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[Smiles and Cries]

The cop didn't mention them being prostitution suspect at all in the audio obtained by TMZ, I think she and her boyfriend just assume that's the case.

She was never told she was under suspicion of prostitution? But the reality is, if she was having sex in public, she already knows what she was doing was illegal. Or at least I would hope so? I guess I shouldn't assume someone knows what is legal and not illegal.

well the thread title needs a fix but my statement still stands as what she was reacting to, is cops being called on her, and being asked for ID.

Only our assumptions can come up with what the acts were in public. Not really sure what proof a cop would need to make her public acts stick though.

I don't really understand how a phone call is enough if you cannot catch the act taking place. So I am a bit lost on how the law plays out here.

 

[mantidor]

You really don't need an ID card when the police ask you for identification when it's warranted. But you do need to give a truthful answer, and they're going to expect you to stay put until they can verify it.

Oh well this does make more sense. In Colombia not having your ID is actually illegal and police can detain you on the spot, then again we do have a lot of problems but it's a far cry from Nazi Germany.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

I really don't want to hijack this thread as I think we should continue this in the other thread.. But I really think it's too early to make a judgement call on that case

ok

 

[SmokeMaxX]

Well what do you expect when you have posts like these:

What you may not realize is that most people don't really care about "facts" and being "unbiased" until a black person is a victim. If there's a story about a black person doing a heinous crime on the news are you saying to yourself "Well let's wait and see. Let all the fact's come out". No. You're not. Black people are always assumed the criminal, the perp, the drug user, the trouble maker.

There are certain stories that people have an automatic response to. I doubt that you have a wait and see approach to EVERY news story that's posted on this board.

If there's a story about a guy brutally raping a girl you're not going to say to yourself, "Hmmm....let's wait and see until all the facts come out."

And if so you shouldn't feel proud of yourself when you condemn all the others who didn't wait and see to see if some innocent white girl was really raped or not. You shouldn't feel proud or persecuted just because a few times the guy was actually wrongfully accused. If you constantly did that with rape threads people would think you have an agenda and rightfully so. This is a discussion forum where we discuss news. Like I said, 10 pages of "Lets wait and see" is not a discussion.

I'm a bit confused. If I'm understanding correctly, you just compared African Americans to rapists?

You just said that it's an issue when people refuse to wait and see when African Americans are accused of crimes. However, you also just said that if people ask to wait and see in threads where people are accused of rapes, they'd have an agenda.

Are you pro-"wait and see" are anti-"wait and see"? You seem to be on both sides of the fence.

Spoiler

To be honest, they're two completely separate issues that shouldn't even be grouped together and used in the same argument. Generally when African Americans are in some vague situation, there's little proof one way or the other and people still have negative feelings towards them whereas there's usually proof when someone's accused of rape- thus why we shouldn't "wait and see" at the same frequency in both situations.

 

[Calamari41]

You don't seem to understand what the police's job is. They don't need proof, their job is to find proof either way in a case like this. And verifying the identity of the people involved is obviously part of that.

Assume somebody breaks into your home and is still there. You call the cops, by the time they arrive the burglar is outside loading your stuff in his car. Do the cops have proof that the dude actually broke in and that it's your stuff he's happily stowing away? Of course not, so I guess they should just let him go? Maybe lend him a hand, too - and arrest you for wasting their time.

Exactly. If the police needed a video of someone committing a crime before they could stop them and talk to them, it would be pretty damn easy to get away with pretty much anything.

well the thread title needs a fix but my statement still stands as what she was reacting to, is cops being called on her, and being asked for ID. And again, given the demeanor of the cops that you can glean from the audio, it's pretty apparent that this was going to be an "ok just cut it out" stop before she started going HAM.

Only our assumptions can come up with what the acts were in public. Not really sure what proof a cop would need to make her public acts stick though.

I don't really understand how a phone call is enough if you cannot catch the act taking place. So I am a bit lost on how the law plays out here.

I would imagine that it was the (alleged) multiple calls telling the same story that led them to believe that there really was something going on.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Eye witnesses said that they had sex with an open door. So if that's true, she certainly knew what was up. There is of course still the possibility that they just kissed very heated and passersbys had the wrong idea.

Apparently the police received multiple calls that they were having full-on sex, not just kissing. That's definitely illegal to do in public.

She was never told she was under suspicion of prostitution? But the reality is, if she was having sex in public, she already knows what she was doing was illegal. Or at least I would hope so? I guess I shouldn't assume someone knows what is legal and not illegal.

EDIT: I should point out, it's what eyewitness's claim they saw.

Ok, this is different so how does the law work, when eye-witnesses say they saw something as full-blown public sex acts?

Is witnesses enough? If so why just ID and not charge them with a crime?

Was the male also being charged with something?

 

[Chariot]

Ok, this is different so how does the law work, when eye-witnesses say they was something as full-blown public sex acts?

Is witnesses enough? If so why just ID and not charge them with a crime?

Was the male also being charged with something?

Witnesses are enough to call the police, so they can confirm the issue. That's why they arrived and asked for her ID. Mrs Watts just escalated the situation within seconds into a race debate.

 

[Jado]

Well what do you expect when you have posts like these:

What you may not realize is that most people don't really care about "facts" and being "unbiased" until a black person is a victim. If there's a story about a black person doing a heinous crime on the news are you saying to yourself "Well let's wait and see. Let all the fact's come out". No. You're not. Black people are always assumed the criminal, the perp, the drug user, the trouble maker.

There are certain stories that people have an automatic response to. I doubt that you have a wait and see approach to EVERY news story that's posted on this board.

If there's a story about a guy brutally raping a girl you're not going to say to yourself, "Hmmm....let's wait and see until all the facts come out."

And if so you shouldn't feel proud of yourself when you condemn all the others who didn't wait and see to see if some innocent white girl was really raped or not. You shouldn't feel proud or persecuted just because a few times the guy was actually wrongfully accused. If you constantly did that with rape threads people would think you have an agenda and rightfully so. This is a discussion forum where we discuss news. Like I said, 10 pages of "Lets wait and see" is not a discussion.

This. I've grown against jumping to conclusions and for that reason support cops having body cameras so any ambiguity is eliminated. But on the opposite side, you always get the usual agenda-fueled narrative in the expected threads. If these people had the same supposed rational thought process across all threads, maybe they wouldn't get so much criticism. In reality, they only appear out of the woodwork with their sentiments of doubt when it's about a woman getting assaulted or about something criminal involving a black person (either as victim or the criminal). It just seems so transparent.

I thought this story seemed odd so I gave it a wait-and-see approach (there have been a few that turned out that way in the past year or so). Really fucked up that she had to be opportunistic and latch on to what's been happening recently in the media involving cops and do this. Especially if it's confirmed that she really was engaged in sex acts in public.

 

[Calamari41]

Ok, this is different so how does the law work, when eye-witnesses say they was something as full-blown public sex acts?

Is witnesses enough? If so why just ID and not charge them with a crime?

Was the male also being charged with something?

I'm not sure of the exact SOP in a situation like this. As I posted before, I've seen a ton of stops like this happen to all races, and they all have amounted to the cop checking the ID, asking some basic questions about the calls they received, and telling them to knock it off. I would imagine that the ID thing is to see if this is the fifth time they've had to come tell someone to stop fucking in the parking lot.

It should also be noted that she started walking away from the cops while she was legally detained, which is one of the main things that escalated the situation. You absolutely cannot do that, no matter what.

 

[Mononoke]

Ok, this is different so how does the law work, when eye-witnesses say they was something as full-blown public sex acts?

Is witnesses enough? If so why just ID and not charge them with a crime?

Was the male also being charged with something?

I don't think the cop was there to charge them with anything. He was probably just asking for ID to talk to them, and then would have told them that if they WERE doing lewd acts, to knock it off.

She made matters worse by freaking out, and that's why it ended up where it is.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

Ok, this is different so how does the law work, when eye-witnesses say they saw something as full-blown public sex acts?

Is witnesses enough? If so why just ID and not charge them with a crime?

Was the male also being charged with something?

The report said that the male suspect had a nice cordial conversation with the police officers on the side. It doesn't say one way or the other, but the assumption is that he readily showed his ID and didn't appear to try to run away like she did (why she was detained).

 

[Lan Dong Mik]

This Thread title needs to be updated. The cops were completely reasonable and were just doing their job. She was acting like a defiant child. There were witnesses according to tmz saying she was fuckin her dude in the front seat of car with the door wide open. Pretty stupid.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Feel like Coco played some of us hard, cot damn.

How sad is it that a lot of us found her story completely believable before the audio came out though

 

[Mononoke]

Feel like Coco played some of us hard, cot damn.

How sad is it that a lot of us found her story completely believable before the audio came out though

Speaks to the mistrust people have in law enforcement, as well as the perception of racism today.

 

[wsippel]

Ok, this is different so how does the law work, when eye-witnesses say they was something as full-blown public sex acts?

Is witnesses enough? If so why just ID and not charge them with a crime?

Was the male also being charged with something?

I assume it's the same thing as in Germany: The police doesn't charge people. They collect information, including the identities of the people involved, and hand it to the state attorney. And the attorney will decide whether or not there's enough evidence to actually do something.

But sure, witnesses can be enough. If the witnesses are more believable than the suspects. If you have similar or identical statements by multiple unrelated witnesses for example.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Witnesses are enough to call the police, so they can confirm the issue. That's why they arrived and asked for her ID. Mrs Watts just escalated the situation within seconds into a race debate.

Again, I think her status as a celebrity had more to do with her reaction than her race.
I'll have to ask my girlfriend later how she would have reacted to this.

I think most black women would still be pissed, but not sure if they would have escalated the issue.

her CNN video shows how much her status motivated the reaction, http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/15/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[DoktorEvil]

Feel like Coco played some of us hard, cot damn.

How sad is it that a lot of us found her story completely believable before the audio came out though

To be honest, her story became overblown when she took to social media and cried wolf on racial injustice.

Variety ran a story with only one side of the tale(her side) and it was written in a sloppy way. If her claim of using her publicist was valid, it stands to reason her publicist fed this information to Variety and they ran with it.

I had more questions than answers based on the sole article.

But TMZ finding audio and more information before Variety? I didn't expect that.

I don't think the two problems are synonymous or at all equatable. Denying racism and subtly never giving blacks the benefit of the doubt is a more toxic mentality and it's much more rampant than what you said certain posters are doing.

Fair enough, but how is someone's opinion of any news event doing anything close to that? It's an opinion, however ignorant it may be.

But I don't wish to derail, as you have a very good point.

 

[Mononoke]

Again, I think her status as a celebrity had more to do with her reaction than her race.
I'll have to ask my girlfriend later how she would have reacted to this.

I think most black women would still be pissed, but not sure if they would have escalated the issue.

her CNN video shows how much her status motivated the reaction, http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/15/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

But if she really was having sex in public (let's say the eyewitness were right), does she really have the right to act that way when an officer is questioning you? I dunno. I guess the question is, if you were approached by police and asked questions (when you were innocent)....

I mean what if an eyewitness calls, and cops are just doing their job (they aren't going out of there way to harass you, someone told them you were doing something you weren't). If the cop explained someone called, and needed to talk to you, does that more them asking for ID more reasonable (vs them just randomly coming up to you and demanding it).

 

[Dash27]

No one's calling those people racists. And that's fine and dandy but people choose what facts they want to believe and what facts they don't.

In all the threads where who you are is made a factor, race, sex, sexuality, religion, whatever.... if you side with the majority you get accused of the appropriate -ism. All sides of the issue jump the gun before any facts come out. This is why events are spun into narratives early. People pick sides based on pre-formed biases, and then will doggedly stick to it no matter what the evidence is. It's really very predictable and I'm sure people who go into these threads all realize it too.

And like I said, people only care about facts when blacks are victims. Otherwise everyone is happy to form an immediate opinion on a situation without waiting and seeing. Black people are never given the benefit of the doubt.

Well sure, everyone is racist. Obviously.

 

[Calamari41]

But if she really was having sex in public (let's say the eyewitness were right), does she really have the right to act that way when an officer is questioning you? I dunno.

No, nobody does.

 

[Mononoke]

No, nobody does.

I edited my post. But I feel like, if someone called the cops on you and even if you were innocent, if the cop told you the situation and was just trying to talk to you and access the situation, I don't see why being asked for an ID would warrant getting belligerent with them. I could, understand being upset that you are being accused of doing something you didn't do (not by the cops, but by whoever called them on you).

But in this situation, I feel like they are just doing their jobs vs. a random encounter where they are demanding your ID. The situations feel different to me.

EDIT: I'm not talking about this case specifically, just saying in general.

 

[Chariot]

Again, I think her status as a celebrity had more to do with her reaction than her race.
I'll have to ask my girlfriend later how she would have reacted to this.

I think most black women would still be pissed, but not sure if they would have escalated the issue.

her CNN video shows how much her status motivated the reaction, http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/15/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

She clearly says after she tried her father and boyfriend:

Watts: "Do you know how many times I'm being called... the cops being called for being black? Just because we're black?"

[...]

Cop: "Who brought up the race card?"
Watts: "I bringing it up because I'm... the free right to be here"

She clearly brought race deliberately into this.

 

[Calamari41]

I edited my post. But I feel like, if someone called the cops on you and even if you were innocent, if the cop told you the situation and was just trying to talk to you and access the situation, I don't see why being asked for an ID would warrant getting belligerent with them. I could, understand being upset that you are being accused of doing something you didn't do (not by the cops, but by whoever called them on you).

But in this situation, I feel like they are just doing their jobs vs. a random encounter where they are demanding your ID. The situations feel different to me.

EDIT: I'm not talking about this case specifically, just saying in general.

You're absolutely right. Even if you are innocent, if they have reasonable suspicion that you are the person they're looking for and stop you, you can't tell them to fuck off and start walking away.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I edited my post. But I feel like, if someone called the cops on you and even if you were innocent, if the cop told you the situation and was just trying to talk to you and access the situation, I don't see why being asked for an ID would warrant getting belligerent with them. I could, understand being upset that you are being accused of doing something you didn't do (not by the cops, but by whoever called them on you).

But in this situation, I feel like they are just doing their jobs vs. a random encounter where they are demanding your ID. The situations feel different to me.

EDIT: I'm not talking about this case specifically, just saying in general.

In this case, they were doing their job properly based on a call reporting lewd acts in public, which now makes sense why prostitution was mentioned.

Not every case is like this however. Stop and Frisk is real. It still exists in NYC.

If trends indicate that there are more negative police experiences than positive, then there is a institutional problem between how police talk and deal with civilians.

 

[Mononoke]

In this case, they were doing their job properly based on a call reporting lewd acts in public, which now makes sense why prostitution was mentioned.

Not every case is like this however. Stop and Frisk is real. It still exists in NYC.

If trends indicate that there are more negative police experiences that positive, then there is a institutional problem between how police talk and deal with civilians.

Yeah. I just meant context matters. But yeah, stop and frisk is awful. So is police harassment in general. Another issue I think, is that some cops are too aggressive (even when they are doing their jobs right). Unless the person they are approaching is acting threatening, I feel like sometimes they make the situation more tense than it needs to be by thier interaction with the suspect. So the person getting angry is a direct result of the officer making the situation worse by being threatening.

I remember when I was younger, I was pulled over for not having my seat belt on (I usually wear one, but I was driving just 5 min from my place, and was lazy). And the cop was a real asshole, the way he talked to me was really agressive and it was pretty scary. And it was just for a seat belt violation. Like damn.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

But if she really was having sex in public (let's say the eyewitness were right), does she really have the right to act that way when an officer is questioning you? I dunno. I guess the question is, if you were approached by police and asked questions (when you were innocent)....

I mean what if an eyewitness calls, and cops are just doing their job (they aren't going out of there way to harass you, someone told them you were doing something you weren't). If the cop explained someone called, and needed to talk to you, does that more them asking for ID more reasonable (vs them just randomly coming up to you and demanding it).

well maybe TMZ will get the sex act video, you never know everyone has cellphones these days

this whole thing might end up looking worst

 

[Mononoke]

well maybe TMZ will get the sex act video, you never know everyone has cellphones these days

this whole thing might end up looking worst

Well regardless if she committed the act or not, do you think it was unreasonable for the cops to go out there and talk to them based on people calling the police on them? Really, this thing only escalated because she flipped out and threw a tantrum. They were pretty calm and explained why they were talking to them (because they were called out there). They weren't going out there to arrest them or detain them. They were just accessing the situation because they were called. There wasn't evidence to arrest them, so they would have just walked away after having a brief chat with them. She was only detained after she refused to talk to them.

Like let's say a video surfaced showing they weren't having sex. Does it still make their response to a call unreasonable? I don't think so.

 

[Calamari41]

well maybe TMZ will get the sex act video, you never know everyone has cellphones these days

this whole thing might end up looking worst

Now that you mention it, I am actually kind of surprised that someone didn't get it on video.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

She clearly says after she tried her father and boyfriend:

Watts: "Do you know how many times I'm being called... the cops being called for being black? Just because we're black?"

[...]

Cop: "Who brought up the race card?"
Watts: "I bringing it up because I'm... the free right to be here"

She clearly brought race deliberately into this.

and what I am saying is, she seems to be using race for publicity getting herself on TMZ and CNN is good for celebrities. She clearly said because of her status it is her right to stand up for the rights of others who are not in her position in the CNN interview.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Now that you mention it, I am actually kind of surprised that someone didn't get it on video.

Someone will(anonymously) leak the footage somewhere.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Well regardless if she committed the act or not, do you think it was unreasonable for the cops to go out there and talk to them based on people calling the police on them? Really, this thing only escalated because she flipped out and through a tantrum. They were pretty calm and explained why they were talking to them (because they were called out there). They weren't going out there to arrest them or detain them. They were just accessing the situation because they were called. There wasn't evidence to arrest them, so they would have just walked away after having a brief chat with them. She was only detained after she refused to talk to them.

Like let's say a video surfaced showing they weren't having sex. Does it still make their response to a call unreasonable? I don't think so.

I think police have a job to do, they are needed most of the public make it very difficult for them when calls are made, I expect most people in Hollywood to behave exactly how she reacted tho.

 

[spwolf]

She clearly says after she tried her father and boyfriend:

Watts: "Do you know how many times I'm being called... the cops being called for being black? Just because we're black?"

[...]

Cop: "Who brought up the race card?"
Watts: "I bringing it up because I'm... the free right to be here"

She clearly brought race deliberately into this.

well, her behaviour is really despicable - calling her dad to fix the issue, then threating with the publicist and PR nightmare because cop is asking for her ID. And the worst part was her behaviour after everything where they claimed they were ID for kissing and claimed racial abuse.

"I am on phone with my father! my father!"

lol. She seems really spoiled.

 

[Calamari41]

I think police have a job to do, they are needed most of the public make it very difficult for them when calls are made, I expect most people in Hollywood to behave exactly how she reacted tho.

For sure. It seems like any time there's some DUI tape from some celebrity, it's riddled with "Do you even know who I am?" variants.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

^ agreed

well, her behaviour is really despicable - calling her dad to fix the issue, then threating with the publicist and PR nightmare because cop is asking for her ID. And the worst part was her behaviour after everything where they claimed they were ID for kissing and claimed racial abuse.

"I am on phone with my father! my father!"

lol. She seems really spoiled.

She was already on the phone with her dad when the police showed up, on CNN she said something about her step-mom being sick. So the only thing she did with the phone that was strange was offering the phone to the cop and then putting it on speaker mode. Yeah she does come off bratty. So again I think if a video is out there of the acts it might be really damaging for her later.

 

[Winter John]

Being a cop must be a shitty job. At least the cop had a recording to back him up, otherwise I expect he'd have been hauled in front of his bosses. Still, imagine all the hassle he's gone through in the last 24hrs. I hope this actress has the decency to apologise to him for her behaviour.

 

[spwolf]

She was already on the phone with her dad when the police showed up, on CNN she said something about her step-mom being sick. So the only thing she did with the phone that was strange was offering the phone to the cop and then putting it on speaker mode. Yeah she does come off bratty. So again I think if a video is out there of the acts it might be really damaging for her later.

she was threatening the cops with her dad and her publicist, later then she called him racist. Cops were professional and it is really shitty that they have to deal with spoiled hollywood stars like this.

Listening the tape, it is really sad that all of us (me included) thought the cops did something wrong... for god sake she is 31, she comes off like a rich spoiled kid that goes to highschool.

"I serve freedom and love and you serve detainment"

 

[Chariot]

and what I am saying is, she seems to be using race for publicity getting herself on TMZ and CNN is good for celebrities. She clearly said because of her status it is her right to stand up for the rights of others who are not in her position in the CNN interview.

Yes, I missed the point of your post. You're totally right. The end of the interview made it quiet clear, that she had deliberately escalated the situation to become a hero and saw herself entitled to just provoke the police because she can.

 

[Calamari41]

she was threatening the cops with her dad and her publicist, later then she called him racist. Cops were professional and it is really shitty that they have to deal with spoiled hollywood stars like this.

Listening the tape, it is really sad that all of us (me included) thought the cops did something wrong... for god sake she is 31, she comes off like a rich spoiled kid that goes to highschool.

"I serve freedom and love and you serve detainment"

Yeah, she basically laid out her plan to the cops and followed through with it. It was working like a charm until this audio came out.

 

[Mononoke]

Yeah, she basically laid out her plan to the cops and followed through with it. It was working like a charm until this audio came out.

Well, if her intention was to do that, I think she's really shameful, especially to those that ARE abused by racial profiling and harassment. The real victims etc.

 

[commedieu]

You are ruining shit for us.

This one will now be used as "see???? racism in the world isn't real! We always have to wait for all the facts!"

Thanks a fuck ton. The sad part is that the narrative happens often to folks, as many have said. But now, with this, this will surely be cited as more of the standard situation with complaints against the PD. (in the face of all the data otherwise) The folks who just showed up during this revelation will forever have it in their pockets for all of these threads in the future.

This is as bad as that dude in ferguson calling the cops pigs and claiming they were all murderers. Of all times to pull this bullshit.

 

[bishoptl]

Throw the book at her.

 

[Chariot]

You are ruining shit for us.

This one will now be used as "see???? racism in the world isn't real! We always have to wait for all the facts!"

Thanks a fuck ton.

Please, just agree in such a case that Mrs Watts was wrong and be done with it. This is a case where people jumped to harsh on the police, but that doesn't change that there is a general problem that has to be fixed. If anyone would use this single case as an argument he might as well say: "well, there was a black arrested in my neighborhood and he indeed robbed the store.". And he maybe did. Blacks aren't saints, black aren't devils, blacks are people. Like everybody else, with all the virtues and sins. The problem lies visibly in society and can't be diminished by this case.

 

[Imperial Hot]

The cop kind of sounds like H. Jon Benjamin.

 

[Shouta]

Throw the book at her.

But scripts aren't very heavy. We need dictionaries.

On the thread itself, I haven't heard the audio but if it's true, it makes her look really silly. Sounds like the police were doing the job required of them, investigating reports from the public, and just got an earful. A little understandable of Watts to be apprehensive considering all that's gone on in the last few months but it sounds like she decided to do whatever she wanted.

Also stop-and-identify laws don't seem to exist in Cali so one can refuse to show ID. So she was well within her right to do so. I wonder how that works considering eyewitness reports from the public though.

 

[spwolf]

The cop kind of sounds like H. Jon Benjamin.

Cop handled this way, way better than most of us would. What a shitty job. I wonder how he manages to stay so calm, yoga, medications or just built like that.

Or maybe he just found it all absurd like I would if some of the kids are throwing tantrum for no reason at all.

 

[Calamari41]

Cop handled this way, way better than most of us would. What a shitty job. I wonder how he manages to stay so calm, yoga, medications or just built like that.

Or maybe he just found it all absurd like I would if some of the kids are throwing tantrum for no reason at all.

Honestly, he probably deals with people like that all day. I would imagine he is used to it.

 

[commedieu]

Please, just agree in such a case that Mrs Watts was wrong and be done with it. This is a case where people jumped to harsh on the police, but that doesn't change that there is a general problem that has to be fixed. If anyone would use this single case as an argument he might as well say: "well, there was a black arrested in my neighborhood and he indeed robbed the store.". And he maybe did. Blacks aren't saints, black aren't devils, blacks are people. Like everybody else, with all the virtues and sins. The problem lies visibly in society and can't be diminished by this case.

If sense was the word of the day I wouldn't feel the fear from knowing how people generally treat blacks as a single conscience being. People with attitudes that hover around Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton representing an entire group, do end up on juries, making laws, being police, etc. I know what you're saying, and it is common sense. However common sense isn't abundant in America. People judge things based on nonsense mostly, media spin and agenda. Things like this only serve to contaminate the issue. She is a jackass for this one. And it has bigger social/media ramifications. The tragedy is that this does happen, it is a problem. But it will definitely be diluted. Its not like its a learning lesson for how to view police as we have a constant stream other stories flooding in about shooting unarmed people still, and beating homeless women. That doesn't change much, but there seems to be momentum at least around the issue now. Just a real shame. Bad timing.

 

[Mercury Fred]

"Daddy, they don't want to talk to you!"

Wow, she sounds like a fucking asshole. I hope this harpoons her career.

 

[Mononoke]

"Daddy, they don't want to talk to you!"

Wow, she sounds like a fucking asshole. I hope this harpoons her career.

How would a cop even respond to that anyways. Uh..yeah let me see that phone so I can talk to someone that isn't involved in this situation. Why would anyone think this is acceptable behavior.

 

[Mesoian]

The only thing I'll say is that this is yet another great reason for cops to wear lapel cameras.