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Whoa, I would have never guessed. You look absolutely adorable.Eh. I feel like mine's better.
Whoa, I would have never guessed. You look absolutely adorable.Eh. I feel like mine's better.
Thanks, Letters.Damn Dax! Warms my heart seeing you so pretty and so happy now. And Lily is such a cute name.
That is flawed logic. It can't be helped if once you are told person x had a transition to another gender, that sexual desire is lost. It doesn't mean you are afraid to be labeled by others or yourself as gay. You are discounting a lot of other factors and just saying is a fear of gays thing. I'm sure a lot of people do think that way, but it isn't really fair to just lump everybody with that reasoning.
this...so much...its kinda like saying you should no matter whats natural still be attracted when other things come into play.
You're beating around the bush by saying "other things". What other things are you talking about? It has to be more specific than "you're trans", because that's an irrational phobia on its own.
No. That's normal. Breathing through your nose like you could before doesn't come back for like six months.
now its a phobia to not want to date someone because they're trans? this sounds all too familiar. so ill answer it to the best of my ability and drop it here.
Other things could mean im just not comfortable with dating a chic that physically used to be a guy.
could mean i want to naturally have children. i could be a guy that wont date an infertile chic.
It bothers me that everything has to be irrational and a phobia when it comes to people being uncomfortable with anything involving LGBT.
You just moved the goalposts from "being attracted" to "wanting a relationship", but I'll play along.
Not being comfortable with dating a person whose body used to be more masculine is absurd at best, and homophobic at worst. Not to mention it's only barely more specific than not being attracted to someone because she is trans, and it wouldn't be any more specific had I used exactly your wording.
Wanting to have children is a popular excuse for fairly obvious reasons, but a bad one if we go back to the original goal of merely being attracted. Plenty of people are attractive that you may be infertile with. People find anime characters attractive, for God's sake. But if lacking children is the only deal-breaker in a relationship, then that's kind of sad.
Maybe you don't want her emotional and historical baggage. That's fair. Maybe there are specific parts of her body that are a turn off. But just shirking at "trans" alone is irrational.
now its a phobia to not want to date someone because they're trans? this sounds all too familiar. so ill answer it to the best of my ability and drop it here.
Other things could mean im just not comfortable with dating a chic that physically used to be a guy.
could mean i want to naturally have children. i could be a guy that wont date an infertile chic.
It bothers me that everything has to be irrational and a phobia when it comes to people being uncomfortable with anything involving LGBT.
Maybe you don't want her emotional and historical baggage. That's fair. Maybe there are specific parts of her body that are a turn off. But just shirking at "trans" alone is irrational.
Am I living in an alternate universe? I will not let this absurd statement go unexplained.But if lacking children is the only deal-breaker in a relationship, then that's kind of sad.
Am I living in an alternate universe? I will not let this absurd statement go unexplained.
The rest of the post was also riddled with inconsistencies and inaneness, but this struck me as particularly egregious.
Just out of curiosity, how is finding specific parts of her body being a turn off any more or less rational than her being 'trans'?
Am I living in an alternate universe? I will not let this absurd statement go unexplained.
Am I living in an alternate universe? I will not let this absurd statement go unexplained.
The rest of the post was also riddled with inconsistencies and inaneness, but this struck me as particularly egregious.
Remember that this is in the context of suddenly finding out someone is trans. If suddenly you don't like her broad shoulders or square jaw, but you did before, that's irrational. If, along with that revelation, you find out she still has her penis, that can be off-putting. Some guys just don't like penis, and that's okay.
I think the crux of your thesis, that finding a viable partner is normatively and inherently preferable to the "luxury" of consummating that love by bearing progeny, is not only wildly subjective but intrinsically depressing in its own right.Given that not having the capacity for child bearing is never a matter of choice, and always the result of unfortunate physical conditions, i also feel that it's a remarkably depressing thing that someone stops considering someone they potentially love greatly a viable partner, rather than overcoming what is, compared to their partner, a luxury, in order to share parenthood obtained through other methods with a person who has no other choice but to find a partner willing to choose those methods.
Certainly we can agree that utilitarianism in relationships is always a bit sad.
Emotions are irrational. Sex is irrational. Human beings are irrational.Remember that this is in the context of suddenly finding out someone is trans. If suddenly you don't like her broad shoulders or square jaw, but you did before, that's irrational. If, along with that revelation, you find out she still has her penis, that can be off-putting. Some guys just don't like penis, and that's okay.
You're living in a universe where a relationship shouldn't make or break on whether you can have biological children. If you care about the kid being yours, then you should very well care about who the other half of you is.
Btw transdar apparently doesn't exist, had no idea about Dax, haha.
I imagine the timing of when to reveal something will always bring issue with some people.
Say it too soon, and the other person will start seeing the opposite gender features on you even if they aren't there. Say it too late and the person might feel "betrayed" at some level.
That's something that might vary from person to person too.
Human psychology can make things messy unfortunately.
Personally I think I'd rather know earlier on but I think I'd also be fine with it later on (if I liked the person I'd be more attached to them at that point), but it's not something I can say for sure without ever been put in that situation.
I think the crux of your thesis, that finding a viable partner is normatively and inherently preferable to the "luxury" of consummating that love by bearing progeny, is not only wildly subjective but intrinsically depressing in its own right.
Given that there are so many "viable partners" out there, what's so wrong about discounting one at the onset of a potential relationship before love can potentially settle in because you value the ability to bear children with them? Is it wildly homophobic or any other series of ad hominem insults that the original poster lobbed at such sad heathens to DESIRE that from a relationship?
Emotions are irrational. Sex is irrational. Human beings are irrational.
I love that your posts have a consistent theme to them: "you should this" or "you should that." Relationships are about different things to different people. You can't tell someone that they should very well care about "x." You have such a seemingly absolute view of things and you tend to come across as telling people how they should think and how they should feel, assigning all these absolutes and criteria to things as opposed to being open-minded, tolerant and understanding. Isn't that a part of what the LGBTQ community tries to convey? Perhaps try a different approach and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to what you have to say instead of being turned off.
I think the crux of your thesis, that finding a viable partner is normatively and inherently preferable to the "luxury" of consummating that love by bearing progeny, is not only wildly subjective but intrinsically depressing in its own right.
Given that there are so many "viable partners" out there, what's so wrong about discounting one at the onset of a potential relationship before love can potentially settle in because you value the ability to bear children with them? Is it wildly homophobic or any other series of ad hominem insults that the original poster lobbed at such sad heathens to DESIRE that from a relationship?
Where can I get a prescription for Godzilla hormones?
Abe Bly, I agree with you and I would love to live in that world but the reality is, we don't live in that world at the moment and ultimately, people are allowed/entitled to be attracted/unattracted to whatever they'd like to be. And calling those people out as phobic or anything else doesn't help anyone's cause but only continues to cast divisions and propagate ignorance.
Eh. I feel like mine's better.
Eh. I feel like mine's better.
Completely agree but with innocent naiveté, there can be opportunities to reach out. How else will people be educated? Not usually with harshness. Not necessarily referring to you but I do tend to see a lot of walking on eggshells in general by those who don't understand, genuinely want to and make an effort to. But they say one wrong thing and they're branded or labeled. With this thread, I don't think anyone came in here with mal intentions; if there was ignorance displayed, for the most part they admitted it and apologized.I see what you're saying, but I don't think "tolerating intolerance" is a noble quest. I think, yes, the LGBTQ movement is about "being open-minded, tolerant and understanding", but only towards people who aren't hurting others. It's about understanding that there's nothing wrong with being queer and tolerating the people who are, not understanding that some people hate on queers and tolerating those people anyway.
Nothing gets accomplished by tolerating intolerance. That's just suffering. If people don't want to learn about transgender men and women, then they can avoid displaying their naiveté in a thread about transgender people.
Emotions are irrational. Sex is irrational. Human beings are irrational.
I love that your posts have a consistent theme to them: "you should this" or "you should that." Relationships are about different things to different people. You can't tell someone that they should very well care about "x." You have such a seemingly absolute view of things and you tend to come across as telling people how they should think and how they should feel, assigning all these absolutes and criteria to things as opposed to being open-minded, tolerant and understanding. Isn't that a part of what the LGBTQ community tries to convey? Perhaps try a different approach and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to what you have to say instead of being turned off.
Completely agree but with innocent naiveté, there can be opportunities to reach out. How else will people be educated? Not usually with harshness. Not necessarily referring to you but I do tend to see a lot of walking on eggshells in general by those who don't understand, genuinely want to and make an effort to. But they say one wrong thing and they're branded or labeled. With this thread, I don't think anyone came in here with mal intentions; if there was ignorance displayed, for the most part they admitted it and apologized.
You're equating attraction/unattraction to tolerance/intolerance. As I've already said, anyone is entitled and should be able to be attracted/unattracted to whatever they want. Labelling that as intolerant can be dangerous and perpetuate divisiveness like the tone of your post demonstrates: not constructive or helpful in any way whatsoever.Hahahaha don't try to pull this shit. If you are attracted to someone, and finding out they are trans AFTER your initial attraction makes you less attracted to them, that is a problem.
Don't try to preach what the "LGBTQ" community is and should be while amplifying intolerance for it.
I don't get it, you look the same in all three photos.
Kinda agree with this.Being homosexual merely means you are attracted to the same sex. Going transgender means you feel you were born in the wrong body, on the wrong side of society. The problem is, you are not. Society is simply enforcing a bunch of rules on each gender and you switched to the side you feel closer to.
Don't change yourself, change society.
As a note, people always told me I am secretly gay because of my "feminine" mannerisms. Well, I picked up a lot from my mom. It was so strong I felt like I was born on the wrong side. But it was not me in the wrong body. It's society having ridiculous allencompassing gender norms.
So, I respect going transgender. But I will never applaud it. Because to me, they got you. They got you good.
lolKinda agree with this.
Kinda agree with this.
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I don't understand what's so special about her transition (Like...special enough to warrant a thread), tons of pre-transition trans girls go through dramatic changes like these.
It really shouldn't be all that surprising unless you are barely familiar with trans women and trans men.
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...you make it sound like its about clothes or mannerisms. Its not. I want some fucking breasts! And its also about feelings. Theres so many times I've wanted to cry but couldn't. T_TBeing homosexual merely means you are attracted to the same sex. Going transgender means you feel you were born in the wrong body, on the wrong side of society. The problem is, you are not. Society is simply enforcing a bunch of rules on each gender and you switched to the side you feel closer to.
Don't change yourself, change society.
As a note, people always told me I am secretly gay because of my "feminine" mannerisms. Well, I picked up a lot from my mom. It was so strong I felt like I was born on the wrong side. But it was not me in the wrong body. It's society having ridiculous allencompassing gender norms.
So, I respect going transgender. But I will never applaud it. Because to me, they got you. They got you good.
That's um, pretty impressive.
How about Nongpoy?
Before and after:
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Skin lightening procedures are serious fucking business from what I hear out in Korea/China. Out here in the Asian districts of LA they have signs up for similar treatments.
Hmm, I guess I'm in the minority but I could always tell from pictures you posted.
I think the pedo comment might be my queue to leave this thread.