Netherscourge
Banned
Well, since each zone and city is limited to 12 players??, I don't see how it can feel more populated...
(I don't think I ever saw more than 12 people in one area or the tower at a time)
Bungie speaks out on Destiny review delay.
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Well, since each zone and city is limited to 12 players??, I don't see how it can feel more populated...
(I don't think I ever saw more than 12 people in one area or the tower at a time)
I agree that it's a totally different situation when there has been an open beta. They don't have anything to hide. Add to that the fact that the player-base excuse is a legit one and I'm on Bungie's side here.
The beta convinced me not to buy the game, so I really appreciate Bungie's honesty and openness in making it open to all before it ended. I'll keep that in mind in the future as a plus point for them - I like being treated well as a consumer.
The beta convinced me not to buy the game, so I really appreciate Bungie's honesty and openness in making it open to all before it ended. I'll keep that in mind in the future as a plus point for them - I like being treated well as a consumer.
Question.
For those calling "bullshit" on this or concerned this means a lack of content because no Day One reviews, why exactly does this matter? I mean, you were already waiting for reviews so what's another couple of days? Your interest doesn't appear all that high to begin with so it's not like getting a jump on the game should be a concern.
For those calling "bullshit" on this or concerned this means a lack of content because no Day One reviews, why exactly does this matter? I mean, you were already waiting for reviews so what's another couple of days? Your interest doesn't appear all that high to begin with so it's not like getting a jump on the game should be a concern.
I should have clarified as "entertainment industries".
Well if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt then fair enough. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
Mr_Antimatter
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I don't agree with this. Diablo 3 had a playable beta, yet, that didn't mean the end game was really all that great. The bigger flaws were only apparent when the entire game was availible, and you could really find the flaws.
Ditto for EQOA. Betas were fun, but lacked content, with the assumption that it would be in the full release. In the end, it wasn't, and that really hurt it's overall enjoyment.
Inceptional
Member
I love how Activision and Bungie have twisted the review process by sending it out late and making it seem like any reviews posted within the next week will be bullshit. Man they've been smart with this one.
Conkerkid11
Member
This post doesn't make any sense.
My opinion of Destiny isn't based off of delayed reviews and the potential that the delay is because the game is bad.
I didn't enjoy the Destiny beta, but I'm certainly not jumping to the conclusion that if a developer wants their game to be reviewed under certain conditions, it must be because they're hiding something.
The title of the thread might as well be, "express your opinions regarding a game that hasn't released yet", because that's exactly what's happening.
Compare the thread title of the Sims 4 OT to the actual discussion. People are enjoying the hell out of a game they assumed they would hate based on the fact that no early review copies were given out, and that it "looked" bad.
Rastafarian42
Member
The Beta was all I needed to confirm my purchase hadn't had that much playing a FPS in a good long time. Game gets my purchase later tonight can't wait to dive into this with friends this weekend.
-MD-
Member
So this is an MMO now? Back during the beta everyone was saying it wasn't.
Mushroomer25
Member
I think for most people, it's less about their personal investment in the game - and more about setting a precedent. As long as the developer pushes customers to pre-order, it looks scummy as they also prevent reviews from being published prior to release. It shows little confidence in the final product, and sets up consumers to be taken advantage of.
Byron Bluth
Banned
It obviously wasn't Activisions choice.
Same here and more. Not one F was given by me about reviews. In fact I don't bother with reviews from mags or websites anymore. YouTube videos by players and the fellowship here on GAF is all I need.
Oh and that juicy Alpha sealed the deal for me. Thank you Bungie.
Id possibly understand that if every single person said they pre-ordered. What's the reason if they didn't?
BibiMaghoo
Member
It is a reasonable position. I have no issue with it on these grounds, though I had little to begin with.
You're not meant to play the game in a ghost town
I actually would kinda laugh it if the game ended up with 7s and 7.5s in aggregate reviews. That the alpha and beta already exposed all the best bits of the game (like a movie trailer!) That the final product was more of the same.
The post-release cognitive dissonance and confusion of everyone who lives and dies by metacritic or gamerankings would be amazing.
It could be the game's industry's first true summer Hollywood blockbuster - hated by critics, flocked to by audiences.
The post-release cognitive dissonance and confusion of everyone who lives and dies by metacritic or gamerankings would be amazing.
It could be the game's industry's first true summer Hollywood blockbuster - hated by critics, flocked to by audiences.
Of course I don't expect or want this really. I have no doubt it's going to review amazingly.
That's quite the leap to assume I have some sort of malicious intent towards a video game. I played the beta and I thought it was 'OK', and while I like to hunt for loot, I don't feel there's enough to warrant a $60 purchase. If there's a decent amount of content, and I enjoy the two or however many days I'll rent it for, I'll give it a buy.
Netherscourge
Banned
Agreed - I think Bungie did a great job with promoting and exposing this game to the fans and media.
However, I just don't have that "must buy" feeling for this game as I have others. I do think it's great for console fans to finally have a legit MMO-style game to compete with the PC crowd. (until of course Destiny comes to PC, but until then...if it ever happens...)
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
We are the true reviewers. We are Destiny. That's a great gesture of them. It's a gesture like this that will be highly overlooked. It's like this is fantastic, but some people are going to say it was this and that. In all honesty it's a great gesture.
We are the inquisition.
We are the inquisition.
Mushroomer25
Member
"Pushed" might be strong language, but there's no doubt that this industry heavily incentivizes preorders. Every time you walk into GameStop, every time you watch a trailer, every time the game's name is spoken, it's accompanied by a push to preorder now. Want an assured spot in the Beta? Better preorder the game. Want this cool T-shirt? Only with a preorder. There's gonna be a long line at release, better put your money down now...
As long as we encourage people to buy based on blind faith, we should expect that they can hear a real critique of the game before they're separated from their money.
Netherscourge
Banned
What's funny is that everyone playing the game said it wasn't a MMO, and then Bungie comes out with a end-game video talking about Raiding and how they want Destiny to be a MMO.
And now they're limiting reviews so that it's reviewed like a MMO.
If it looks like an MMO and walks like an MMO...it must be an MMO!
Were you on the alpha? It felt completely barren to me. I literally only saw three or four other players in my two hours of playing. Like I said, I'm giving it another try. I'm sure it will be fun.
midasmulligan
Member
No, no, no...I have been trying to separate this game from an mmo, cause after what ffxiv arr offers in terms of content and things to do, this will surely disappoint I'm afraid.
What gesture? They're doing this for themselves (at best to ensure best reviewing conditions) and not because they love us so much.
I haven't followed reviews since the early PS2 era, so they don't affect my purchasing decisions in any way.
With that said, I kept my Destiny preorder after playing the game for myself at E3, during the first look Alpha, and during the Beta, so if I haven't decided that the game is for me after all of that, then no review will.
As for those still on the fence, I think there are enough impressions from the people that have played it extensively that I don't really see how a review from websites would really be THAT much more helpful. Personally, outside if my own judgment, I hold the opinions of my gamer friends higher, with forum posters after that, and paid reviewers even further after that. And this is coming from a guy who also writes game reviews. The irony is not lost on me.
With that said, I kept my Destiny preorder after playing the game for myself at E3, during the first look Alpha, and during the Beta, so if I haven't decided that the game is for me after all of that, then no review will.
As for those still on the fence, I think there are enough impressions from the people that have played it extensively that I don't really see how a review from websites would really be THAT much more helpful. Personally, outside if my own judgment, I hold the opinions of my gamer friends higher, with forum posters after that, and paid reviewers even further after that. And this is coming from a guy who also writes game reviews. The irony is not lost on me.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I guess a game company can't do things anymore. In retrospect it's nice to think someone out there believes that way. You want to think that way. Why wait for someone to play 20 hours or more for a review when you can go a head and play it after alpha and beta testing it. I never thought twice to look at a Halo review before I bought it and this is their game after working on Halo for so long. I've bought Halo since it was on the OG Xbox and Reach. I have some faith in them already established.
Script_Flipper
Member
Don't have the urge to buy. This review embargo does affect me and my potential purchase. It sucks. But I understand their reasoning. Get the game populated enough to be judged fairly. Plus I played the alpha and beta so I have a good idea (and found it wanting).
Still would have liked to see reviews before hand. But I guess it matters little at this point.
Still would have liked to see reviews before hand. But I guess it matters little at this point.
BruiserBear
Banned
I'm not expecting that at all, and I played the beta, and will probably pick the game up tomorrow.
Arkam
Member
Yet the rest of us and our Online game modes get reviewed and rated pre-release. So EGM/GameInformer/IGN/Gamespot can i get those points back that you knocked off for our online mode since you played with only a dozen people?
Netherscourge
Banned
Alpha and Beta.
I agree, it felt barren to me too. I was in a few Towers with 12 people. But, it STILL felt barren to me with 12 people.
I think standard MMO's like Guild Wars, WoW ,etc.. have spoiled me with hundreds of players running around at the same time in the same zone. That's why Destiny felt very empty. That's why the first "M" in "MMO" doesn't really fit Destiny. Maybe if you call it a Mini-Multiplayer Online FPS. Or something?
Not having a Global Chat channel hurts too - you can't talk to anyone except people in your strike time and only through headsets.
And add to that no trading or auction house. So there's no commerce or economy to speak of.
It's basically just a co-op mission FPS-ARPG game with PvP.
Doesn't really do much for me. I wish it was more social.
quickwhips
Member
They couldn't get 16 people for town hub?
Mushroomer25
Member
I don't see how this benefits the player in any way other than lip service. They're preventing reviews of the game that they believe to be sub-optimal, and phrasing it as a compliment to the userbase. Nobody gains anything here, besides Bungie & Activision.
Officerrob
Banned
I'm not expecting that at all
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Did you order Halo 1-3, ODST, or Reach? I wasn't waiting for a reviewer to critique it at all. If I wait for a review for Destiny, it's just going to throw more shortcomings into why I wanted the game. Of course there could possibly be some major flaws, but I'm not waiting to see what some other person thought of the game. It's not like this is something completely different. It's a game after they made Halo and it's huge apparently. I don't really care, no offence, about what other sites are going to throw at it. I got to play the Alpha and Beta and I got to see what I thought about it.
Really, the only thing I'm getting out of this is that people care too much about reviews and validations for the things they want.
11/10s, right?
Press sneak fucks always out to destroy that precious hype
XANDER CAGE
Member
I'm not sure I understand this considering how instanced the game is. It's not like there would be empty wastelands about to be filled with hundreds of live players at once.
Its the Titanfall review thread all over again...
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