The problem with that thinking is: Why should I have to reach level 20 to get this "different" and somehow "better" game. If the game is boring until level 20, then start me at level 20. A "core" of a game shouldn't begin late. That would be horrible design and in my opinion it is just an excuse.
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The problem with that thinking is: Why should I have to reach level 20 to get this "different" and somehow "better" game. If the game is boring until level 20, then start me at level 20. A "core" of a game shouldn't begin late. That would be horrible design and in my opinion it is just an excuse.
Ivory Samoan
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They never said it wasn't ready post release, the moment the servers were online for all that is when Bungie wanted their game to be judged, which is fair enough IMO.
Sites take weeks to come out with MMORPG reviews, this is extremely MMOlite.... but still has a lot of the facets of an online only, massively multiplayer game.
A few hundred reviewers on a test server would not make for very quick PvP loadups, Public event success or Strike matchmaking testing etc, it does make sense that they would want the game to be 'alive' before being judged.
Tomeru
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You know there is more to do than go through story missions.
The content is there guys, but if all of you who aren't impressed with the game only latch on to one aspect that is of most important to you (like story for example), than there is no point. Like with every game, you need to look at the total package. And the total package is extremely polished, and extremely fun. I am level 21, and have yet to finish the story, have yet to see raids or participate in all of the pvp modes. Am I doing it wrong? Is my opinion wrong? Am I not informed enough?
There is no problem in that thinking, it's how games with levels work. Every single rpg game that keeps you playing after you finished the story has end game. This is what it means. When I play an RPG I always look forward to higher level and how my character abilities will develop. As I menioned, I am level 21 and still didn't max my starting class abilities, let alone my secondary class - which I have yet to even use.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Except I don't think I've even seen a hundred players total over the last 2 days. I know they're playing (my friends list is full of them) but in the actual game the number of players you're likely to encounter is vanishingly small. This game could have been reviewed pre launch without losing anything, IMO.
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JoJo UK
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Yeah I gotta agree with this, I'm enjoying playing and all, but I really love fps and will have fun with most. Destiny doesn't seem to live up to the hype. I would have said 8/10 when I first started, but prolly drop that to 7/10 (note I'm not at level 20 so this may go up). As Citadel previously said, the journey needs to be there. I can see myself going back to BF4 and Titanfall much sooner than I originally thought.
EventHorizon
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Looks like Bungie needs to update their motto:
No!!! No you can't stretch that out to be an entire game. Well a game that is any good anyway.
However actually that's not what was intended. The intent was...
(bold added)
Bungie seems to have forgotten that key bolded part.
Bungie's Motto said:
No!!! No you can't stretch that out to be an entire game. Well a game that is any good anyway.
However actually that's not what was intended. The intent was...
(bold added)
Bungie seems to have forgotten that key bolded part.
The lack of exploration really irks me. The moon especially. Earth Old Russia concealed it a little better, so it kind of felt a bit like a Borderlands level say... But then I got to the Moon andI don't fee like I'm in an open world. I've died 4x to TURN BACK NOW!!!! (being that I was jet packing to an interesting looking place, I couldn't turn back on time). Just boom, insta killed by the game for looking around. One time, I literally just stepped into a crater, thats in the middle of the damn map. TURN BACK NOW instadeath.
Its not Medal of Honor bad, but the moon sure has a lot of rock formed hallways/roadways to keep me going in the preferred direction. I really expected more. What happens when the free roam stuff gets old? I did an hour or so free roam on the moon yesterday to fulfill a collect style bounty.. it was tedious and didn't improve my character in any noticeable way.
I'm a little concerned about that.
Load times are pretty crappy. Even with a 7200rpm drive in there. And yeah, as others pointed out, why even bother with different ship types if we don't get to fly them. The game kind of screams for space combat. Or even planetary combat. All those drops ships wouldn't be so brazen if we could attack them with our own ships! So I'm kind of amazed there isn't any ship combat.
Game is not all bad. I'm still having some fun. But it's definitely not amazing.
Its not Medal of Honor bad, but the moon sure has a lot of rock formed hallways/roadways to keep me going in the preferred direction. I really expected more. What happens when the free roam stuff gets old? I did an hour or so free roam on the moon yesterday to fulfill a collect style bounty.. it was tedious and didn't improve my character in any noticeable way.
I'm a little concerned about that.
Load times are pretty crappy. Even with a 7200rpm drive in there. And yeah, as others pointed out, why even bother with different ship types if we don't get to fly them. The game kind of screams for space combat. Or even planetary combat. All those drops ships wouldn't be so brazen if we could attack them with our own ships! So I'm kind of amazed there isn't any ship combat.
Game is not all bad. I'm still having some fun. But it's definitely not amazing.
Are you suggesting that other people are wrong for disagreeing with you? I've played all the PvP modes - they're all variations on deathmatch. No King of the hill, no capture the flag, no VIP - it's fun mechanically, but super limited content wise.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
Anyone going to answer what happens at level 20 with specifics?
opticalmace
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Another review from a site on gamerankings, Hardcore Gamer, 4/5.
The content is repetitive in the same way Monster Hunter, PSO and Soul Sacrifice content is repetitive. In these cases repetition isn't an issue but suddenly with Destiny, a game that is almost structurally similar to the above games, it's a big problem. This is that kind of game. These games "recycle" like crazy but they're still really fun because the "recycled" content isn't the focus or why they're fun. Those games aren't well regarded by the general games press either but people confident enough in their own tastes to not need someone to tell them what's good or bad don't care.
ElfArmy177
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Poodlestrike
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Not much, apparently. You start grinding for gear with Light in the Heroic versions of the levels we've been playing thus far. I have no idea what huge change people are talking about; the level 20s I was playing with earlier were just finishing out the story. Nothing particularly special had happened to them.
Tomeru
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Not at all. But there is also more to do than pvp. Did you do heroics? Did you do raids? How about the six man raids? I don't even have scavenge mode or whatever its called in pvp unlocked.
Al I'm saying is that most people play until they come across the first thing that bothers them, and they stop there. Opinions don't have to be fair, they are just opinions.
Sho_Nuff82
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Considering a few of the modes exclude matchmaking entirely, and many areas forbid voice chat with non-friends, the review restriction for "a more populated server experience" makes even less sense.
Waiting to judge a game on post-release content is ridiculous. Consumer reviews are for consumers to review what's in the box they are looking to buy. They are accurate up to the day they are written. Destiny isn't an MMO, it has less content even than PSO, Borderlands, or Diablo, and most reviews I imagine would focus around the content available, as the actual mechanics of the game have been known for months.
As it's the content that is getting the most glaring criticisms, I find it saddening that so many are willing to accept this model of "we, the publisher, know better than the review community when it's the right time to let people know how awesome our game is. If that's a week after we've collected a billion dollars, so be it."
Poodlestrike
Banned
But... that's not the case here. There are strikes, yes. But the heroic versions are just harder versions of those strikes. If you're already sick repeating content, just jacking up the difficulty won't help. And the (singular) raid isn't even out until next week, because, I don't know, reasons?
People such as myself have gotten all the way through the story mode with a number of things bothering them, and it's not fair to say that anyone who doesn't appreciate the game must just not be getting it.
i'm getting a pinch of nostalgia going back to the halcyon summer of 1999 following the phantom menace's release.
that film actually reviewed okay and plenty of people seemed to find a way to enjoy it with an asterisk. it took a while to fully process just how disappointing it was.
that film actually reviewed okay and plenty of people seemed to find a way to enjoy it with an asterisk. it took a while to fully process just how disappointing it was.
family_guy
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Well I think FPS gameplay in general has limits but I think that's especially true with this game. Despite the classes, I think it's more restricted than something like Borderlands or even Bioshock with the different plasmids to some extent. It really doesn't have vehicles per say like Battlefield and Halo. The shooting feels satisfying though, but there's only so many weapons and ways that you can shoot them.
I haven't played the game myself yet but this is the impression that I got.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Some people in the past few days:
LOL
EventHorizon
Member
Actually I don't think that is what is happening. What's happening is that people initially really like the game. Then over time they start to get a sense that something isn't right. Finally they realize that they are doing the same thing over and over again in the same places, and that the rest of the game will be just like that. Oh, and on top of that the story is nonexistent.
youbastards
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I'm about to hit level 10 with a Hunter, and so far I have been underwhelmed with Destiny. Both the story and online social interaction is about as advanced as Phantasy Star Online on the Dreamcast 13 years ago.
Right now we are enjoying this game.
I agree with the idea that games right now lack variety, but also, for the nature of the game, there are good chances that more content will be unlocked at level 20, like any other MMORPG where the real game and fun starts when you reach the level cap.
Destiny is not the game that will bring something new, it's a game with a very solid shooting mechanics, an awesome visual (I *love* the art direction of this game) and a world full of possibilities.
It's fun, especially with friends and right now it's all that matters.
I agree with the idea that games right now lack variety, but also, for the nature of the game, there are good chances that more content will be unlocked at level 20, like any other MMORPG where the real game and fun starts when you reach the level cap.
Destiny is not the game that will bring something new, it's a game with a very solid shooting mechanics, an awesome visual (I *love* the art direction of this game) and a world full of possibilities.
It's fun, especially with friends and right now it's all that matters.
That isn't a good thing. Having a game force you to get through the beginning just to enjoy the end isn't right, and shouldn't be accepted. Just like how the defence of MMO's is that "the end game is where its at." If I'm not having fun levelling up my character, then it becomes a chore and I lose interest very, very quickly.
Funny to see the people who love the game try to discredit the valid and rational opinions of the people who expected more from the game.
The reality is that Destiny was touted or marketed as the second coming. Game might not be bad but it clearly didn't live up to the expectations derived from the marketing.
The reality is that Destiny was touted or marketed as the second coming. Game might not be bad but it clearly didn't live up to the expectations derived from the marketing.
Alx
Member
PSO was so good though... it's a pity they didn't go all the way and had the ghost mirror the mags in PSO, with their evolution when you feed them, stat boosts, special attacks. Each time you had all the level replaced by the rainbow background of a mag super felt epic.
I'm finding it fun leveling my character in Destiny though. Leveling pretty quickly, too. Level 8 and I've only played for about 4 hours. The pace makes me think they want everyone at 20 sooner than later.
People who expected more from the game do the same? In the end it's only our personal opinions man.
Duxxy3
Member
Some people in the past few days:
Love it.
Dalibor_San
Member
I finished the story(currently level 22), did all the strikes, played the Crucible a bit(all modes) and even did the activities that unlock after level 20.
Those activities that are a game changer to some,want to know what they offer? They are the same damn strikes and Missions except more difficult and on a separate playlist.
The daily activities/weekly have small challenges, I mean the current quest is a earth story that I've done at the begging of the game, except now I'm doing a level 20(or higher) version which is more challenging.
There is no difference, no new enemies nothing new about the mission, the strikes? Same bloody thing, harder but no different then the normal thing.
I'm honestly wondering where people are saying it is a completely different games once you reach level 20, as in my experience it isn't.
I see the defense that it is a loot game,I could see that point however in this case the loot is atrocious and you barely get shit.
I don't mind grind, however this game is testing my patience at how bad it is(the load times don't help),I'm sad that public events have not shown up the whole game.
I then go to do a bounty(old russia) and one finally appears, I was happy and it was fun,they need to up the chance of these appearing as this and strikes are the most fun I've had with this game.(Just wish Strikes had a better incentive to do them,I'm getting better loot from the crucible)
you could literallyliterally literallysay this about any game ever made
'you just push buttons. the numbers do the rest.'
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Game mechanics = finger movements.
NeoGAF, redefining gaming.
Also, why the heck you think you did in D1 and D2 other than click on stuff? I don't recall these two games shipping with Advanced Game Mechanics (TM) rotary controls and analog switch boards.
youbastards
Member
PSO was so good though... it's a pity they didn't go all the way and had the ghost mirror the mags in PSO, with their evolution when you feed them, stat boosts, special attacks. Each time you had all the level replaced by the rainbow background of a mag super felt epic.
Oh, I'm not shitting on PSO in any way, I just expected more from Bungie. A game from 2014 shouldn't have the same level of depth of online interaction as a game from 2001 that I played on a dial-up connection. :\
BattleMonkey
Member
Enjoying the game, but yea its very flawed game and it feels like it should be epic game, when it really is very limited in scope. Over hype also plays in this. In many ways it feels like a mmo that has had so much scaled back to make it a non pay to play title.
Solid foundation for a game, but it needs much more to it as it really is going to get overly repetitive. The whole living world aspect is not there, it's very sterile in how the enemies spawn exactly same way, same spot, and will repeat same situations. You clear and area, few min walk back, and EXACT same combat scenario plays out. The game needed more of the random element tossed in as well as more use of the events, which after quite a few hours in, have yet to find one.
Longevity of the game is also being done via mmo like endgame grinds.
Enjoying it still though, but yea I dont think it will have much longevity with me.
Solid foundation for a game, but it needs much more to it as it really is going to get overly repetitive. The whole living world aspect is not there, it's very sterile in how the enemies spawn exactly same way, same spot, and will repeat same situations. You clear and area, few min walk back, and EXACT same combat scenario plays out. The game needed more of the random element tossed in as well as more use of the events, which after quite a few hours in, have yet to find one.
Longevity of the game is also being done via mmo like endgame grinds.
Enjoying it still though, but yea I dont think it will have much longevity with me.
You can break down any game like this. Not to mention Diablo's loot and customization blows Destiny's out of the water.
I resent that.
You also have to spam number keys 1-4 pretty generously.
I love Diablo 3.
spacemonkeynation
Member
Um, no, no they haven't. Destiny totally has the same kind of approach, except now instead of guns, grenades, melee you also have powers and better movement abilities.
Fucking A, the amount of vitriol being thrown around here and just plain misrepresentative information is annoying. We get it, you don't know why other people like the game. Beyond telling you to play on harder difficulty while pushing your own gameplay style (i.e. don't spend the whole game sniping from 100 yards behind boxes), nothing I or anyone else says will change what you feel about the game. That doesn't mean you should just make up a bunch of bullshit to post on the forums, though. Unless of course you aren't open to discussion and are just wanting to fling shit like the rest of the Destiny/Bungie hate mob.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
Monster Hunter forces you to be far more strategic than Destiny and each boss requires a different approach. Each weapon plays completely differently.
Never played Soul Sacrifice and don't remember PSO well enough.
Alx
Member
Yeah I get what you mean. As a matter of fact, even the PSO sequels didn't manage to catch my interest either, things should move forward.
I only played the beta of Destiny, but I immediately felt the similarities with PSO while doing it, with an impression of "been there, done that" (plus missing the charm and a few features like the ones I mentioned). I came out unimpressed by the game too, but like others mentioned before it wouldn't be as much of an issue if the publishers hadn't sold it as something "never seen before".
Heh. I swear some of you just want this game to be bad.
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