Probably the most remarkable transgender transformation ever

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Damn Dax! I remember how you looked. Wow. Warms my heart seeing you so pretty and so happy now. And Lily is such a cute name.
 
Two Words said:
That is flawed logic. It can't be helped if once you are told person x had a transition to another gender, that sexual desire is lost. It doesn't mean you are afraid to be labeled by others or yourself as gay. You are discounting a lot of other factors and just saying is a fear of gays thing. I'm sure a lot of people do think that way, but it isn't really fair to just lump everybody with that reasoning.
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this...so much...its kinda like saying you should no matter whats natural still be attracted when other things come into play.
 
ScriptedReality said:
this...so much...its kinda like saying you should no matter whats natural still be attracted when other things come into play.
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You're beating around the bush by saying "other things". What other things are you talking about? It has to be more specific than "you're trans", because that's an irrational phobia on its own.
 
I'm extremely confused at people picking Dax room, looks fine to me. Wouldn't even had notice those small things on the ground otherwise.
 
Abe Bly said:
You're beating around the bush by saying "other things". What other things are you talking about? It has to be more specific than "you're trans", because that's an irrational phobia on its own.
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now its a phobia to not want to date someone because they're trans? this sounds all too familiar. so ill answer it to the best of my ability and drop it here.

Other things could mean im just not comfortable with dating a chic that physically used to be a guy.

could mean i want to naturally have children. i could be a guy that wont date an infertile chic.

It bothers me that everything has to be irrational and a phobia when it comes to people being uncomfortable with anything involving LGBT.
 
Dax01 said:
No. That's normal. Breathing through your nose like you could before doesn't come back for like six months.
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That sounds a bit odd. I've just had my nasal passages rotor-rootered, and while the doctor did tell that a completely natural state would only be achieved after six months, he also said that normal breathing should have been attainable after one month. Got left nostril back after one week, right nostril (which was almost completely blocked, hence the surgery) after three weeks. Booger plaques as long as a finger in the last week. Was pretty awesome. At four weeks, I could safely say i'd never breathed better in my life.

Have you also gone to an otorhinolaryngologist to check up on the plastic surgeon's job?
 
ScriptedReality said:
now its a phobia to not want to date someone because they're trans? this sounds all too familiar. so ill answer it to the best of my ability and drop it here.

Other things could mean im just not comfortable with dating a chic that physically used to be a guy.

could mean i want to naturally have children. i could be a guy that wont date an infertile chic.

It bothers me that everything has to be irrational and a phobia when it comes to people being uncomfortable with anything involving LGBT.
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You just moved the goalposts from "being attracted" to "wanting a relationship", but I'll play along.

Not being comfortable with dating a person whose body used to be more masculine is absurd at best, and homophobic at worst. Not to mention it's only barely more specific than not being attracted to someone because she is trans, and it wouldn't be any more specific had I used exactly your wording.

Wanting to have children is a popular excuse for fairly obvious reasons, but a bad one if we go back to the original goal of merely being attracted. Plenty of people are attractive that you may be infertile with. People find anime characters attractive, for God's sake. But if lacking children is the only deal-breaker in a relationship, then that's kind of sad.

Maybe you don't want her emotional and historical baggage. That's fair. Maybe there are specific parts of her body that are a turn off. But just shirking at "trans" alone is irrational.
 
Abe Bly said:
You just moved the goalposts from "being attracted" to "wanting a relationship", but I'll play along.

Not being comfortable with dating a person whose body used to be more masculine is absurd at best, and homophobic at worst. Not to mention it's only barely more specific than not being attracted to someone because she is trans, and it wouldn't be any more specific had I used exactly your wording.

Wanting to have children is a popular excuse for fairly obvious reasons, but a bad one if we go back to the original goal of merely being attracted. Plenty of people are attractive that you may be infertile with. People find anime characters attractive, for God's sake. But if lacking children is the only deal-breaker in a relationship, then that's kind of sad.

Maybe you don't want her emotional and historical baggage. That's fair. Maybe there are specific parts of her body that are a turn off. But just shirking at "trans" alone is irrational.
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attraction can be loss.
but in the end feel how you feel and ill feel how i feel. thats all i got for you.
 
ScriptedReality said:
now its a phobia to not want to date someone because they're trans? this sounds all too familiar. so ill answer it to the best of my ability and drop it here.

Other things could mean im just not comfortable with dating a chic that physically used to be a guy.

could mean i want to naturally have children. i could be a guy that wont date an infertile chic.

It bothers me that everything has to be irrational and a phobia when it comes to people being uncomfortable with anything involving LGBT.
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I think bolded is me. I have no issues with dating transgender people, but I do want children of my own. And if I get into a relationship with anyone, I'd like them to disclose to me if they will be able to carry my offspring or not.

Physically, they are women, through and through, and I will treat them likewise. But for me, they are not gf material, since I think the whole surrogate mother thing is messy and is not for me.
 
Abe Bly said:
Maybe you don't want her emotional and historical baggage. That's fair. Maybe there are specific parts of her body that are a turn off. But just shirking at "trans" alone is irrational.
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Just out of curiosity, how is finding specific parts of her body being a turn off any more or less rational than her being 'trans'?
 
Abe Bly said:
But if lacking children is the only deal-breaker in a relationship, then that's kind of sad.
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Am I living in an alternate universe? I will not let this absurd statement go unexplained.

The rest of the post was also riddled with inconsistencies and inaneness, but this struck me as particularly egregious.
 
JoeBoy101 said:
Just out of curiosity, how is finding specific parts of her body being a turn off any more or less rational than her being 'trans'?
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Remember that this is in the context of suddenly finding out someone is trans. If suddenly you don't like her broad shoulders or square jaw, but you did before, that's irrational. If, along with that revelation, you find out she still has her penis, that can be off-putting. Some guys just don't like penis, and that's okay.


GremlinFool said:
Am I living in an alternate universe? I will not let this absurd statement go unexplained.
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You're living in a universe where a relationship shouldn't make or break on whether you can have biological children. If you care about the kid being yours, then you should very well care about who the other half of you is.
 
GremlinFool said:
Am I living in an alternate universe? I will not let this absurd statement go unexplained.

The rest of the post was also riddled with inconsistencies and inaneness, but this struck me as particularly egregious.
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Given that not having the capacity for child bearing is never a matter of choice, and always the result of unfortunate physical conditions, i also feel that it's a remarkably depressing thing that someone stops considering someone they potentially love greatly a viable partner, rather than overcoming what is, compared to their partner, a luxury, in order to share parenthood obtained through other methods with a person who has no other choice but to find a partner willing to choose those methods.

Certainly we can agree that utilitarianism in relationships is always a bit sad.
 
Abe Bly said:
Remember that this is in the context of suddenly finding out someone is trans. If suddenly you don't like her broad shoulders or square jaw, but you did before, that's irrational. If, along with that revelation, you find out she still has her penis, that can be off-putting. Some guys just don't like penis, and that's okay.
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I imagine the timing of when to reveal something will always bring issue with some people.
Say it too soon, and the other person will start seeing the opposite gender features on you even if they aren't there. Say it too late and the person might feel "betrayed" at some level.

That's something that might vary from person to person too.
Human psychology can make things messy unfortunately.

Personally I think I'd rather know earlier on but I think I'd also be fine with it later on (if I liked the person I'd be more attached to them at that point), but it's not something I can say for sure without ever been put in that situation.
 
John Kowalski said:
Given that not having the capacity for child bearing is never a matter of choice, and always the result of unfortunate physical conditions, i also feel that it's a remarkably depressing thing that someone stops considering someone they potentially love greatly a viable partner, rather than overcoming what is, compared to their partner, a luxury, in order to share parenthood obtained through other methods with a person who has no other choice but to find a partner willing to choose those methods.

Certainly we can agree that utilitarianism in relationships is always a bit sad.
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I think the crux of your thesis, that finding a viable partner is normatively and inherently preferable to the "luxury" of consummating that love by bearing progeny, is not only wildly subjective but intrinsically depressing in its own right.

Given that there are so many "viable partners" out there, what's so wrong about discounting one at the onset of a potential relationship before love can potentially settle in because you value the ability to bear children with them? Is it wildly homophobic or any other series of ad hominem insults that the original poster lobbed at such sad heathens to DESIRE that from a relationship?
 
Abe Bly said:
Remember that this is in the context of suddenly finding out someone is trans. If suddenly you don't like her broad shoulders or square jaw, but you did before, that's irrational. If, along with that revelation, you find out she still has her penis, that can be off-putting. Some guys just don't like penis, and that's okay.




You're living in a universe where a relationship shouldn't make or break on whether you can have biological children. If you care about the kid being yours, then you should very well care about who the other half of you is.
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Emotions are irrational. Sex is irrational. Human beings are irrational.

I love that your posts have a consistent theme to them: "you should this" or "you should that." Relationships are about different things to different people. You can't tell someone that they should very well care about "x." You have such a seemingly absolute view of things and you tend to come across as telling people how they should think and how they should feel, assigning all these absolutes and criteria to things as opposed to being open-minded, tolerant and understanding. Isn't that a part of what the LGBTQ community tries to convey? Perhaps try a different approach and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to what you have to say instead of being turned off.
 
dani_dc said:
I imagine the timing of when to reveal something will always bring issue with some people.
Say it too soon, and the other person will start seeing the opposite gender features on you even if they aren't there. Say it too late and the person might feel "betrayed" at some level.

That's something that might vary from person to person too.
Human psychology can make things messy unfortunately.

Personally I think I'd rather know earlier on but I think I'd also be fine with it later on (if I liked the person I'd be more attached to them at that point), but it's not something I can say for sure without ever been put in that situation.
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I agree. It's a very touchy subject. Many things are, but this is one of them. Ultimately, though, I think that you've dodged a bullet if someone breaks up with you just because of a label and not any manifestation of that label.


GremlinFool said:
I think the crux of your thesis, that finding a viable partner is normatively and inherently preferable to the "luxury" of consummating that love by bearing progeny, is not only wildly subjective but intrinsically depressing in its own right.

Given that there are so many "viable partners" out there, what's so wrong about discounting one at the onset of a potential relationship before love can potentially settle in because you value the ability to bear children with them? Is it wildly homophobic or any other series of ad hominem insults that the original poster lobbed at such sad heathens to DESIRE that from a relationship?
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Good God, are you really going to bury your point behind a thesaurus like that?

As I said in my previous post, if you care so deeply about the kid you raise being yours (considering that adoption and other things are options), then you should care even more deeply about the other half of who that kid is: the mother.

And if you're okay to having many "viable partners" before settling down, then what's wrong with one of them being infertile? Wouldn't that actually be an advantage? Regarding mere attraction, there's no good founding for losing attraction from a mere label.


t-storm said:
Emotions are irrational. Sex is irrational. Human beings are irrational.

I love that your posts have a consistent theme to them: "you should this" or "you should that." Relationships are about different things to different people. You can't tell someone that they should very well care about "x." You have such a seemingly absolute view of things and you tend to come across as telling people how they should think and how they should feel, assigning all these absolutes and criteria to things as opposed to being open-minded, tolerant and understanding. Isn't that a part of what the LGBTQ community tries to convey? Perhaps try a different approach and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to what you have to say instead of being turned off.
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Let me tell you what you shouldn't do: irrationally hate or disregard people. When you stop being attracted to a woman just because of a label, that's hurtful. You shouldn't hurt people. I'm sorry if that's hard to hear.
 
GremlinFool said:
I think the crux of your thesis, that finding a viable partner is normatively and inherently preferable to the "luxury" of consummating that love by bearing progeny, is not only wildly subjective but intrinsically depressing in its own right.

Given that there are so many "viable partners" out there, what's so wrong about discounting one at the onset of a potential relationship before love can potentially settle in because you value the ability to bear children with them? Is it wildly homophobic or any other series of ad hominem insults that the original poster lobbed at such sad heathens to DESIRE that from a relationship?
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Subjective in what sense? And in contrast to which objectivity? I don't think the imperative of sharing your life with someone you love is hierarchically lower than the imperative to have biological children, honestly it seems to me that the former is significantly higher than the latter, generally, a sentiment i share and whose inversion i feel requires a particular lack of compassion. Thus why to me it is saddening to observe people proclaiming that people who cannot have children are automatically below their standards, or outside their spectrum, or however they would describe them.

I don't think it's wrong, i don't think that's the correct way to read this, but Abe Bly clearly feels strongly about this and i don't think there is anything wrong in his/her opinion either. And certainly you can see why there such a fear of transphobia being behind those opinions, can't you? Given the contemporary context of LGBT culture and its relationship with the wider culture, i think it's more than fair to expect transphobia from any opinion of lesser empathy towards them, it's an unavoidable context.
 
Abe Bly, I agree with you and I would love to live in that world but the reality is, we don't live in that world at the moment and ultimately, people are allowed/entitled to be attracted/unattracted to whatever they'd like to be. And calling those people out as phobic or anything else doesn't help anyone's cause but only continues to cast divisions and propagate ignorance.
 
t-storm said:
Abe Bly, I agree with you and I would love to live in that world but the reality is, we don't live in that world at the moment and ultimately, people are allowed/entitled to be attracted/unattracted to whatever they'd like to be. And calling those people out as phobic or anything else doesn't help anyone's cause but only continues to cast divisions and propagate ignorance.
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I see what you're saying, but I don't think "tolerating intolerance" is a noble quest. I think, yes, the LGBTQ movement is about "being open-minded, tolerant and understanding", but only towards people who aren't hurting others. It's about understanding that there's nothing wrong with being queer and tolerating the people who are, not understanding that some people hate on queers and tolerating those people anyway.

Nothing gets accomplished by tolerating intolerance. That's just suffering. If people don't want to learn about transgender men and women, then they can avoid displaying their naiveté in a thread about transgender people.
 
Abe Bly said:
I see what you're saying, but I don't think "tolerating intolerance" is a noble quest. I think, yes, the LGBTQ movement is about "being open-minded, tolerant and understanding", but only towards people who aren't hurting others. It's about understanding that there's nothing wrong with being queer and tolerating the people who are, not understanding that some people hate on queers and tolerating those people anyway.

Nothing gets accomplished by tolerating intolerance. That's just suffering. If people don't want to learn about transgender men and women, then they can avoid displaying their naiveté in a thread about transgender people.
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Completely agree but with innocent naiveté, there can be opportunities to reach out. How else will people be educated? Not usually with harshness. Not necessarily referring to you but I do tend to see a lot of walking on eggshells in general by those who don't understand, genuinely want to and make an effort to. But they say one wrong thing and they're branded or labeled. With this thread, I don't think anyone came in here with mal intentions; if there was ignorance displayed, for the most part they admitted it and apologized.
 
t-storm said:
Emotions are irrational. Sex is irrational. Human beings are irrational.

I love that your posts have a consistent theme to them: "you should this" or "you should that." Relationships are about different things to different people. You can't tell someone that they should very well care about "x." You have such a seemingly absolute view of things and you tend to come across as telling people how they should think and how they should feel, assigning all these absolutes and criteria to things as opposed to being open-minded, tolerant and understanding. Isn't that a part of what the LGBTQ community tries to convey? Perhaps try a different approach and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to what you have to say instead of being turned off.
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Hahahaha don't try to pull this shit. If you are attracted to someone, and finding out they are trans AFTER your initial attraction makes you less attracted to them, that is a problem.

Don't try to preach what the "LGBTQ" community is and should be while amplifying intolerance for it.
 
t-storm said:
Completely agree but with innocent naiveté, there can be opportunities to reach out. How else will people be educated? Not usually with harshness. Not necessarily referring to you but I do tend to see a lot of walking on eggshells in general by those who don't understand, genuinely want to and make an effort to. But they say one wrong thing and they're branded or labeled. With this thread, I don't think anyone came in here with mal intentions; if there was ignorance displayed, for the most part they admitted it and apologized.
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That's very fair, and I appreciate you bringing this up with me. I'll be more careful going forward.
 
KmA said:
Hahahaha don't try to pull this shit. If you are attracted to someone, and finding out they are trans AFTER your initial attraction makes you less attracted to them, that is a problem.

Don't try to preach what the "LGBTQ" community is and should be while amplifying intolerance for it.
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You're equating attraction/unattraction to tolerance/intolerance. As I've already said, anyone is entitled and should be able to be attracted/unattracted to whatever they want. Labelling that as intolerant can be dangerous and perpetuate divisiveness like the tone of your post demonstrates: not constructive or helpful in any way whatsoever.
 
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I don't understand what's so special about her transition (Like...special enough to warrant a thread), tons of pre-transition trans girls go through dramatic changes like these.
It really shouldn't be all that surprising unless you are barely familiar with trans women and trans men.
:P
 
FoxSpirit said:
Being homosexual merely means you are attracted to the same sex. Going transgender means you feel you were born in the wrong body, on the wrong side of society. The problem is, you are not. Society is simply enforcing a bunch of rules on each gender and you switched to the side you feel closer to.

Don't change yourself, change society.

As a note, people always told me I am secretly gay because of my "feminine" mannerisms. Well, I picked up a lot from my mom. It was so strong I felt like I was born on the wrong side. But it was not me in the wrong body. It's society having ridiculous allencompassing gender norms.

So, I respect going transgender. But I will never applaud it. Because to me, they got you. They got you good.
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Kinda agree with this.
 
Honestly those "Obese kid turns into hot adult"-news articles about cis-people are aplenty.

Most important is that she's happy now.
 
MisterGrey3000 said:
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I don't understand what's so special about her transition (Like...special enough to warrant a thread), tons of pre-transition trans girls go through dramatic changes like these.
It really shouldn't be all that surprising unless you are barely familiar with trans women and trans men.
:P
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I think most cis people expect trans people to be "obvious" (which is a pretty problematic idea to begin with), and are shocked when they learn that many or most trans people look like them.
 
That's um, pretty impressive.

How about Nongpoy?

Before and after:
nong+poy-boy.jpg

nong-poy.jpg
 
FoxSpirit said:
Being homosexual merely means you are attracted to the same sex. Going transgender means you feel you were born in the wrong body, on the wrong side of society. The problem is, you are not. Society is simply enforcing a bunch of rules on each gender and you switched to the side you feel closer to.

Don't change yourself, change society.

As a note, people always told me I am secretly gay because of my "feminine" mannerisms. Well, I picked up a lot from my mom. It was so strong I felt like I was born on the wrong side. But it was not me in the wrong body. It's society having ridiculous allencompassing gender norms.

So, I respect going transgender. But I will never applaud it. Because to me, they got you. They got you good.
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...you make it sound like its about clothes or mannerisms. Its not. I want some fucking breasts! And its also about feelings. Theres so many times I've wanted to cry but couldn't. T_T
 
studyguy said:
Skin lightening procedures are serious fucking business from what I hear out in Korea/China. Out here in the Asian districts of LA they have signs up for similar treatments.
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When I was in Thailand, you couldn't buy face wash that didn't advertise that it had a whitening effect on your skin. As someone who is extremely white, I didn't want that. I think that my lightness of skin was the most attractive quality to my girlfriend at the time -_-
 
Conor_Fool said:
Hmm, I guess I'm in the minority but I could always tell from pictures you posted.

I think the pedo comment might be my queue to leave this thread.
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hahaha. Of course you could tell, because you already knew.

How many times, wandering around, have you falsely identified someone who is trans? You have no idea. I'd bet you think you're always bang on, your transdar pinging loudly in your head...
 
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