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[AdventureRacing]

How is it offensive? It's likely a statement of fact.

How can you read that post and not see how it was offensive? Lots of people still marry or stay with their partner out of domestic violence, often out of fear but in general it's an incredibly complicated issue. Accusing her of not wanting his earning power destroyed is disgusting and completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. Your making a huge assumption which may not be true and even if it was doesn't change the situation one bit.

If your responding to the other part of the post then it doesn't matter if the NFL is a law enforcement agency or not. They should know better than to interview them in the same room, it's common fucking sense.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

And there goes my fantasy team.


Thanks NFL, thanks Baltimore. Should have done this in the first place. Not the bullshit you're pulling to save face now that the vid leaked.

if your fantasy team was relying on Ray Rice you were already dead. Dude has a fork stuck out of his back.

 

[Trey]

if your fantasy team was relying on Ray Rice you were already dead. Dude has a fork stuck out of his back.

I was just going to post exactly this. If Ray Rice was the linchpin of your team, things weren't looking great for you.

 

[Saint Gregory]

People can change. If we're all judged by by our worst moments we're all "bad" guys then. I used to work at a counselling/rehab center and have seen many ex-drug dealers, convicts, alcoholics, women abusers completely turn their lives around and now work as motivational speakers, drug/alcohol counselors, community leaders, etc. Using their own stories to help others who may be going through the same things they went through and telling kids about the dangers of these things that almost ruined their lives.

His life isn't over, he only lost the privilege to play professional football. It sucks that he may have snapped momentarily and ruined his career but playing a professional sport requires that you hold yourself to the best possible standards. Knocking out your fiancé is pretty far below standard for anyone.

If he works hard enough to demonstrate that this incident was out of character for him then he can earn another chance just like anyone else but the amount of time that would take would probably last beyond any reasonable football career he could still have had.

 

[Badgerst3]

People can change. If we're all judged by by our worst moments we're all "bad" guys then. I used to work at a counselling/rehab center and have seen many ex-drug dealers, convicts, alcoholics, women abusers completely turn their lives around and now work as motivational speakers, drug/alcohol counselors, community leaders, etc. Using their own stories to help others who may be going through the same things they went through and telling kids about the dangers of these things that almost ruined their lives.

I actually get that. But own it and don't try to dance around what you did. And thn get your "wife" to do the same.

And no way Goodell is touched by this. Good or bad- no way besides a pr hit he is affected. His job is to keep the billions rolling in.

 

[AdventureRacing]

That could certainly be the case. I think the one observation I made about this incident is that a lot of women seem to care about this because a woman was involved. Even my wife asked me about it today, and she doesn't follow sports. In comparison, I remembered when the Ray Lewis incident occurred, the discussions I had were all with men. The women in my circle of friends and coworkers did not seem to pay much attention to that incident at the time.

All violence is bad but domestic violence is even worse that's why. This is a person who trusts you and has a lot invested into your relationship that you're being violent with. Because of that it's extremely difficult for them to remove themselves from the situation or to be able to come out for fear of what it means for them and embarrassment of how it will look.

Also look at the comparative size of the 2 people involved. Frankly she's lucky to be alive after a blow like that.

People can change. If we're all judged by by our worst moments we're all "bad" guys then. I used to work at a counselling/rehab center and have seen many ex-drug dealers, convicts, alcoholics, women abusers completely turn their lives around and now work as motivational speakers, drug/alcohol counselors, community leaders, etc. Using their own stories to help others who may be going through the same things they went through and telling kids about the dangers of these things that almost ruined their lives.

I'm happy to be judged by my worst moment and i wouldn't be a bad person if i was. We all have low points, not all of us get so low as to KO our GF's and then drag their limp bodies along the floor before leaving them there unconscious. If i ever do that i'm happy to have the book thrown at me as i would deserve.

If and when he has received adequate punishment for this then maybe i would start entertaining that sort of prospect.

Edit: Also that whole media press conference where they essentially pressured the victim into taking responsibility brings this all into question.If he had just owned up to it all and taking his licks that's one thing but to continue and worsen the situation by making her take responsibility is almost as disgusting as the incident itself. He and the others assisted him are disgusting human beings.

 

[xnipx]

So do people think domestic violence/anger management are beyond rehabilitation? I'm really appalled by some of the responses in this thread. And that's coming from a family with a rehabilitated abuser who didn't need to lose his job and all his money to learn his lesson. Why are people happy with this outcome?

 

[Y2Kev]

So do people think domestic violence/anger management are beyond rehabilitation? I'm really appalled by some of the responses in this thread. And that's coming from a family with a rehabilitated abuser who didn't need to lose his job and all his money to learn his lesson. Why are people happy with this outcome?

I'm all into rehabilitation. And now that Ray Rice is banned from football, he can spend time rehabilitating instead of partaking in press conferences where his wife apologizes for walking into his fist twice.

 

[Epcott]

My brother posted this on Facebook this morning. My reaction: "Damned if you beat up your wife in an elevator, and damned if you don't (and are beat up by her sister)." The people will rage either way, though in Ray's case, it's more deserved. That was a sickening video.

Overall, I like the Ravens. Two Superbowl wins since the team was established in 1996 and plenty of playoffs. Can't say the same for my region's team, The Red... uhhhh, Washington's team. I'm disappointed they waited so long before acting.

 

[AmuroChan]

His life isn't over, he only lost the privilege to play professional football. It sucks that he may have snapped momentarily and ruined his career but playing a professional sport requires that you hold yourself to the best possible standards. Knocking out your fiancé is pretty far below standard for anyone.

If he works hard enough to demonstrate that this incident was out of character for him then he can earn another chance just like anyone else but the amount of time that would take would probably last beyond any reasonable football career he could still have had.

I agree. The visual evidence also made the situation 10x worse. Had there been a leaked video of Ben Roethlisberger sexually assaulting that 20-yr old college student at the bar a couple years ago, he probably would've gotten a far more severe punishment than what he got.

 

[AdventureRacing]

So do people think domestic violence/anger management are beyond rehabilitation? I'm really appalled by some of the responses in this thread. And that's coming from a family with a rehabilitated abuser who didn't need to lose his job and all his money to learn his lesson. Why are people happy with this outcome?

I'm happy to entertain the idea of rehab after he receives adequate punishment which so far this guy has not. Lets not forget this isn't some regular job either, being a professional athlete brings with it certainly responsibilities.

I also think there are different levels of domestic abuse. In this case the woman in question was lucky to not have been killed by the severity of the incident. The way he dragged her and just left her there is just as disgusting really, he just didn't give a fuck and had no idea what condition she was in. Then there is the whole forcing her to take responsibility for the issue which just adds another layer to it.

My brother posted this on Facebook this morning. My reaction: "Damned if you beat up your wife in an elevator, and damned if you don't (and are beat up by her sister)." The people will rage either way, though in Ray's case, it's more deserved. That was a sickening video.

That might be relevant if he was actually getting attacked, he was not. Also look at the size of them and think about what he does for a living. Even if she was attacking him surely he would be able to restrain her without knocking her the fuck out. Your friend is a dick for posting that btw.

 

[Raistlin]

if your fantasy team was relying on Ray Rice you were already dead. Dude has a fork stuck out of his back.

I was just going to post exactly this. If Ray Rice was the linchpin of your team, things weren't looking great for you.

While not a linchpin per se, the problem is my league has 16 teams ... and our starting roster is QB, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, TE, Flex, D/ST, and K. As you can imagine rosters, let alone waivers, are thin as fuck. And that's especially true at RB. Realistically there aren't enough RB's in the NFL to even start for our league given how many teams use split backs.

So really any loss of a starter is pretty bad in this league, but it's especially true for running backs. As a cherry on top, Wes Welker was going to be at least contending as a starter for my team. Of course that decision was based on our draft that happened prior to his molly bust lol.

So before the season even began ... I went from one player missing 4 games ... to a different player missing 4 games and the first bloke ending his career. So basically if this doesn't kill me, I'm pretty much one starter getting injured away from my season already being tanked.

 

[AmuroChan]

I'm happy to entertain the idea of rehab after he receives adequate punishment which so far this guy has not. Lets not forget this isn't some regular job either, being a professional athlete brings with it certainly responsibilities.

And sadly NFL players on average are probably the worst out of all the sports in taking those responsibilities seriously. The NBA is a close second.

 

[Maxim726X]

I mean, do people really think that Godell is going lose his job over this?

I'd be hard pressed to agree to that even if the news comes out tomorrow stating that the NFL knew about the tape.

 

[Raistlin]

I mean, do people really think that Godell is going lose his job over this?

I'd be hard pressed to agree to that even if the news comes out tomorrow stating that the NFL knew about the tape.

We can hope.


He seems to be pretty universally disliked by NFL fans. The NFL has expanded under him (by a lot financially I suppose) ... but that seems to pretty obviously be despite him, not because of him. NFL doesn't seem to see it that way, or at least not care. Probably don't want to touch anything while the money trucks keep backing in.

Pretty shit league in many, many respects.

 

[GameGuru59]

How can you read that post and not see how it was offensive? Lots of people still marry or stay with their partner out of domestic violence, often out of fear but in general it's an incredibly complicated issue. Accusing her of not wanting his earning power destroyed is disgusting and completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. Your making a huge assumption which may not be true and even if it was doesn't change the situation one bit.

If your responding to the other part of the post then it doesn't matter if the NFL is a law enforcement agency or not. They should know better than to interview them in the same room, it's common fucking sense.

Why are you assuming she's staying with her partner out of fear? Why can't you just take her at her word? How is it not relevant that she would like to maintain her husband's earning power? It would certainly be more relevant if he were making 40K a year instead of six figures. Do you not understand that when you throw a family member in jail that destroys the family's ability to continue as a whole unit? This man had no prior run-ins with the law, and has not had any apparent incidents of violence since. For that, he should lose his job entirely? Again, this would be much more prescient to people if he were a middle class person.

So do people think domestic violence/anger management are beyond rehabilitation? I'm really appalled by some of the responses in this thread. And that's coming from a family with a rehabilitated abuser who didn't need to lose his job and all his money to learn his lesson. Why are people happy with this outcome?

Indeed. My thoughts exactly.

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Ladies and gentlemen,

Roger Sterling with a special appearance as he performs My Old Kentucky Home.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

Yeah, you do sound like someone who has a poly-sci degree, because only someone with a poly-sci degree would mention it as if it's somehow a point of pride or a sign of superior intellectual capability. Maybe if you went to graduate school you might have learned that it is poor form to argue using a strawman. Your post is so wet with condescension it's practically dripping through my monitor. Even if you were restricted to GAF you have threads all the time about voting ID laws, gerrymandering, political corruption, violence in the middle east, terrorism, etc. Yet you somehow missed all that and even assumed that no one in the broader population might hold these views, or even that, gasp, there might be divergent groups of people who believe different things.

 

[Two Words]

Why are you assuming she's staying with her partner out of fear? Why can't you just take her at her word? How is it not relevant that she would like to maintain her husband's earning power? It would certainly be more relevant if he were making 40K a year instead of six figures. Do you not understand that when you throw a family member in jail that destroys the family's ability to continue as a whole unit? This man had no prior run-ins with the law, and has not had any apparent incidents of violence since. For that, he should lose his job entirely? Again, this would be much more prescient to people if he were a middle class person.

Indeed. My thoughts exactly.

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

If you were a business owner, and one of your employees was filmed and exposed to have violently beaten his wife, would you keep him on staff? Do you believe it would be best for your company and your other employees that he stays?

 

[cdyhybrid]

Yeah, you do sound like someone who has a poly-sci degree, because only someone with a poly-sci degree would mention it as if it's somehow a point of pride or a sign of superior intellectual capability. Maybe if you went to graduate school you might have learned that its poor form to argue using a strawman. Your post is so wet with condescension it's practically dripping through my monitor. Even just on GAF you have threads all the time about voting ID laws, gerrymandering, politics, violence in the middle east, etc. Yet you somehow missed all that and even assumed that no one in the broader population might hold these views, or even that, gasp, there might be divergent groups of people who believe both or only one.

:jnc

Tell em.

 

[Darkgran]

Career over. No ones going to touch him.

Sure.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Why are you assuming she's staying with her partner out of fear? Why can't you just take her at her word? How is it not relevant that she would like to maintain her husband's earning power? It would certainly be more relevant if he were making 40K a year instead of six figures. Do you not understand that when you throw a family member in jail that destroys the family's ability to continue as a whole unit? This man had no prior run-ins with the law, and has not had any apparent incidents of violence since. For that, he should lose his job entirely? Again, this would be much more prescient to people if he were a middle class person.

Because i've been involved with domestic violence both professionally and personally and have seen how things go down. It's extremely common for victims of domestic violence to stay with their partners out of fear and embarrassment.

Why can't i take her word for it? Did you see the context with which she took responsibility of this issue? Being questioned in the same room as the abuser is disgusting and there is a reason we don't normally do that. The fact that she was pressured and ended up lying to protect the abuser says everything.

The money isn't relevant because you have no idea of what she was thinking and assuming she was only after money is just bullshit. That's also another angle of domestic violence. People are afraid to come out because of what impact it will have on their lives. You're right maybe she was afraid of where she would be left if she did go ahead and press charges. That just makes the situation even worse and in no way absolves him from any blame.

I am aware that when you throw someone in jail it wrecks that family unit but so what? What if he murdered someone? Should he get off so as not to wreck his family? Personally i would have thought that brutally bashing your fiance and potentially leaving her for dead would probably wreck the family unit.

The fact that he has no prior run ins means nothing with an incident of this severity. The fact that he lied and attempted to cover it all up and force her to take responsibility tells us everything we need to know about him.

Also as i said above different jobs have different responsibilities.

Indeed. My thoughts exactly.

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

What the fuck has the middle east got to do with this issue? Frankly i think you're defending something that doesn't need to be defended and you look like a victim blaming asshole for doing it. Your post is the sort of bullshit that has lead to domestic violence being such a difficult issue and why so many people are afraid of coming out when they're put in that situation.

 

[Y2Kev]

Why are you assuming she's staying with her partner out of fear? Why can't you just take her at her word? How is it not relevant that she would like to maintain her husband's earning power? It would certainly be more relevant if he were making 40K a year instead of six figures. Do you not understand that when you throw a family member in jail that destroys the family's ability to continue as a whole unit? This man had no prior run-ins with the law, and has not had any apparent incidents of violence since. For that, he should lose his job entirely? Again, this would be much more prescient to people if he were a middle class person.

Indeed. My thoughts exactly.

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

What a crap post, lmao. I'm just quoting this so in case you edit it people can see you suggest others are "deontologists" (WITH A LINK TO WIKIPEDIA) for judging Ray Rice for physically assaulting a woman. I can't.

When I read this post again I thought it might be a parody post. Is it a parody post? I can't tell now.

 

[GameGuru59]

Yeah, you do sound like someone who has a poly-sci degree, because only someone with a poly-sci degree would mention it as if it's somehow a point of pride or a sign of superior intellectual capability. Maybe if you went to graduate school you might have learned that its poor form to argue using a strawman. Your post is so wet with condescension it's practically dripping through my monitor. Even if you were restricted to GAF you have threads all the time about voting ID laws, gerrymandering, political corruption, violence in the middle east, terrorism, etc. Yet you somehow missed all that and even assumed that no one in the broader population might hold these views, or even that, gasp, there might be divergent groups of people who believe both or only one and that it's illogical to ascribe a uniform belief to such a 'group'.

Well, I am in graduate school, thanks, but on to the substantive part of your argument.

Yet you somehow missed all that and even assumed that no one in the broader population might hold these views

Who said that? I am referring to the nation as a collective, and saying that our national attention is turned only when its a scandal. Then, we pat ourselves on the back as having dealt with the situation (harsher penalties, bans) with a silver bullet as though the problem has been solved. Another prime example is our drug policy. America is incapable of a more nuanced debate on these complicated topics, and this "debate" on Ray Rice's expulsion from the NFL is one of them.

that it's illogical to ascribe a uniform belief to such a 'group'

I reject this assertion. Its only illogical to people who want to see everyone as an individual with their own opinion of weight (like yourself, apparently), when our policy on domestic violence is clearly a collective decision.

If you were a business owner, and one of your employees was filmed and exposed to have violently beaten his wife, would you keep him on staff? Do you believe it would be best for your company and your other employees that he stays?

As I implied previously, I am not a deontologist, and that would depend on several factors. I never say never, and I rarely make promises.

Why can't i take her word for it? Did you see the context with which she took responsibility of this issue? Being questioned in the same room as the abuser is disgusting and there is a reason we don't normally do that.

I think she's said the same outside of the presser too. In any case, it doesn't completely invalidate what she said- though I don't have your level of experience.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Why are the all or nothing and "butwhatabout" fallacies so popular? Do they sound smart to stupid people?

 

[bigmit3737]

The whole debate about whether the wife is staying with her husband because of all the bonuses of being with a football star or out of fear and love should be clear within the next few months or so if he does indeed have no chance of ever playing football again , right?

 

[THRILLH0]

What a crap post, lmao. I'm just quoting this so in case you edit it people can see you suggest others are "deontologists" (WITH A LINK TO WIKIPEDIA) for judging Ray Rice for physically assaulting a woman. I can't.

When I read this post again I thought it might be a parody post. Is it a parody post? I can't tell now.

Holy shit

 

[~Kinggi~]

The whole debate about whether the wife is staying with her husband because of all the bonuses of being with a football star or out of fear and love should be clear within the next few months or so if he does indeed have no chance of ever playing football again , right?

Well he she ditches him quick and it somehow becomes clear she was in it for the money, then i have no sympathy for the woman. Stupid idiot married the guy after getting knocked out for the money.

 

[Blader]

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

What does any of this have to do with political science? Do you actually have a degree?

 

[alejob]

Agree that this whole scenario is stupid, but why did the video have to be the catalyst? What did people think happened? He slapped or pushed her unconscious?

Should have been done from the get go

Agree completely. This is BS, the video showed what we knew happened. It shouldn't have changed anything. Ravens and the NFL look bad.

 

[GameGuru59]

What does any of this have to do with political science? Do you actually have a degree?

Everything, and yes. With all this interest in my degree, may I ask what you think Political Science is?

 

[xnipx]

So what is adequate punishment to you guys? Surely it can't be lifetime banishment for one mistake on your first offense.

And surely your outrage must have been equally as voiced in the many cases of domestic violence involving athletes over the years.

A lot of people seem to care about domestic violence when it's in their face and on tmz but no one cares when it's settled out of court and swept under the rug. I can name a dozen people who were charged and didn't generate this magnitude of outrage from people.

Nobody actually cares about his wife or child and how they're affected or if they're ok. All you people are worried about is making sure ray rice gets what he "deserved". There are plenty of ways to help the cause against domestic violence besides cheerleading some bodies career to be ruined.

If first offense domestic violence deserves a 1 year suspension with no charges filed then the entire player discipline policy should be revamped and half the league will be gone based off their transgressions.

He deserved half a season at most. Goodell is a moron. If he really cared he would have suspended him from the beginning and tried to make him the face of an nfl cares campaign supporting domestic violence. As of right now he's just power tripping trying to save his ass and won't care one fuck about abused women once breast cancer awareness month starts.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Well he she ditches him quick and it somehow becomes clear she was in it for the money, then i have no sympathy for the woman. Stupid idiot married the guy after getting knocked out for the money.

My brother ad I were arguing about whether or not she even remembered what happened or was just going off of whatever he told her happened.

After seeing the video it's a miracle she didn't suffer permanent brain damage. That terrible joke someone made in the last thread about her threatening to sue the NFL for CTE if Goodell didn't go soft on the suspension isn't funny at all now.

 

[AdventureRacing]

I think she's said the same outside of the presser too. In any case, it doesn't completely invalidate what she said- though I don't have your level of experience.

Yes, it does. She was pressured into lying and taking responsibility for her partners domestic violence. That's how domestic violence works and why so many people end up not leaving. It's a scary and complex situation to be put in.

The whole debate about whether the wife is staying with her husband because of all the bonuses of being with a football star or out of fear and love should be clear within the next few months or so if he does indeed have no chance of ever playing football again , right?

Or perhaps she could end up leaving him for other reasons. It shouldn't even be a debate because it's simply an attempt to blame the victim. It doesn't matter what her reasons for staying were, it has absolutely no bearing on this issue. It doesn't give her less rights as a human being and it doesn't absolve him in any way of his behavior. Frankly it shouldn't have been brought up at all.

Well he she ditches him quick and it somehow becomes clear she was in it for the money, then i have no sympathy for the woman. Stupid idiot married the guy after getting knocked out for the money.

How exactly would it become clear? How will you or anyone else know her reasons for leaving him? As for having no sympathy, so you're saying that if she was after the money that makes it ok for him to knock her the fuck out? If not then why do you have no sympathy for her. I don't get if she was after money that doesn't mean she deserves to get treated like that.

Also i feel like i keep repeating this but that is apart of domestic violence. People are afraid of where they will be left if the relationship breaks down, often times the man is the bread winner. Is it wrong for her to be concerned about where she will end up if she leaves him?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

So what is adequate punishment to you guys? Surely it can't be lifetime banishment for one mistake on your first offense.

And surely your outrage must have been equally as voiced in the many cases of domestic violence involving athletes over the years.

A lot of people seem to care about domestic violence when it's in their face and on tmz but no one cares when it's settled out of court and swept under the rug. I can name a dozen people who were charged and didn't generate this magnitude of outrage from people.

Nobody actually cares about his wife or child and how they're affected or if they're ok. All you people are worried about is making sure ray rice gets what he "deserved". There are plenty of ways to help the cause against domestic violence besides cheerleading some bodies career to be ruined.

If first offense domestic violence deserves a 1 year suspension with no charges filed then the entire player discipline policy should be revamped and half the league will be gone based off their transgressions.

He deserved half a season at most. Goodell is a moron. If he really cared he would have suspended him from the beginning and tried to make him the face of an nfl cares campaign supporting domestic violence. As of right now he's just power tripping trying to save his ass and won't care one fuck about abused women once breast cancer awareness month starts.

Goddamn, why is there so much outrage over a visually horrifying domestic violence case that a multi-billion dollar organization lied about and thought wasn't serious. There's no psychological or higher reaching issues here.

Also, I'm going to hazard a guess that half of the NFL has not done something like this before and that the implication of that is kind of weird...

 

[entremet]

So what is adequate punishment to you guys? Surely it can't be lifetime banishment for one mistake on your first offense.

And surely your outrage must have been equally as voiced in the many cases of domestic violence involving athletes over the years.

A lot of people seem to care about domestic violence when it's in their face and on tmz but no one cares when it's settled out of court and swept under the rug. I can name a dozen people who were charged and didn't generate this magnitude of outrage from people.

Nobody actually cares about his wife or child and how they're affected or if they're ok. All you people are worried about is making sure ray rice gets what he "deserved". There are plenty of ways to help the cause against domestic violence besides cheerleading some bodies career to be ruined.

If first offense domestic violence deserves a 1 year suspension with no charges filed then the entire player discipline policy should be revamped and half the league will be gone based off their transgressions.

He deserved half a season at most. Goodell is a moron. If he really cared he would have suspended him from the beginning and tried to make him the face of an nfl cares campaign supporting domestic violence. As of right now he's just power tripping trying to save his ass and won't care one fuck about abused women once breast cancer awareness month starts.

I think the current rules are fine. The amended rules specifically. Half a season first offense and ban second offense. I think people are outraged on how the NFL handled it initially. That's the beef.

 

[GameGuru59]

Is it wrong for her to be concerned about where she will end up if she leaves him?

But... then how is it wrong (or invalid) for her to be concerned about his salary?

 

[~Kinggi~]

How exactly would it become clear? How will you or anyone else know her reasons for leaving him? As for having no sympathy, so you're saying that if she was after the money that makes it ok for him to knock her the fuck out? If not then why do you have no sympathy for her. I don't get if she was after money that doesn't mean she deserves to get treated like that.

Also i feel like i keep repeating this but that is apart of domestic violence. People are afraid of where they will be left if the relationship breaks down, often times the man is the bread winner. Is it wrong for her to be concerned about where she will end up if she leaves him?

You need to stop putting words in people's mouths. First off, i said IF it somehow became clear, which is unlikely. Second, no, it is not ok for him to knock her out, duh. But after that happens and she still married him, like i said if there was a way to get the motive down to money i wouldnt have sympathy for someone in that situation. I mean, even outside the money she made a terrible decision. And he should be locked up.

 

[AdventureRacing]

So what is adequate punishment to you guys? Surely it can't be lifetime banishment for one mistake on your first offense.

It completely depends on your job. For example i'm a nurse and if i was to do something like this i'd most likely be barred for life and deserving so. That doesn't mean he can't get other jobs or be rehabilitated in the future.

And surely your outrage must have been equally as voiced in the many cases of domestic violence involving athletes over the years.

Yes it was. I don't see how that's relevant anyway.

A lot of people seem to care about domestic violence when it's in their face and on tmz but no one cares when it's settled out of court and swept under the rug. I can name a dozen people who were charged and didn't generate this magnitude of outrage from people.

Again what is the relevance here? We are discussing this specific issue, not sure why you're trying to change the subject. It's hard for people to complain if they don't know what actually happened.

Nobody actually cares about his wife or child and how they're affected or if they're ok. All you people are worried about is making sure ray rice gets what he "deserved". There are plenty of ways to help the cause against domestic violence besides cheerleading some bodies career to be ruined.

This is a horrible assumption and you have no right to make a judgement like that. I've personally dealt with domestic violence and seen what impact it has, i most certainly do care about the people involved.

Just because we want to see him punished doesn't mean we don't care about the person involved. Fuck you for even suggesting it (i know that's against the rules but what he is accusing us of is disgusting).

If first offense domestic violence deserves a 1 year suspension with no charges filed then the entire player discipline policy should be revamped and half the league will be gone based off their transgressions.

He deserved half a season at most. Goodell is a moron. If he really cared he would have suspended him from the beginning and tried to make him the face of an nfl cares campaign supporting domestic violence. As of right now he's just power tripping trying to save his ass and won't care one fuck about abused women once breast cancer awareness month starts.

Who are you that you think you can decide exactly what punishment a player deserves for domestic violence? Do they really need to wait for charges to be filed when they have video evidence of the incident?

Also you're ignoring that for the NFL this isn't just a criminal matter. They are a professional brand and i've no doubt that's a part of his contract. He is dragging the name of the NFL through the mud and they have the right to terminate whether charges are laid or not.

 

[BadAss2961]

The whole debate about whether the wife is staying with her husband because of all the bonuses of being with a football star or out of fear and love should be clear within the next few months or so if he does indeed have no chance of ever playing football again , right?

I don't think she fears him. She wasn't afraid of him in the video at least. If Rice had a history of abuse it probably would've come out already.

They're a couple (now married) that got into a fight. Rice fucked up and could've killed her. I imagine both of them are sick of the circus and probably just wish things were back to normal.

 

[AdventureRacing]

You need to stop putting words in people's mouths. First off, i said IF it somehow became clear, which is unlikely. Second, no, it is not ok for him to knock her out, duh. But after that happens and she still married him, like i said if there was a way to get the motive down to money i wouldnt have sympathy for someone in that situation. I mean, even outside the money she made a terrible decision. And he should be locked up.

But there never would be so it's a silly hypothetical to even entertain. Again though even IF it became clear that she stayed because of the money that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve sympathy. She was still abused by her fiance and put into a shitty position where she was basically forced to lie to defend him. People who are victims of domestic abuse are often inclined to stay because they don't know what would happen to them financially if they leave. That isn't an indictment on them and should have no bearing on how we feel towards them.

What terrible decision did she make outside of the money?

I don't think she fears him. She wasn't afraid of him in the video at least. If Rice had a history of abuse it probably would've come out already.

They're a couple (now married) that got into a fight. Rice fucked up and could've killed her. I imagine both of them are sick of the circus and probably just wish things were back to normal.

I'm sure most people who commit a crime kinda just wish things could just go back to exactly how things were, that's not really how it works though. Why would you assume it would have come out by now? We've just seen the lengths people will go to cover up for even an incident as blatant as this one. We've also seen the sort of pressure she is under to not come forward.

 

[xnipx]

It completely depends on your job. For example i'm a nurse and if i was to do something like this i'd most likely be barred for life and deserving so. That doesn't mean he can't get other jobs or be rehabilitated in the future.



Yes it was. I don't see how that's relevant anyway.



Again what is the relevance here? We are discussing this specific issue, not sure why you're trying to change the subject. It's hard for people to complain if they don't know what actually happened.



This is a horrible assumption and you have no right to make a judgement like that. I've personally dealt with domestic violence and seen what impact it has, i most certainly do care about the people involved.

Just because we want to see him punished doesn't mean we don't care about the person involved. Fuck you for even suggesting it (i know that's against the rules but what he is accusing us of is disgusting).



Who are you that you think you can decide exactly what punishment a player deserves for domestic violence? Do they really need to wait for charges to be filed when they have video evidence of the incident?

Also you're ignoring that for the NFL this isn't just a criminal matter. They are a professional brand and i've no doubt that's a part of his contract. He is dragging the name of the NFL through the mud and they have the right to terminate whether charges are laid or not.

So it's fuck me but you don't know what domestic violence issues I've dealt with myself. Got it. Like I said. If people really cared you would care more about rehabilitating him and ensuring the safety of his wife/kids/future mates if she leaves him rather than caring if he fucking plays football anymore.

Domestic violence is an issue that affects many people across the world and it shouldn't take a video of an athlete for so many people to care and making sure ray rice doesn't play football doesn't do anything to help him or his family get passed this disgusting act he committed. He deserves another chance. Suspending him indefinitely is not the way to solve anything.

 

[GameGuru59]

So it's fuck me but you don't know what domestic violence issues I've dealt with myself. Got it. Like I said. If people really cared you would care more about rehabilitating him and ensuring the safety of his wife/kids/future mates if she leaves him rather than caring if he fucking plays football anymore.

Because U.S. prisons are well known for rehabilitating people. The prosecutor made him go through some rehab. I think it probably could have been more intensive, but I only think prison is an acceptable punishment for people who are habitually violent, or have committed some truly gross crime that can only really be deterred by prison time. In most cases, prison just makes people worse.

 

[AdventureRacing]

So it's fuck me but you don't know what domestic violence issues I've dealt with myself. Got it. Like I said. If people really cared you would care more about rehabilitating him and ensuring the safety of his wife/kids/future mates if she leaves him rather than caring if he fucking plays football anymore.

Domestic violence is an issue that affects many people across the world and it shouldn't take a video of an athlete for so many people to care and making sure ray rice doesn't play football doesn't do anything to help him or his family get passed this disgusting act he committed. He deserves another chance. Suspending him indefinitely is not the way to solve anything.

Yeah it's fuck you because you just accused all of us of not giving a shit about this woman or victims of domestic violence based on absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter what issues you've dealt with, it doesn't give you the right to accuse people of that. What makes you think that the people responding here aren't more active against domestic violence in general?

No one in here is saying that the only thing that should happen is that he should banned from football for life, in fact that's barely even being brought up. I think most are arguing that he deserves to be punished and then he can be rehabilitated appropriately.

Banning him from football isn't about fixing the problem for him or his family. It's showing that the NFL is against domestic violence, professional NFL players are role models to kids and they need to be seen taking a hard line on this. That plus it is directly damaging to their brand which is why they should be taking such a hard stance.

He can have another chance at life but he doesn't deserve another chance in the NFL. As i said above, i work as a nurse and i'm well aware of the fact that an incident like this would have me barred for life essentially.

 

[elrechazado]

If you were a business owner, and one of your employees was filmed and exposed to have violently beaten his wife, would you keep him on staff? Do you believe it would be best for your company and your other employees that he stays?

No, because bush Iraq Obama Guantanamo drones, therefore we can't punish ray rice until political scientists tell us what to do (they're experts)

 

[xnipx]

Yeah it's fuck you because you just accused all of us of not giving a shit about this woman or victims of domestic violence based on absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter what issues you've dealt with, it doesn't give you the right to accuse people of that. What makes you think that the people responding here aren't more active against domestic violence in general?

No one in here is saying that the only thing that should happen is that he should banned from football for life, in fact that's barely even being brought up. I think most are arguing that he deserves to be punished and then he can be rehabilitated appropriately.

Banning him from football isn't about fixing the problem for him or his family. It's showing that the NFL is against domestic violence, professional NFL players are role models to kids and they need to be seen taking a hard line on this. That plus it is directly damaging to their brand which is why they should be taking such a hard stance.

He can have another chance at life but he doesn't deserve another chance in the NFL. As i said above, i work as a nurse and i'm well aware of the fact that an incident like this would have me barred for life essentially.

How would it have you barred from nursing? If no charges are pressed you wouldn't even have a record. That's irrelevant tho. So you think all players ever involved in domestic abuse deserve to be banned for life? That's rational to you? If you really think that's acceptable you're a horrible person.

What he did was wrong. It should NOT ruin his life. People get less punishment for driving drunk and endangering the lives of EVERYONE on the road. But because domestic violence is a sensitive subject it deserves the death penalty?! There are many things players do off the field that aren't morally right and deserve punishment. Banning him for life over a 1st offense is foolish. If there were repeat offenses and he had a history of abusing women then yea throw him out of the league.

 

[MHWilliams]

My brother posted this on Facebook this morning. My reaction: "Damned if you beat up your wife in an elevator, and damned if you don't (and are beat up by her sister)." The people will rage either way, though in Ray's case, it's more deserved. That was a sickening video.

I'm pretty sure Jay-Z would be laughing at your brother if he cared about his existence. He chose the right path.

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

Alternatively, we can want all these things to happen.

Ray Rice doesn't get to play football anymore. People are acting like he's dead or in jail. He received $28 million for six seasons. I think he can ride it out.

 

[BadAss2961]

I'm sure most people who commit a crime kinda just wish things could just go back to exactly how things were, that's not really how it works though. Why would you assume it would have come out by now? We've just seen the lengths people will go to cover up for even an incident as blatant as this one. We've also seen the sort of pressure she is under to not come forward.

Goodell and the NFL covering things up is nothing new.

Again, it's just my guess that both of them, not just Rice, wish things were back to normal. In other words, I don't think Rice has abused his wife outside this incident. I don't think she's afraid of him. So far it looks like they were in a heated argument with each other and Rice got out of control. But people seem to wanna believe there's more to it than that.

The punishment is fine. But so far I see a guy that fucked up royally more than I see an irredeemable scumbag. If nothing else comes of this incident, Rice should get the same 2nd chance that Vick got in about a year's time.

 

[GameGuru59]

Alternatively, we can want all these things to happen.

Ah yes, but 99% of us don't lend our voices (or more importantly, our vote) when those things do happen. My point was that when those more insidious (but ultimately more harmful) things happen, there is little to no reaction from the nation as a collective. We go for scandal sugar, instead of analyzing the more complex underlying issues.

 

[PopeReal]

People can change. If we're all judged by by our worst moments we're all "bad" guys then. I used to work at a counselling/rehab center and have seen many ex-drug dealers, convicts, alcoholics, women abusers completely turn their lives around and now work as motivational speakers, drug/alcohol counselors, community leaders, etc. Using their own stories to help others who may be going through the same things they went through and telling kids about the dangers of these things that almost ruined their lives.

I think you are confusing losing your job with going to jail for life.

He will have plenty of chances to turn his life around. It doesn't look like he will even spend even 1 day in jail.

The guy should lose his job and never play a down again in the NFL.