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[Z3M0G]

Wow reading this last couple pages makes me want to give Warframe more of a chance than the hour I put into it at PS4 launch...

Oh you would definitely want to do that now... the game has evolved big time!

Be sure to play the new prologue. (But keep in mind, if you old character still exists, you'll return to the old character after the prologue. You are not truly starting a new one.)

 

[nib95]

Don't worry, it's not like you can do that anyways. What would you do, walk around and send a fireteam invite to every person you see?

Lol, that's not what you need to do. You just hit option button to go in to your menu the moment you get in the tower, and everyone in there is on your roster tab. Sending invites, going through profiles etc, is as easy as pie, as is finding other players to play with.

 

[Two Words]

I'm a addictive Warframe player and Destiny is way way better than it... in every single point except maybe the Global Chat

PS. More guys missing the point of my reply lol it is about matchmaking... Warframe didn't do it too.

Warframe has a lot more interesting and diverse powers.

 

[syko de4d]

If you can't cull together 5 friends to play Destiny, you have social problems.

Just wait 3-4weeks.

And are you not bound to a Raid per weekly ID reset, WoW style? So you need 5 friends who are not raiding with other people already.

 

[Armaros]

I'm a addictive Warframe player and Destiny is way way better than it... in every single point except maybe the Global Chat

PS. More guys missing the point of my reply lol it is about matchmaking... Warframe didn't do it too.

And you still don't get it


Warframe has a public chat to recuit people, Destiny doesn't

 

[KingJolly]

The people from Bungie net are god dam so hilariously thick

Theres a thread saying how Destiny is original. I say in what way is it original. and they say and I quote.



"Ooooo you are so wrong - there is so much ORIGINAL writing in this game. Take for example the famous line

That wizzard came from the moon
or my new favourite
this one puts even Tolstoj to shame
"I dont have time to explain why I don't have time to explain"

that my friend is "Originality"
and you also need to be a brave developer to dare put things like this into a Destiny - star wars for the console new gen generation"

 

[Poodlestrike]

Lol, that's not what you need to do. You just hit option button to go in to your menu the moment you get in the tower, and everyone in there is on your roster tab. Sending invites, going through profiles etc, is as easy as pie, as is finding other players to play with.

That's, uh... that's just what he said? I mean, you're still just inviting people at random, but now you're doing it through a menu. Why would they be any more likely to respond, or stick around when they find out why you're forming a team?

 

[Altima]

Pretty sure nobody in this thread ever said "The problem with Destiny is that there is no grinding."

Grinding in Destiny is very fast compare to other MMO.

I got 100 of both Crucible and Vanguard mark easily.

I can buy 2 legendaries which are the best equipment in the game in only 5 days after the game released.

After that I only have to find upgrade material.

 

[Z3M0G]

Lol, that's not what you need to do. You just hit option button to go in to your menu the moment you get in the tower, and everyone in there is on your roster tab. Sending invites, going through profiles etc, is as easy as pie, as is finding other players to play with.

It's not the walking around part I'm truly referring to.

Do you really want people throwing invites around without first saying "Hi, wanna come on a 1-1.5 hour raid with us?", or "Anyone want to go on the raid?" ?

Though I believe during Beta we heard that the Rift (?) will have a social hub for end-game content... so this is likely where people will go with the expectation that, yes, they will spam invites to each other until groups of 6 are formed in the chaos.

 

[Kinthalis]

So...

This is basically a REALLY, REALLY polished early acces game, right?

 

[-tetsuo-]

Just wait 3-4weeks.

And are you not bound to a Raid per weekly ID reset, WoW style? So you need 5 friends who are not raiding with other people already.

This can't be true.

 

[Armaros]

That's, uh... that's just what he said? I mean, you're still just inviting people at random, but now you're doing it through a menu. Why would they be any more likely to respond, or stick around when they find out why you're forming a team?

And I am sure you can figure out if you want to group with someone or that someone is interested in doing strikes or raids from their profile /s

Isn't that how modern online games work? Randomly invite people just from their profile without ever speaking with them?

 

[Ape]

Don't worry, it's not like you can do that anyways. What would you do, walk around and send a fireteam invite to every person you see?

Yeah, I get those sometimes. Maybe it's because I have a girl avy idk.

 

[Two Words]

They need an area in the Tower where you can broadcast what you want to do. Make it so you can only select pre-made messages so you can avoid swearing.

 

[nib95]

Do you really want people throwing invites around without first saying "Hi, wanna come on a 1-1.5 hour raid with us?", or "Anyone want to go on the raid?" ?

Given you can be in and out of a Fireteam in like, 5 seconds, why not? Obviously a proximity voice option would be nice (though it could pose to be equally annoying), there are other options there besides just walking around R3'ing everybody.

 

[Pooya]

that my friend is "Originality"
and you also need to be a brave developer to dare put things like this into a Destiny - star wars for the console new gen generation"

well, Star Wars and cheesy bad quotes...

 

[RK9039]

Why not have a Noticeboard, like in Path of Exile, in the Tower?

 

[Two Words]

Given you can be in and out of a Fireteam in like, 5 seconds, why not? Obviously a proximity voice option would be nice (though it could pose to be equally annoying), there are other options there besides just walking around R3'ing everybody.

I guarantee if Bungie adds a public recruitment system, you will be saying it is a 100x better than the current method.

 

[Jobbs]

From VG247

EDIT : Beaten already!

The problem with Destiny is that it’s too much like Halo.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s not enough like Halo.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s just “Halo the MMO”. Nobody wants Halo. Nobody wants MMOs.

The problem with Destiny is that there’s too much grinding.

The problem with Destiny is that there’s no grinding.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s too hard.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s too easy.

The problem with Destiny is that there’s no difference between the classes.

The problem with Destiny is that you can’t play it solo.

The problem with Destiny is that you can play the whole story and even the Strikes solo.

The problem with Destiny is that “gamers” hate hubris, except when they don’t.

The problem with Destiny is that reviewers suffer the effects of post-hype disappointment as much as anybody else.

The problem with Destiny is that reviewers are terrified of their readers.

The problem with Destiny is that the words “objectivity” and “subjectivity” are being thrown around like people really understood what they meant.

The problem with Destiny is that “objective standards to judge what makes a good video game” don’t exist.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s just a generic shooter.

The problem with Destiny is all the stuff that’s not shooting.

The problem with Destiny is that nobody is listening to me.

oh please. this is silly. I've been bashing the game for days and it's for none of those reasons.

the problem with destiny is that there's almost nothing to it when it was touted as a sprawling, epic, super ambitious game, and it's none of those things. There's no content. You hit level 20 and there's nothing to do but the same 4 missions over and over and over and over and over and over.

That, and dozens of features that are inexplicably underbaked or conspicuously absent all together. The game is a mess and it's for none of the reasons listed there.

 

[-tetsuo-]

They need an area in the Tower where you can broadcast what you want to do. Make it so you can only select pre-made messages so you can avoid swearing.

I don't understand why there isn't a group board or something like even the F2P korean MMO's have. Just set up a game with what you want to do and people can check it and join up. So bad. Why Bungie. Why have you failed this game.

 

[nib95]

I guarantee if Bungie adds a public recruitment system, you will be saying it is a 100x better than the current method.

Of course. All I was saying is that going around R3'ing players is currently not the best way to party up with randoms.

 

[syko de4d]

This can't be true.

Maybe you can raid with others if you have a Raid ID but i am pretty sure you can only get loot one time per week per boss. If not people would farm the shit out of the Raid.

edit: but maybe you can farm the raid as much as you want per week. No idea, but nearly every MMO raid works like this.

 

[Vitor711]

Lol, that's not what you need to do. You just hit option button to go in to your menu the moment you get in the tower, and everyone in there is on your roster tab. Sending invites, going through profiles etc, is as easy as pie, as is finding other players to play with.

Except I shouldn't have to be booted into the generic PS4 invite screen.

Why the hell can't I just click options, hit invite to party and be done? Why is there one more step, where I have to manually choose between 'play destiny' and 'send'. Of course I want to send the invite, I JUST HIT THE BUTTON THAT SAYS INVITE TO FIRETEAM.

System is bad. Sure, that only adds another 5-10 seconds (due to the slow loading of the PS4 invite system), but it's just an example of a system that wasn't thought out well.

And don't get me started in the fact that I have to hold down buttons in order to do stuff i.e. summon bikes, end missions etc. Ugh. And fake mouse movement on a console game? What is this, 2004?

P.S. I'm level 22, and really like this game. But fuck me it has some basic gosh-darned issues that never should have made it into the final product.

 

[speculawyer]

Activision is down ~4.5% today. Ouch. The Destiny backlash hits. Bobby no happy.

 

[Armaros]

I don't understand why there isn't a group board or something like even the F2P korean MMO's have. Just set up a game with what you want to do and people can check it and join up. So bad. Why Bungie. Why have you failed this game.

Actually interacting with the community before you create a team with people breeds toxicity or something apparently.

Destiny shows that Bungie is sorts out of their depth when it comes to non lobby/server matchmaking online game genres. It's like they havent payed attention to how online games have evolved.

 

[HTupolev]

Given you can be in and out of a Fireteam in like, 5 seconds, why not?

What? When you join a fireteam in-game, you get kicked out and rejoin. It's a gigantic pain in the ass.

 

[Z3M0G]

They also probably don't see the benefit of having open text chat in the Tower because, after all, you are there with only 15 other people at capacity.

Though chat would run on a separate server system anyways... so you would likely be in a global chat, beyond just the tower instance you are currently in.

As long as there is zero form of trading (interesting this never comes up, personally I find it fine without trading), there should be no thread of shout spamming of the gold-farmer sort from MMOs.

 

[Alienous]

Click on the image to play video...

Exhibit A Showing that boss encounters, (all of the them) are all easy when solo, because they never switch targets, which is the only way to ever change their attack pattern. This is LV24 vs. LV22 Heroic Weekly Strike enemies. No one will rush me down because they are all tethered.

[

Exhibit B This is me playing LV24, vs. LV24 enemies. Heroic modifier and all. There is a tether here, pretty big one. This is an easy room to clear and enemies are refusing to rush me down whether I am low on health or low on ammo/reloading. They are the same level so this is exactly the same as being LV4 vs. LV4 enemies.

[

Exhibit C I am LV2, fighting LV3 enemies. They are more aggressive. This is why I first played in the beta. Still a tether, still no YOLO or rushing when I am low on ammo, just more confident enemies because I am lower level than them.



--

and finally, why Destiny having "more content" than Titanfall means fuck all in the grand scheme of things (this video was the show the power of the 40mm during dark times with us Titanbrehs)



While this was uploading, I finished the daily mission on a higher difficulty. It took a while but since all enemies died in 2-5 hits and the AI is garbage, I did it without getting hit...

Thanks for doing this.

The AI seems fairly smart (they certainly aren't static), but they don't seem any more aggressive with a difficulty increase. They also look easily exploitable.

 

[Synth]

Click on the image to play video...

Exhibit A Showing that boss encounters, (all of the them) are all easy when solo, because they never switch targets, which is the only way to ever change their attack pattern. This is LV24 vs. LV22 Heroic Weekly Strike enemies. No one will rush me down because they are all tethered.

[

Exhibit B This is me playing LV24, vs. LV24 enemies. Heroic modifier and all. There is a tether here, pretty big one. This is an easy room to clear and enemies are refusing to rush me down whether I am low on health or low on ammo/reloading. They are the same level so this is exactly the same as being LV4 vs. LV4 enemies.

[

Exhibit C I am LV2, fighting LV3 enemies. They are more aggressive. This is why I first played in the beta. Still a tether, still no YOLO or rushing when I am low on ammo, just more confident enemies because I am lower level than them.



--

and finally, why Destiny having "more content" than Titanfall means fuck all in the grand scheme of things (this video was the show the power of the 40mm during dark times with us Titanbrehs)



While this was uploading, I finished the daily mission on a higher difficulty. It took a while but since all enemies died in 2-5 hits and the AI is garbage, I did it without getting hit...

 

[Ninjician]

Just wait 3-4weeks.

And are you not bound to a Raid per weekly ID reset, WoW style? So you need 5 friends who are not raiding with other people already.

Try doing Endure on Halo ODST with randoms. Then maybe you'll understand.

And yeah, if you can't get 5 friends that play Destiny, either by meeting them online, or personally know them, to do a multi-hour long raid on an extremely high difficulty, then don't do the raid.

The Raid isn't going to be some social, easy-going matchmaking thing. Hell, even the Nightfall Strike is a pain in the ass without friends.

I'll say it again, if you can't arrange to get 5 other people together to play a few hours of Destiny, then you have social issues. It's not hard, at all.

 

[Cuphead]

I've been playing Warframe for a while. It's still way less polished but they release so many updates and it's just loaded with way more things to do and lots of events that hype up the community. I think this is the closest people will get to what they wanted out of Destiny (Unless you wanted a good story and little grinding). Next update they'll add hub world like the Tower too. You can also fly your ship on loading screens, in your face Destiny!

Sweet! I need to get back into this.

But please don't go around saying Destiny has a story.

 

[perfectsil]

when I'm playing solo I just stay near the entrance of the area and pick enemies off one by one, they never come chase me, only place this strategy doesn't work is the parts that you have to guard an area.

 

[Armaros]

Try doing Endure on Halo ODST with randoms. Then maybe you'll understand.

And yeah, if you can't get 5 friends that play Destiny, either by meeting them online, or personally know them, to do a multi-hour long raid on an extremely high difficulty, then don't do the raid.

The Raid isn't going to be some social, easy-going matchmaking thing. Hell, even the Nightfall Strike is a pain in the ass without friends.

I'll say it again, if you can't arrange to get 5 other people together to play a few hours of Destiny, then you have social issues. It's not hard, at all.

*Looks at the largest and most popular instance raid online game*

*looks at the plethora of social features ranging from matchmaking to public chat*

Hmm, I guess a majority of people playing WoW has social issues?

But no please, keep digging this hole at how people have social problems if they don't have 5 people ready to play Destiny exactly when they want to.

 

[Izuna]

I have friends on XBL, but unfortunately not all play Destiny. When I am matched with people in pub events and strikes, I never get to say anything to them and they disappear immediately.

None of us want to get into a chat because then we are forced to do what the other wants "go back tower, finish Bounty X etc." -- so we just uh... play and part ways.

We don't need to talk for strategy anyway since all there is to do is revive people in this game.

 

[Stone Ocean]

And yeah, if you can't get 5 friends that play Destiny, either by meeting them online, or personally know them, to do a multi-hour long raid on an extremely high difficulty, then don't do the raid.

I'll say it again, if you can't arrange to get 5 other people together to play a few hours of Destiny, then you have social issues. It's not hard, at all.

"You need to be this cool to play raids"

Fuck off with that assumption. A party finder is a staple in this type of game and not having such a thing is mind boggling.

 

[speculawyer]

Silly article.

From VG247

EDIT : Beaten already!

The problem with Destiny is that it’s too much like Halo.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s not enough like Halo.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s just “Halo the MMO”. Nobody wants Halo. Nobody wants MMOs.

The problem with Destiny is that there’s too much grinding.

The problem with Destiny is that there’s no grinding.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s too hard.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s too easy.

The problem with Destiny is that there’s no difference between the classes.

The problem with Destiny is that you can’t play it solo.

The problem with Destiny is that you can play the whole story and even the Strikes solo.

The problem with Destiny is that “gamers” hate hubris, except when they don’t.

The problem with Destiny is that reviewers suffer the effects of post-hype disappointment as much as anybody else.

The problem with Destiny is that reviewers are terrified of their readers.

The problem with Destiny is that the words “objectivity” and “subjectivity” are being thrown around like people really understood what they meant.

The problem with Destiny is that “objective standards to judge what makes a good video game” don’t exist.

The problem with Destiny is that it’s just a generic shooter.

The problem with Destiny is all the stuff that’s not shooting.

The problem with Destiny is that nobody is listening to me.

Of course there is always someone that will say whatever. But the bolded are the only complaints I've seen with frequency.

And it neglects to mention the things people have really complained about like: MMO stuff barely exists, repetitive missions, virtually no story, no social aspect, no clans, no matchmaking for many parts of it, etc.

 

[Ninjician]

"You need to be this cool to play raids"

Fuck off with that assumption. A party finder is a staple in this type of game and not having such a thing is mind boggling.

Go play Strikes, the Raid is not for you.

 

[BadWolf]

I'll say it again, if you can't arrange to get 5 other people together to play a few hours of Destiny, then you have social issues. It's not hard, at all.

What a load of shit.

 

[speculawyer]

Go play Strikes, the Raid is not for you.

He's just not cool enough.

 

[RK9039]

The Raid Redemption is just too cool for you.

 

[JCizzle]

"You need to be this cool to play raids"

Fuck off with that assumption. A party finder is a staple in this type of game and not having such a thing is mind boggling.

Sorry man, but since you don't have five friends with the exact schedule as you owning the exact same console with the same interests progressed the exact same amount in the game, then I think you just need to get a life and work on your undeveloped social skills.

 

[Izuna]

Go play Strikes, the Raid is not for you.

... Dude, you are horrible. The Raids are the only thing to look forward to in this game, and you're basically saying that unless you are able to find 5 other friends to play with at an exact time in Destiny, you're not allowed? The lack of match-making is hilariously idiotic.

You can't even ask to party up in the tower. All you can maybe do is go someone and dance so people know you wanna do it.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Go play Strikes, the Raid is not for you.

Man, I gotta say, if you've got some magical time-control device that lets you sync up 6 people's schedule's for more than an hour and a half GUARANTEED, then you gotta share that shit.

 

[speculawyer]

Try doing Endure on Halo ODST with randoms. Then maybe you'll understand.

And yeah, if you can't get 5 friends that play Destiny, either by meeting them online, or personally know them, to do a multi-hour long raid on an extremely high difficulty, then don't do the raid.

The Raid isn't going to be some social, easy-going matchmaking thing. Hell, even the Nightfall Strike is a pain in the ass without friends.

I'll say it again, if you can't arrange to get 5 other people together to play a few hours of Destiny, then you have social issues. It's not hard, at all.

In real life, if you can easily find 5 other people to do Destiny raids then you have social issues.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Hmm, I guess a majority of people playing WoW has social issues?

Have you ever been to a Blizzard convention?

 

[Alienous]

... Dude, you are horrible. The Raids are the only thing to look forward to in this game, and you're basically saying that unless you are able to find 5 other friends to play with at an exact time in Destiny, you're not allowed? The lack of match-making is hilariously idiotic.

You can't even ask to party up in the tower. All you can maybe do is go someone and dance so people know you wanna do it.

It's insane to me that they haven't made it simpler. You should be able to scout out players, and their gear, and easily invite them to a Raid from the tower.

 

[Armaros]

Go play Strikes, the Raid is not for you.

It's also probably not for the busy game reviewers that Bungie were complaining tfor not waiting for the Raid before releasing the reviews.

 

[Izuna]

In real life, if you can easily find 5 other people to do Destiny raids then you have social issues.

hahaha

 

[Ninjician]

It's insane to me that they haven't made it simpler. You should be able to scout out players, and their gear, and easily invite them to a Raid from the tower.

View Profile, Send Friend Request.

OH MY GOSH THE HASSLE.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

You can't even ask to party up in the tower. All you can maybe do is go someone and dance so people know you wanna do it.

Isn't that how the clubbing scene works? Destiny is a real-life club simulation.