Ray Rice (football player) cut by Baltimore Ravens, suspended indefinitely by NFL

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Cloudy said:
It's really distressing to see people wanting this guy's career destroyed over this.....especially when based on all accounts, he's not a bad guy. Some folks just have bad tempers and I hope everyone wanting to bury this guy over his worst moment never do anything wrong in public
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Oh god. Are you for real? What are you his biggest fan or something? Not a bad guy.. lol yeah he only knocked his girlfriend out and showed a total disregard for her life. Not a bad guy at all!
 
Cloudy said:
Also I don't know how Goodell is "disrespecting" women based on how he punished Rice. The pleading from the victim herself is why the initial punishment was lenient. How is factoring her concerns into the punishment disrespecting women? Isn't that actually respecting her wishes?
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I'm glad you brought up the pleading from his wife. Goodell actually did his interview with her while Rice was in the same damn room! It should go without saying that it's a very, very bad idea to interview a victim of domestic violence when you have their abuser in the same room with them.
 
Nokagi said:
Oh god. Are you for real? What are you his biggest fan or something? Not a bad guy.. lol yeah he only knocked his girlfriend out and showed a total disregard for her life. Not a bad guy at all!
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I have no opinions on him one way or the other outside of this incident and I'm not a Ravens fan or anything. Just going by media reports. Never read anything negative about him till this. Just the opposite, in fact.
 
SolidSnakex said:
I'm glad you brought up the pleading from his wife. Goodell actually did his interview with her while Rice was in the same damn room! It should go without saying that it's a very, very bad idea to interview a victim of domestic violence when you have their abuser in the same room with them.
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The NFL is not law enforcement but quotes like this and others in this thread makes me think many of you view it as such. She MARRIED him after the incident so I'm pretty sure she didn't want his earning power destroyed!
 
Cloudy said:
I have no opinions on him one way or the other outside of this incident and I'm not a Ravens fan or anything. Just going by media reports. Never read anything negative about him till this. Just the opposite, in fact.
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How many women does he have to knock out before you stop thinking he's a good guy?
 
NFL is the shittiest league. smoke weed get suspended a season. but this 2 games, but oh he got cut? wait we just saw this footage, let's save our tails and take more serious action

fucking joke
 
Cloudy said:
The NFL is not law enforcement but quotes like this and others in this thread makes me think many of you view it as such. She MARRIED him after the incident so I'm pretty sure she didn't want his earning power destroyed!
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This is pretty offensive, but that hasn't stopped you before.
 
The New Yorker: What the Ray Rice Video Really Shows

On Monday, a video of Ray Rice, the Ravens running back, punching his then fiancée in the head and leaving her slumped on the floor of an elevator, was released on TMZ. It was greeted with shock. By the early afternoon, the Ravens tweeted that they were terminating Rice’s contract. That is an appropriate response, except for one thing: we’ve known for months that Rice had hit Janay Palmer and left her unconscious; there had been a video already, of him dragging her inert body out of the elevator in a hotel in Atlantic City. And yet, somehow, the video from inside the elevator was not what some purportedly well-informed observers expected. The N.F.L. had investigated the incident, after all, and only suspended Rice for two games; that didn’t fit with the pictures on the screen. But what did people think it looked like when a football player knocked out a much smaller woman? Like a fair fight?

They thought, apparently, that it was complicated; that a running back who evades the tackles of the Steelers’ defense had no option but to resort to force to defend himself when Palmer attacked him; that what he did was somehow her fault, or at least an understandable reaction to some unspecified, but presumably outrageous, female behavior. Stephen A. Smith, of ESPN, in a segment on the case, talked about how he advised women in his family not to “provoke wrong actions.” (He apologized, and was suspended for a week, a span that served to underscore how brief Rice’s suspension was.) There was speculation about a freak accident, of the sort that emergency-room nurses still hear when women show up with a boyfriend or husband and a lot of bruises. Also, he married her—didn’t that change things? Only, perhaps, her level of vulnerability; that will be especially true now. Back in May, the Ravens staged a press conference with Janay and Ray Rice, newlyweds at the time, the point of which was to deliver her absolution to the fans. One can’t say that she had made a bargain without recognizing the Ravens’ overwhelming role in brokering it. The same Twitter feed that, on Monday, announced that Rice had been cut had this to report back then: “Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident.” It took the new video for the team to delete that tweet, months later.

Did the Ravens have such different information back then? It was no secret that the new video existed. (Or, again, that Palmer had been assaulted.) Indeed, as Deadspin notes, various sports reporters were told that N.F.L. and Ravens officials had seen it; they relayed heavy hints that it would show all those mysterious complexities, and help to explain why Rice’s suspension was so light—though the choreography of Rice’s supposed limited responsibility is, again, hard to picture, absent an invisible Rube Goldberg machine in the elevator.
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I totally forgot about Stephen A Smith... has he weighed in yet?
 
Cloudy said:
The NFL is not law enforcement but quotes like this and others in this thread makes me think many of you view it as such. She MARRIED him after the incident so I'm pretty sure she didn't want his earning power destroyed!
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Jesus are you really this shitty a person? He knocked her out and then dragged her limp body out of an elevator. You have to be a complete piece of shit to do such a thing. Her marrying him means nothing. Lots of victims stay with their scumbag abuser.
 
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Heh. Might as well make use of the fucking absurd $40+ million he makes per year.
 
NomarTyme said:
He treads lightly after being reprimanded.
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He wasn't even the worst part about that incident.

It was Cari Champion nodding her head and sitting there while Stephen A basically said that all women had it coming to them and that she provoked it.

Then the day after she talks about how she has seen domestic violence first hand and how bad it is and how on first take they will always talk about the important issues.

They then talked about Lebron changing his number for half an hour.
 
Why isn't he being prosecuted? Does the victim have to press charges/consent to charges? What about state vs. ray rice, human refuse?
 
Y2Kev said:
Why isn't he being prosecuted? Does the victim have to press charges/consent to charges? What about state vs. ray rice, human refuse?
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It's on the district attorney's office/Atlantic City PD. They chose to give him anger management classes only.
 
Y2Kev said:
Why isn't he being prosecuted? Does the victim have to press charges/consent to charges? What about state vs. ray rice, human refuse?
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DA and Judge agreed to let him do a pretrial prevention program for first time offenders. If he completes the program he will avoid prosecution.
 
entrement said:
Wow. Is he the highest paid commish? That's pretty insane.
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Yes. That's also double what Aaron Rodgers, the highest-paid (annually) player in the league makes.
 
I really can't see Goodell surviving. I know the owners love him, but bad PR is bad PR.

But Bountygate mishaps, 2nd string refs, botching player protection rules in the middle of the season, and now this.
 
Fox318 said:
He wasn't even the worst part about that incident.

It was Cari Champion nodding her head and sitting there while Stephen A basically said that all women had it coming to them and that she provoked it.

Then the day after she talks about how she has seen domestic violence first hand and how bad it is and how on first take they will always talk about the important issues.

They then talked about Lebron changing his number for half an hour.
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Got a video of this?
 
Ducarmel said:
DA and Judge agreed to let him do a pretrial prevention program for first time offenders. If he completes the program he will avoid prosecution.
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Is this entirely unreasonable? I get that he's a pos and bad for the shields image, but wouldn't this happen to most people?

Edit: I've had CDV people in the "classes" I had to go to for a weed ticket, no lie
 
Arkos said:
Is this entirely unreasonable? I get that he's a pos and bad for the shields image, but wouldn't this happen to most people?
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Yeah. Domestic violence laws are lax.

I friend of mine had her jaw broken by her ex's punch. He did some jail time. Like a few weeks and that's it. She got an restraining order after that. It is on his record and will mess him if he ever went for a government job.
 
entrement said:
It's on the district attorney's office/Atlantic City PD. They chose to give him anger management classes only.
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Ducarmel said:
DA and Judge agreed to let him do a pretrial prevention program for first time offenders. If he completes the program he will avoid prosecution.
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Can the Feds step in?

Sports worship in this country is absolutely dangerous. Seems to me that any group that doesn't have a strong female presence in leadership roles ends up seriously fucked in the head. Sports teams, finance, the church, certain paternalistic societies, politics, etc.
 
Arkos said:
Is this entirely unreasonable? I get that he's a pos and bad for the shields image, but wouldn't this happen to most people?
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Guess it depends on how expensive your lawyer is and how much the police respect you when they arrest you. The more famous and connected you are, the more lenient your punishment. Poor and disenfranchised? They'll choke you to death for selling untaxed cigarettes.
 
Y2Kev said:
Can the Feds step in?

Sports worship in this country is absolutely dangerous. Seems to me that any group that doesn't have a strong female presence ends up seriously fucked in the head. Sports teams, finance, the church, certain paternalistic societies, politics, etc.
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I don't think there is any basis for the justice department to be involved with this.

If ultimately the state acted in accordance with normal procedures for first time offenders, there probably isn't any relevant standing.
 
entrement said:
I really can't see Goodell surviving. I know the owners love him, but bad PR is bad PR.

But Bountygate mishaps, 2nd string refs, botching player protection rules in the middle of the season, and now this.
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The sad thing is that this list is but the tip of the iceberg of Goodell's greatest hits.

This is going to be a Daniel Stern situation where after the fact everyone is wondering how he lasted this long.
Ninja Scooter said:
Home Alone was good though. Home Alone 2....maybe.
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LOL, I got commissioners on the brain. I meant Donald Sterling >_<
 
Saint Gregory said:
The sad thing is that this list is but the tip of the iceberg of Goodell's greatest hits.

This is going to be a Daniel Stern situation where after the fact everyone is wondering how he lasted this long.

LOL, I got commissioners on the brain. I meant Donald Sterling >_<
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Laughing my ass off AND rolling on the floor laughing. Classic.
 
gogosox82 said:
Well let's say it was a man. So Rice gets into an argument with a man on the elevator (let's say he tried to hit on his wife or called his wife a name and Rice took offense) and Rice punches him and then throws his head against the elevator wall and guy gets knocked out. Elevator door opens and he just leaves him there and walks out. Tape gets out and story breaks a few days later. Honestly, i think the response would be just as bad. Just to leave a guy there unconscious on the floor and do nothing or try to get the guy help after you assaulted him like that? He would've gotten tons of shit for it. Whether it rises to the level of scrutiny this has is something I don't think anyone can answer but what he did wouldn't be acceptable whether it was a male or female. I would also say if the NFL would've given out a proper suspension instead of this 2 games stuff, then maybe this tape would've been as big a deal as it was.
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That could certainly be the case. I think the one observation I made about this incident is that a lot of women seem to care about this because a woman was involved. Even my wife asked me about it today, and she doesn't follow sports. In comparison, I remembered when the Ray Lewis incident occurred, the discussions I had were all with men. The women in my circle of friends and coworkers did not seem to pay much attention to that incident at the time.
 
And there goes my fantasy team.


Thanks NFL, thanks Baltimore. Should have done this in the first place. Not the bullshit you're pulling to save face now that the vid leaked.
 
Nokagi said:
Oh god. Are you for real? What are you his biggest fan or something? Not a bad guy.. lol yeah he only knocked his girlfriend out and showed a total disregard for her life. Not a bad guy at all!
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People can change. If we're all judged by by our worst moments we're all "bad" guys then. I used to work at a counselling/rehab center and have seen many ex-drug dealers, convicts, alcoholics, women abusers completely turn their lives around and now work as motivational speakers, drug/alcohol counselors, community leaders, etc. Using their own stories to help others who may be going through the same things they went through and telling kids about the dangers of these things that almost ruined their lives.
 
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