CyberPunked
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4GB for the 980 seems too low. Considering it's a generation ahead of AMDs 290x, which has 4GB.
Nvidia GTX 980/970 3DMark Scores Leaked- from Videocardz.com
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TC McQueen
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In case people wanted to know if 980s/970s would have long PCBs:
MSI tweaked the cooler's look, but that's not very interesting.
MSI tweaked the cooler's look, but that's not very interesting.
michaelius
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There should be some 8GB variants for people who belive that.
I feel like not only the discussion, but even the leaked pics, the leaked benchmarks, everything, is a total repeat of Kepler's launch.
It's almost uncanny.
It's almost uncanny.
I see your specific word choice, and I must admit, I like it.
jim2point0
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I think it's low because I had 4GB 680s. Then I upgraded to 6GB 780s. So if i want to upgrade to the 900 series, I need to wait for the 6-8GB version to feel like I'm not gimping my system. 6GB should be fine though.
TC McQueen
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Maybe Nvidia saw that and how it built up tons of hype and deliberately allowed this level of leaks to happen?
appaws
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If you can't get everybody fired up by performance increases...then you have to get them fired up with price/performance improvements. AMD has done that recently.
10% better than a 780ti at $450 US would get people psyched, I think. Except those among us in the futurist crowd who are perpetually waiting for the next thing. They won't be happy until NV announces the 2nm process technology.
Question: Now I am wondering....based on the 285, can we guess anything about higher-end Tonga releases upcoming...? Scott at Techreport seems pretty enthused on the most recent podcast.
andromeduck
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I just hope apple will plop one of these mobile chips in their next rMBP so I can use UE4 without bleeding out.
KillaKalz347
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Besides a 285X, there's nothing else out there, AMD has kept really quiet. But I have a feeling we're in for a real treat with the 300 series.
If AMD take the plunge with a 20nm lineup and nice performance increases in early 2015 or so, it'll definitely leave Nvidia sidelined. For a while. The efficiency of Maxwell combined with a die shrink could ultimately leave Nvidia with the superior GPU line-up, but of course AMD can always play ball with pricing(there's no such thing as a bad card, so long as the price is right).
Could be interesting.
2002whitegt
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If rumors are true, and the 980 runs at 170w TDP, that will be amazing.
Provided it can fit, that would make small form gaming pc's powerhouses.
I think the Alienware x51 could run that card at that draw power!
Really hoping that these are the last of the 28nm cards though.
Provided it can fit, that would make small form gaming pc's powerhouses.
I think the Alienware x51 could run that card at that draw power!
Really hoping that these are the last of the 28nm cards though.
8GB actually. Perfect for Skyrim. I think a 256-bit card is suited for 2/4/8 GB variants, while a 384-bit card (perhaps like GTX "1080" or Titan 2) would be suited for 3/6/12 GB variants.
Zombie James
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Anyone know if Nvidia has anything planned for the $200-250 range?
Haint
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They'll probably brand the 950Ti intended chip as a $279 960. Welcome to the modern GPU market.
I wonder how that'll go.
There's literally nothing solid to go off of yet, other than that there are new cards coming out, they are on Maxwell, and they should offer better performance:$ than current stuff.
Other than that, wait for the 17th.
Well, this whole thing has been really disconcerting. Two years now and we're still on 28nm? Not cool, man. Not cool.
At least we're finally getting to the point where the mid-high-end card (this is a thing now? heh) can finally EQUAL the power of my two GTX 670s... equal, but not really exceed, at least not to any spectacular degree. I've been waiting for a moderately priced single-card solution to overpower my system for quite some time now, and it seems I will be left waiting for quite a while longer still.
At least we're finally getting to the point where the mid-high-end card (this is a thing now? heh) can finally EQUAL the power of my two GTX 670s... equal, but not really exceed, at least not to any spectacular degree. I've been waiting for a moderately priced single-card solution to overpower my system for quite some time now, and it seems I will be left waiting for quite a while longer still.
I wouldn't have thought so too soon after the first few cards. Perhaps the 960 will fit in some where in that range since the 660 did, but I'm expecting the 960 to be at least as strong as a 680/770 (and with 3GB GDDR5 if they aren't silly), but I dunno if they would allow something like that for so cheap.
To put it another way: 2.5 years after the 680, won't it probably only have been just a ~50% performance increase?
brotkasten
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I'm still using an old HD6950 I bought at launch for 320 in 2010 and while it's showing its age, I'm really not convinced that the current cards are that great either, even though I know they easily can be twice as fast as my current card. And when I see these rumored benchmarks where the new cards are barely faster than the old cards, I can't say I'm psyched at all.
I feel like one of those people who are still waiting for a big leap with a new generation, because the speed advantage to my current card was build up over the years, rather than with one successor (which isn't necessarily true either; the 7970 was already a big leap in some cases, but still not big enough for me). The recycling of old cards only reinforces that feeling.
There's never going to be a huge leap like there has in the past. Probably.
What they do now is release the mid and low end cards from a new architecture as the "high end" models. Then they release the high end cards as really expensive new high end cards.
So rather than going from, lets say, 4870->5870, the 5870 would have been released as the 6970, with the 5870 actually being the 5780. I hope that makes sense.
For comparison, if they were getting the die shrinks as quickly as they were in the past, the 670/680 would have historically been the parts that they released as the Titan/780 Ti/780. The 680/670 would have historically been the 660 Ti/660.
Supposedly that is simply not sustainable anymore.
What they do now is release the mid and low end cards from a new architecture as the "high end" models. Then they release the high end cards as really expensive new high end cards.
So rather than going from, lets say, 4870->5870, the 5870 would have been released as the 6970, with the 5870 actually being the 5780. I hope that makes sense.
For comparison, if they were getting the die shrinks as quickly as they were in the past, the 670/680 would have historically been the parts that they released as the Titan/780 Ti/780. The 680/670 would have historically been the 660 Ti/660.
Supposedly that is simply not sustainable anymore.
brotkasten
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I understand that. But since I basically stopped following PC tech around the time I got my current card, it was never quite clear to me. I,guess in the end it all comes down to pricing. I remember buying the HD4870 at launch for 250 bucks and it was a steal. I'd buy something like an R9 290 for the same price.
NVidia wat r u doin
some
games are going to be so poorly optimized they just expect you to have infinite vram. iirc, dead rising 3 is like this too.
modded GTA5 will definitely demand some vram
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ubisoft
modded GTA5 will definitely demand some vram
Pocky4Th3Win
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You're a fringe case, most people never get anywhere near that.My modded Skyrim eats over 4GB of VRAM.
Sir Abacus
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Probably not since it's expected to have a 256-bit bus.
10101
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Can't wait for these, been waiting for what feels like forever! My trusty 560ti gave up the ghost earlier in the year and I opted for a cheapo 650 to tide me over as I'm mostly playing on PS4 atm. Here's hoping the 980 is sub £400, I don't really want to drop anymore than that on it really (although I probably would lol).
You missed out. When everyone was dumping 290s due to Litecoin mining inefficiency, you could nab barely used ones for like $170. It was insane. You can still find them on sale (new) for pretty cheap, as low as ~$300.
For what it's worth, the RELATIVE performance might be pretty low for, lets say, a 760 or 280X. However, what you get is a card that can run 98% of games at 1080p/120Hz. You'll probably want to be on the lookout for AMD dropping prices, or perhaps an eventual 960 Ti.
So i guess 8gb would be the most likely then, if they are starting with 4gb? Hm.
Sir Abacus
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Probably. According to the shots of the Galaxy GTX 970 with the HSF and back removed the 4GB version is using 8x4Gbit chips and there's board spaces there ready to drag it to 16x4Gbit for an 8GB card.
Sir Abacus
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Oh wow the GTX 980 is only a GM204 part? What the hell?
That's really disappointing. I think I'll wait for a full GM210 part before upgrading.
That's really disappointing. I think I'll wait for a full GM210 part before upgrading.
SneakyStephan
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It's uncanny because it's the exact same situation, and I was in those threads posting the exact same things I am now
I wasn't wrong then, I hope that with 20/20 hindsight to how kepler went that more people will see it coming this time.
You are 100percent right about that.
I am not at all dissapointed with maxwell itself, the power efficiency is amazing considering it's on the same process node.
The problem is with how they're placing the cards, when they're releasing them and what the names of the cards tells us about how they will price it.
Part of me remains hopeful but I am prepared for crushing dissapointment as all the signs are there.
I also hope amd plays ball, but that won't be for another 6 months to a year, until then we are at nvidia's mercy... all the while nvidia will be allowed to set the tone for future pricing. It's a vicious circle at this point
There's only 3 ways this will go:
nvidia launch 970 at 400+ dollars, consumers buy it, nvidia is content with the numbers, the release scheme mkeynon detailed remains, amd will get in line and follow suit.
nvidia launch 970 at 400+ dollars, consumers don't massively buy it, nvidia and retailers look at the dissapointing sales and are forced to drop the price, amd will be egged on to compete to avoid similar launch
nvidia launch 970 at 300 dollars, peace in the middle east, a meteor falls into the ocean and elicits a reaction that neutralizes most greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, everything went better than expected.
I do like to think (and this is total baseless speculation) that this price/performance stagnation will eventually reach a breaking point with consumers, then amd and nvidia get to whine about a shrinking market cutting into their revenue and it will be a self fulfilling prophecy
dgrdsv
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AMD's "Islands" codenames are cards lines codenames which can easily mix up to three different GPU architectures in them. I though this became pretty apparent during the last couple of years, no?
NJDEN
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I think I'll upgrade once these come out... I'm realizing that Nvidia & AMD will never release a card that radically improves performance as it would mess up their long term marketing objectives... I'm just going to expect the same incremental performance increases with every release of a card series... Besides an upgrade from my GTX 570 to a 980 would be a welcome one.
TC McQueen
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Well, games haven't really needed more horsepower thanks to consoles, aside from a few titles and effects. VRAM is more of an issue honestly.
KillaKalz347
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AMD is absolutely going to do a 20nm lineup, along with 16nm FinFET.
Recently upgraded my GTX 570 to a GTX 770 for peanuts, and I'm running an overclocked 2600k. I think I'm set for another 12-18 months at least. Which means I'll be looking into building a brand new PC more than 5 years (will be closer to 6, probably) after the last one. That's dangerously & almost uncomfortably close to a console's lifecycle. Damn.
What games have you played?
According to benchmarks, it doesn't come close to "wrecking" BF4, AC4, WD and Crysis 3
Question is when.
And so they spend less, progress slows even more, perhaps AMD even gets out of the business altogether and then I can just justify it all by saying 'that's capitalism', right?
brotkasten
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I'm in Europe, so I probably would've missed out anyway. But damn. Where would I go to read news like that on time? Any specific site or a thread here on GAF?
I basically want something that runs games well on 1920x1200/60hz and I'm kinda hoping that Ryse is going to be a good benchmark for other current-gen ports in the future. I'm not really expecting to run The Witcher 3 on max details and 60 fps, but 30 fps would be nice.
And there is this whole VR thing that excites me, because of sim racers ... But that's another year away.
michaelius
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300$ would be amazing but they wouldn't cut 770 price to 275$ if it was coming so low. I think that if we analyse the fact that 770 was reduced but 780/780ti officialy no we can deduct that 970/980 are replacing only 780 line.
But well if it's 300$ then I'm getting two
I'm still waiting to for a $300-$500 card that blows the performance of my SLI GTX670s out of the water I'll be waiting for couple more generations I think. With the advent of DX12, and it only bringing performance improvements to games that utilize it, I'm pretty sure my 670s will last for a long while (especially for playing high-end games at 1080p 60fps).
zephervack
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Vigilant Walrus
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I think AC Unity and GTA5 are going to push things. And if not, Witcher 3 will scream. Also the announcements of the Next Total War title should flex the muscles of the upgraders.
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