Probably the most remarkable transgender transformation ever
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BadAss2961
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hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Is her skin heavily "Photoshopped", processed of chemical treatment, or simply just made to look like that due to lighting?
I realise I might be talking hippie shit here-
Can't we just be happy for people who are happy and support them?
And can't we just be understanding and caring where we can help people who are struggling with huge issues?
I'm searching for a better word for support or to be supportive of and I can't think of one. I hope my lack of language skills doesn't get in the way of what I'm trying to say.
Can't we just be happy for people who are happy and support them?
And can't we just be understanding and caring where we can help people who are struggling with huge issues?
I'm searching for a better word for support or to be supportive of and I can't think of one. I hope my lack of language skills doesn't get in the way of what I'm trying to say.
MisterGrey3000
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If you and that other poster think trans people transition only because non-cisnormative gender presentation isn't generally accepted by society then both of you really need to do some serious research on the subject of trans men and trans women before you talk about them.
You should really start by reading up on the difference between gender identity and gender presentation, it's what separates a trans woman from an effeminate crossdressing boy (like myself.
)YesNOnoNOYes
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That's um, pretty impressive.
How about Nongpoy?
Before and after:
Another amazing woman! WOW
I'm so humbled *___* They are prettier than me ;___;
That's um, pretty impressive.
How about Nongpoy?
Before and after:
Mind officially blown.
NinjaBoiX
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Haha, what? Are we talking about the same Beyoncé that is with child and regularly voted the sexiest woman alive? She's 110% woman and has estrogen dripping from every pore.
Talk about a false equivalency, Jesus...
The support for Dax in here is great and I'm so pleased that she's happy with her transformation. But these "your transformation is better!" (without precisely zero context to base it on) and "OMG! you're just like Beyoncé!" comments come across as disingenuous quite honestly.
Genuine accolades are wonderful for a person to hear, empty, baseless plaudits are just annoying and help no-one in the long run.
The part I never really got is how a transgendered person even figures out they want or need a sex change. I am guessing it starts with being uncomfortable with your body as is. I have a penis, and I expect to always have it, but I'm not sure I would miss having a penis if I never had one. I can miss my arm if it got amputated. I might feel a void there, but that's because I grew up with that arm and am aware of its disappearance. The phenomenon of missing (as in the person being sad of its absence) sexual organs that were never there is a little puzzling to me. I guess the question is, do we innately have a pre-defined idea of what a "right" body is for us, or do we develop that idea throughout life?
That's kind of my point.
Sir Blaming
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Has science gone to far?!
Nah, great job science, we can always count on you.
Nah, great job science, we can always count on you.
NinjaBoiX
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I don't understand. Can you elaborate?
MisterGrey3000
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It seems like Lexi was basically critiquing the phenomenon of cis people seeing what they want to see when confronted with the knowledge that a traditionally feminine or attractive looking woman/girl happens to be trans.
NinjaBoiX
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I have no idea what "cis people" are, and it's hard to give my opinion on the matter without sounding like a personal slight against a fellow gaffer.
But let's just say I never really saw Dax as "my type", I like cute girlie girls with soft, rounded, feminine features. Let's just leave it there. :|
(I'd probably feel less comfortable having this discussion if Dax hadn't basically invited it with her pithy, dismissive "eh, mine is better" post on the first page.)
Cis is not trans.
Straight & Gay, Cis & Trans.
Basically no matter how well someone passes, when it it revealed that they are trans you'll have a bunch of people that say they always knew the person in question was trans.
If someone like Kaley Cuoco came out as trans, there would be a bunch of cis people that will say that they knew all along.
Excuse me, what? What an incredibly poor argument. And if anything is offensive, that comment is.
Rentahamster
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Agreed, I'm not trying to upset Dax or anybody else but I found her original post quite weird, even moreso when she wouldn't post an old picture of her.
This is exactly what I'm saying, thank you.
NinjaBoiX
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But Beyoncé has given birth though, and that's despite her uncommon feminine beauty and footage of her performing as a child.
Basically regardless of obvious biological considerations, it was a ridiculous comparison.
rocketknight
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Isn't Beyonce the person everyone was accusing of faking her pregnancy and secretly using a surrogate or something?
MisterGrey3000
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Lol
What the hell are you on about?
You're completely missing the point of her post...
NinjaBoiX
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Would it just be "cis people", or are other sexual orientations similarly afflicted with this apparent phenomenon of gender-based denial?
Woah, conspiracy!
OK then, enlighten me.
Do you have any examples?
I can't think of anyone* that was assumed to be biologically female, but then came out as trans.
*By 'anyone', I mean 'established names within the public conciousness'.
MisterGrey3000
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Being cissexual or cisgendered has nothing to do with sexuality; gay and bi people can be cis.
A cis person is generally someone who's gender identity and gender presentation matches up with their birth sex.
Edit:
This is what Lexi's Beyoncé post was about.
Prophet Steve
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That Beyoncé appears very womanly, but if she would say that she has transitioned you would have people that would suddenly say they knew all along. Or thought there was always something a bit off.
Not that I know off, but trans people are relatively few people already. Trans people who are well-known even more so. And trans people who weren't well-known before they transitioned and became well-known well after especially so.
And that a lot of progress has been made in the last few years, so it is doubtful you have somebody that comes out and says "I transistioned a few years ago".
She's saying that she could show a photograph of virtually any cisgender woman on the planet, and if she says it's a photo of a trans woman, someone would say, "Oh, I could easily tell that." That includes someone who has Beyonce's looks.
NinjaBoiX
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OK, I'll rephrase: do you think transgender individuals are just as likely to pretend they knew all along?
Or is it just those cis people?
Yeah, but the lady in question has given birth.
Her being transgender is a physical impossibility.
That's what I was saying.
Janet Mock I think was such a case but I don't think many people here read the Marie Claire magazine wich she wrote for.
Tula Cossey was a more famous case 30 years ago. She was a model and an extra in a Bond movie and the UK tabloid press outed her in what you could describe as a smear campaign.
Prophet Steve
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It is a hypothetical situation, but just imagine it was someone else very womanly who would say she has transitioned.
Transgender people needed a word for normal people like wizards need the word muggle.
Trans as a prefix comes from the Latin word for across. That's where we get the words transfer, transition, transform. Loosely put, it can be stated to mean "going from one side to the other." So a transgender is someone whose gender representation goes from one side to the other. We get "trans" by itself for the same reason we have "homo", because it's the most common usage in certain circles and people are lazy. If you hear a person is trans, you probably don't think they're a Transformer, robot in disguise, so it works.
Cis is the Latin word for "on this side", or "on the near side", or crudely just "side", and is about as close as Latin gets for an antonym to trans. Someone decided this was a good enough word to describe people whose gender representation and gender identity were on the same side from birth, even though the Latin for "same side" is "idem cis", or more correctly "idem latere". A more liberal interpretation suggests that being cisgender means you didn't have to go from one gender representation to the other, but there's a good reason why the English language doesn't have the words cisfer, cisition, or cisform. If your truck isn't a Transformer, is it a cisformer? No, it's just a normal truck. Trucks, by convention, do not transform.
When you hear someone say cis gender, a literal translation is that they're talking about the gender that they are. As a male, if I say cis gender, the frame of reference is my gender and so cis gender translates to male. But that's not what they mean. The figurative, but popular translation of cis gender is someone who identifies with the parts they were born with, so meaning most people and not transgender people.
It's not usually meant as a slur, although it can be in the same way you can say "filthy muggle." But take it in good form; it's probably well-meaning.
This is quite possibly the best explanation I've seen to describe what being cisgender means. I could've used this months ago!
Ok now you are just being dense. The point isn't the fact that it is a "physical impossibility," it's a hypothetical situation. No one is actually suggesting Beyonce may be transgender, just that in an alternate reality where she did reveal this information, people would still somehow say shit like "Oh I knew all along" even though she is the most womanly woman who ever womaned.
NinjaBoiX
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Well that was more of an addendum to the general point of Beyoncé being clearly female. The idea that people would always say "I knew there was something not quite right", regardless of the lady is simply projection and a load of shit in my opinion.
In the case that the individual in question always looked quite masculine then yes, that's probably a fairly likely response. But someone as beautiful, elegant and ladylike Beyoncé? I'd be willing to bet most people would be utterly flabbergasted.
Kayo Police did something like that ...the "hey, I am actualy trans" reveal thread was a bigger graveyard on GAF than the Epic Mickey artwork thread and yes, it was FILLED with people that "already knew" ... most hilarious like saying she has a "boy's but" ... and my favorite looking back at the thread
The Librarian
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You'd be surprised.
ScriptedReality
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this is usually the case where people wouldsay this. like oh..i saw hard features and knew it all along! jawline, hands and shoulders. Tbh I dont even date women with those features..because im not attracted to it.
I wish people would understand that its not about hating anyone thats trans. Hows it wrong for trans to be a turn off to people? The idea that you used to be a guy physically can be a turn off to some.
I love natural hair women. if im dating a woman and she decides to perm her hair or bleach her skin and im now turned off... is that wrong? Is that false equivalency? Or if I found out something terrible about her past like shes gotten like 5 abortions because of irresponsibility. Mentally id be turned off and with mental comes physical.
If someones going to respond please hold the condescension. If you cant understand someone thinks differently than you without getting irritated..ignore my post.
NinjaBoiX
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Does anyone have examples of these incredibly feminine transgender celebrities that would surprise people?
There seems to be a lot of unsubstantiated conjecture in this thread.
Can't agree on the hair thing though, my GF dyes her hair red and I think it's glorious.
There seems to be a lot of unsubstantiated conjecture in this thread.
I'm totally with you that masculine attributes are a huge turn off, I like dainty ladies!
Can't agree on the hair thing though, my GF dyes her hair red and I think it's glorious.
Just to be fair though, you're talking this beyonce
right? lol Though, this is where my reply to you ends...!
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I don't think there is anything wrong with not being romantically attracted to transgender people -- we don't control who we are and aren't attracted to. It's just a preference.
I prefer cisgender females, but it wouldn't bother me if I was talking to someone and I found out they were trans. I just wouldn't have any romantic stuff going on. But I presume this would be a talk we'd have before things progressed to that point anyhow.
I don't know that I am being clear on this though, so feel free to ask me if any of it seems confusing
Goddamnit. I didn't mean to be insensitive though! omg.
The entire idea of the reality show There is Something About Miriam is that the bachelors would do tests and play stuff to try to be with the hot model ... who is a trans girl.
All the 6 men put the show on court trying to forbid the show to air when they discovered that she was trans.
That happened in the last moment of the show, after they spend a lot of time talking to her face to face
Rentahamster
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I don't think it was. There were many who expressed surprise because they thought she was a cis female.
Here is the Thread
At least 4 just in the first page ... all laughable bad, but then again there was people in the thread about the reality show saying the same, even with the girl starting hormones at 10 years old, before ANY testosterone could act
ScriptedReality
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Does anyone have examples of these incredibly feminine transgender celebrities that would surprise people?
There seems to be a lot of unsubstantiated conjecture in this thread.
I'm totally with you that masculine attributes are a huge turn off, I like dainty ladies!
Can't agree on the hair thing though, my GF dyes her hair red and I think it's glorious.
i dont mind dye...but theres deep seated issues with black women and permed and blonde hair. thats another topic lol.
But my girl wants to dye the ends of her hair a reddish tint. im all for it.
triplestation
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I could still tell its a bro, the result looks pretty synthetic to me
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