusa was planned to be playable character in the game but she got cut due to time constriction, along with Ice Climbers and Chorus Kid. Yeah, it was just wild guess.
 
If you could go back to the days of Melee and predict where the series would be on it's fourth (and fifth) iteration in terms of characters, stages and series representation how close would you be? You've only got to do a google search on rosters people made for a Melee sequel back in the era of 2004/5 to see what was going through people's heads. Would anybody guess that... ROB would be in? ROB!
I actually remember a lot of people guessing ROB showing up as the Mr. Game and Watch of the third Smash. It was only when ROB was revealed as a generic enemy in the Subspace game that most people thought he wouldn't be in.
 
I am really debating buying the 3DS version of Smash... I don't own a 3DS myself, but I have always been a HUGE smash fan. So the idea would be steal my girlfriend's 3DS for a week or so, pre-order the 3DS version somewhere so I can get it release day, and play the shit out of it for a week, then on-and-off following until the Wii-U release.
 
Did anyone find it weird that Plautena don't have Medusa Alt color?

Perhaps Medusa was planned to be playable character in the game but she got cut due to time constriction, along with Ice Climbers and Chorus Kid. Yeah, it was just wild guess.
Or maybe she wasn't cut

*Incoming meltdowns*
 
I think that because of how they were teased in their respective trailers, Mumkhar will be unlockable just like Dark Pit.

who's with me
 
I'm awake again! Only one more week of work and then it's SMASH TIME! #woopwoop #pulloverpalutena

Are you sure it's not the one that was in Brawl? That would make 3 of 8 of his colors blue if he has a new blue one.

Positive. It's a light denim blue costume with a navy(?) helmet and a red scarf, iirc.

Hope Gaur Plains is the secondary track.

Does Metal Head appear during Gaur Plains?

Considering that Gaur Plains was featured in the trailer, I'd say there's a very good chance it will be the second track on the 3DS version. Metal Head didn't show up looking for Monado Boy in the match that I played, but it might just be randomized and he didn't appear--or he appears only in the Wii U version. (For what it's worth, Yellow Devil and Dark Lord showed up during my playthroughs on Wily's Castle and Find Mii respectively.)

Were you able to try the spirit tracks stage? Was link definitely on there as conductor? He was missing from E3

Yep! He was doing a really shitty job, too, because we definitely got rammed by another train, lol.

Hmm... so I guess Robin only has 4 male and 4 female costumes? Since Villager and Wii Fit Trainer are only 4 and 4.

I'd be so disappointed if there's no purple-haired version.

Yeah, it's four and four. I don't remember seeing a purple-haired one... There was the standard outfit, a blue-ish one, a red-white cloak with black hair, and something else (green, maybe?).

Not when you put it that way, of course. Different strokes for different folks.

All that Geno talk made me realize how easy it would be to replace him in a new RPG. Not that we need one since we have Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi, but just sayin'.

Replace this

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with this

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and nothing of value was lost.

OMG I NEED THIS. What I wouldn't give for another Mario RPG with these characters.
 
I missed this back when you originally posted it, but yeah, well said. I legitimately feel bad for Sakurai; he has gone on the record saying how deciding who stays in, who gets added into, and who gets kicked out of each Smash roster causes him enough anxiety to regularly lose sleep, and I believe it. The man is one of the most passionate game developers there's ever been, and he obviously doesn't want to disappoint anyone. But naturally Smash fans can be utterly ruthless and you can't please everyone, and he knows that anyone he disappoints is going to take it personally and be as horrible as they can to him about it.

This gets me thinking... If /b had a great success with sending Iwata a "Get Well Soon" card, I wonder how successful we would be in sending Sakurai a "Thank You" card for all that he does in trying to make all of Smash's fans happy. He's got a Herculean, if not impossible task, and even though there are some pretty big downers in the roster for some of us, a ton of us here seem to be really happy with the roster.
 
This gets me thinking... If /b had a great success with sending Iwata a "Get Well Soon" card, I wonder how successful we would be in sending Sakurai a "Thank You" card for all that he does in trying to make all of Smash's fans happy. He's got a Herculean, if not impossible task, and even though there are some pretty big downers in the roster for some of us, a ton of us here seem to be really happy with the roster.

Oh wow, this is a fantastic idea. I'm totally onboard with this!
 
I'm not sure what I'm going to do about Smash 3DS either. I already have it pre-ordered (and fully paid), but I live in Australia with an NSTC 3DS, which means it'll take at least a week to arrive here. I think waiting that week would kill my enjoyment of the game, since I'd miss the initial excitement of the launch. I was also going to get an XL because I'm still concerned it's going to be hard to play in the OG 3DS, but with the announcement of the New3DS that isn't happening now.

So...I think I might cancel the pre-order and then buy digital. That way I can eventually transfer the game to a New3DS anyway, and Smash is the kind of game I'd always want to have on-hand, I suppose. Not a huge fan of going digital, but I'll be getting physical for Wii U and the box-art for the 3DS isn't very appealing.
 
Way back miiverse updated with a pic of the day that involved the ice climbers polar bear. It was replaced with a different pic and it faded from memory. However I did make a gif for it that's just been sitting on my hard drive until now...

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This is greatness.

This gets me thinking... If /b had a great success with sending Iwata a "Get Well Soon" card, I wonder how successful we would be in sending Sakurai a "Thank You" card for all that he does in trying to make all of Smash's fans happy. He's got a Herculean, if not impossible task, and even though there are some pretty big downers in the roster for some of us, a ton of us here seem to be really happy with the roster.
This would be so great. I would definitely want to be a part of it. Even if you didn't get your favorite character or franchise represented the way you wanted it to, Sakurai has put so much amazing content and love into this series. He deserves it.
 
OMG I NEED THIS. What I wouldn't give for another Mario RPG with these characters.

Ever since I've played Super Mario 3D World I've been really really wishing they'd remake Super Mario RPG with the Super Mario 3D World engine. The game's artstyle just fits so well to me.


Is that Ridley's shadow on this face?

Is he grabbing link?

Cuz if he's grabbing link he must be confirmed! :P
 
Have Robin's hair colors been confirmed? I really hope they have male black, since that'd be fairly close to my first avatar in Awakening.

Did anyone find it weird that Plautena don't have Medusa Alt color?

Perhaps Medusa was planned to be playable character in the game but she got cut due to time constriction, along with Ice Climbers and Chorus Kid. Yeah, it was just wild guess.

Huh? What are Palutena's colors?
 
Once the 3DS successor launches I'm so getting a JP console, I think it'll be worth it for occasions like this alone. Playing Smash 3 weeks before the NA release is too fucking much for me to ignore
 
Did anyone find it weird that Plautena don't have Medusa Alt color?

Perhaps Medusa was planned to be playable character in the game but she got cut due to time constriction, along with Ice Climbers and Chorus Kid. Yeah, it was just wild guess.

There was a black/purple outfit that seemed to be inspired by Medusa. ;)
 
This gets me thinking... If /b had a great success with sending Iwata a "Get Well Soon" card, I wonder how successful we would be in sending Sakurai a "Thank You" card for all that he does in trying to make all of Smash's fans happy. He's got a Herculean, if not impossible task, and even though there are some pretty big downers in the roster for some of us, a ton of us here seem to be really happy with the roster.

He knows what he must do to earn my happiness.
Or else it'll be a backhanded compliment.

"Thanks for making smash my favorite fighter of all time! Too bad you cut Snake so it's not as good though"
 
This gets me thinking... If /b had a great success with sending Iwata a "Get Well Soon" card, I wonder how successful we would be in sending Sakurai a "Thank You" card for all that he does in trying to make all of Smash's fans happy. He's got a Herculean, if not impossible task, and even though there are some pretty big downers in the roster for some of us, a ton of us here seem to be really happy with the roster.
That was us. /v/ sent NoA the CONGRATS ON E3 card. /b/ has an even worse reputation than /v/ so I doubt they sent anyone anything resembling a card.

Also I'd join in if we agree to make it in the silhouette of Ridley. It's about sending a message.
 
Yep! He was doing a really shitty job, too, because we definitely got rammed by another train, lol.

Woohoo, thanks! Not that i doubted it, because it was a picture of the day, but it was weird to see it absent from the E3 build. Must have been a stability thing.
 
Did anyone find it weird that Plautena don't have Medusa Alt color?

Perhaps Medusa was planned to be playable character in the game but she got cut due to time constriction, along with Ice Climbers and Chorus Kid. Yeah, it was just wild guess.
Does she have a Pandora alt? Pandora confirmed?
 
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