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i was actuly gonna say something about this a couple of days ago but i saw everyone jumping on other people so fast.
i feel vindicated somehow.
i feel vindicated somehow.
Actress Daniele Watts reported for lewd acts, goes nuts at police investigating
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Deaf Spacker
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What a suprise, another celebrity coming across as a self entitled moron.
Correct, but you still have to give a name/identify yourself in a case like this.
DoktorEvil
Banned
#notallcelebrities
I was joking, but now that you mention it, I'm surprised this story took a 180 against Ms. Watts, considering I'm led to believe that it was her publicist who sent the story to Variety.
Deaf Spacker
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I didn't say every celebrity, it's just every time something comes out about a celebrity doing something moronic I'm not surprised.
Especially if it's Beiber.
Do you not agree that we should get all the facts in every case before making generalizing statements about any party? The police or the other party involved?
Should? Sure.
But ain't nobody got time for that. Especially the press or the media.
We can only operate with the information available to us at the time. If we sat I'm every thread and said "let's wait till all the facts come out before commenting then nothing will ever be discussed.
I just noticed Sorian has been unbanned.
DoktorEvil
Banned
I agree, but at the same time we could do with less of this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129917588&postcount=16
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129917609&postcount=17
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130109933&postcount=747
We should be able to discuss topics on hand, whether we agree or don't agree, and if non-opinioned, be able to explain why.
But posts like this are snarky shit that don't contribute anything, especially jamessinclair.
It's not the first time he interjected his "Hitler's America" bullshit.
I really wish they would besides go for the immediate clicks.
People, especially here on GAF want so much to attack the police in every situation possible without even having all the facts. It's cool to just hop on the "Fuck Cops" bandwagon. I want more than anything for all cops to have cameras with them at all times. The majority of police, despite what some of you think around here are great people just doing their jobs and sacrificing their lives for us on a daily basis. Once we can get these cameras in place we can really root out the bad ones from the force and we will all be better for it.
In this case, that audio tells me all I need to know about the encounter. She was completely in the wrong.
A genuine person, who really needs "all the facts" I have no issue with. But the people that will have 9000 verifiable things counter to a persons actions/statement, and are still waiting out the facts, is the person that will throw shade on.
All the facts is used as a guise to not discuss the reality of the situation on the ground, and the fact-facts are generally ignored while the media-spin is regurgitated as fact and decisions/Donations are made that way. You can generalize nationwide police abuse, because there is a general abuse of police force nation wide, disproportionately targeted towards minorities. The flow of horrible police abuse news sort of drowns out any calls for any less pressure on the PD to wear cameras nation wide. Its a win win scenario. And this is a great example for why police should be for it as well.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
I understand your point.. But when discussing a specific case.. Shouldn't facts be the primary discussion leader?
On a macro level, I agree that you can't have the all the facts argument..
I think it depends on the context of the thread
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
Well, this certainly alters my position on the situation.
I agree with everything you stated 100%. It just makes me sad to see that some people REALLY think that every single cop is just out to get them when that is so far from the truth.
The lapel cameras need to happen right away, it would help everyone in the long run.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Well this certainly changes things. Was going to edit the OP but noticed a mod already included the tmz recording. I'll admit I was quick to believe the original story based on the history of prejudice that's been occurring (or covered more) recently. I'm glad the officers recorded the encounter. What a scuzzy opportunist (Watts).
A better thing to do instead of throwing shade or ridiculing someone for taking this stance, is to ask them to elaborate. If they refuse to do so (if it's a drive by post, or they are just saying it to say it)...then I can understand. I feel like we shouldn't jump to conclusions with our fellow posters on here though. Unless they have a reputation of being contrarian just to be contrarian (or do this to be dismissive). Just how I feel though.
I personally, always elaborate when I don't agree with something. But I know not everyone does this. But I guess I don't really see a problem with some reacting with "Wait till the facts are out" when it's no different than someone saying "this is racism, it's disgusting". Both are reaction/commentary that don't necessarily elaborate beyond someone making a personal statement of how they feel. So why is one acceptable, and the other isn't?
Deaf Spacker
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I know you were joking, it's all good.
Mercury Fred
Banned
It's just gross and annoying. Police brutality and racial profiling is too real and stunts like this just muddy the waters and give power abuser apologists grist for their mills.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Completely agreed.
I haven't had the chance to listen to this audio, but she sounds like she flew off the handle. Absurd and unnecessary. What upsets me about this is that it cast a shadow once again over legit issues of injustice and race from the police department. People like her make it so much easier for those that want to sweep it under the rug to treat any claims of racial discrimination as "crying wolf." It's really unfortunate, and frustrating.
Trying to use her celebrity(?) status to curry favor is beyond obnoxious. As someone who lives in LA, I have dealt with my fair share of people like that during my customer service days.
Racism and racial profiling very much plays a part in a lot of situations like this, but she just made it that much easier for the real instances to be swept aside like usual. Assuming she was a prostitute is wrong either way (I'd assume anybody making out in a car, or having sex in a car, could be an amorous couple unless proven otherwise). I don't know. But her behavior was just typical over the top LA posturing. So obnoxious.
Trying to use her celebrity(?) status to curry favor is beyond obnoxious. As someone who lives in LA, I have dealt with my fair share of people like that during my customer service days.
Racism and racial profiling very much plays a part in a lot of situations like this, but she just made it that much easier for the real instances to be swept aside like usual. Assuming she was a prostitute is wrong either way (I'd assume anybody making out in a car, or having sex in a car, could be an amorous couple unless proven otherwise). I don't know. But her behavior was just typical over the top LA posturing. So obnoxious.
BruiserBear
Banned
Yeah, I watched the CNN interview of this earlier. Her reactions to this were so juvenile. She could have just explained the situation and been on her way, but she made a scene out of it. She claims the entire thing was about race, when there is no evidence to suggest that is true at all.
The worst thing was that the CNN interviewer went very easy on her, and I honestly think it was because she's making it about race. Most people aren't going to challenge you on that.
Calamari41
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I would imagine that she also lied to her publicist, and didn't realize that the whole encounter was recorded. She probably thought that the only media to come out of it would be the dramatic picture that her boyfriend/husband/whoever it was took.
Indrid Cold1
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Lol at the title change and first few pages of this thread.
DoktorEvil
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Which makes the whole CNN/Social Media interview and tour look so foolish in retrospect.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
I bet the sex was off the chain though.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
There really isn't any elaboration to be had on "wait for all the facts." That's kind of the point, it's used to try and stifle discussion not to encourage further discussion.
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Deleted member 1235
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"worth it"
Eh I guess. I personally have no issue with someone saying this though to begin with. I would either just not respond to the person or I would agree or disagree and explain why (if I think there were enough facts already). I can see your point about it not being open to discussion at the current time. But you can have this view for making judgements and still be open to discussion/speculation. Waiting for facts isn't always about cutting off all discussion. It can sometimes be about differentiating between judgement and speculation. I guess it's how someone uses it though.
Or maybe I'm just wrong. Oh well. Guess I'll stop talking about it.
Yes, he was briefly banned, but is now back after the new info hit.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=129923018#post129923018
People gave him a lot of shit just for pointing out that we only knew half of the story.
She stated in that CNN interview, that she knew she could've resolved the situation easily, but stayed hard headed on purpose to make a point for black people, because she saw herself in the position of being a hero by resisting.
DoktorEvil
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Byakuya769
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Dumbass.
Dubbmobile
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In advance this is not meant as any disrespect to anyone in this thread. Just needed an outlet to say something and decided to post here since I cannot post threads yet.
All of these police incident threads in the news and to some extent on social media are really starting to become depressing. Not just the situations themselves but in how people discuss and address them.
I now find myself wondering how to approach a situation if something discriminatory were to happen to myself or someone I cared about. I used to believe that I should speak my mind as to what happened but now I'm not so sure anymore. Seems there is a very loud group of people that think it's all overreactions and it's frustrating to think about.
I can admit I often find myself (like many others) quick to jump to a certain conclusion based on whatever facts are available and ready at the time, I think this is kinda normal though for any person. I just more often than not keep quiet about such opinions as to not jump the gun. However considering that, I am glad there are those who are very loud and vocal about their opinions regarding these issues who speak for those that are too silent to despite the opposition. I often wonder how far the George Zimmerman case would have even gotten if there was not a loud group of people saying that an injustice had transpired or maybe what the Mike Brown case would be without that same group speaking for the alleged wrong doings in that case as well.
It's all so hard to judge because in a really weird way I think we need both types of people. You cant always wait for the facts to come out because sometimes, they won't! On the other hand you shouldn't always rush to judgement either.
All of these police incident threads in the news and to some extent on social media are really starting to become depressing. Not just the situations themselves but in how people discuss and address them.
I now find myself wondering how to approach a situation if something discriminatory were to happen to myself or someone I cared about. I used to believe that I should speak my mind as to what happened but now I'm not so sure anymore. Seems there is a very loud group of people that think it's all overreactions and it's frustrating to think about.
I can admit I often find myself (like many others) quick to jump to a certain conclusion based on whatever facts are available and ready at the time, I think this is kinda normal though for any person. I just more often than not keep quiet about such opinions as to not jump the gun. However considering that, I am glad there are those who are very loud and vocal about their opinions regarding these issues who speak for those that are too silent to despite the opposition. I often wonder how far the George Zimmerman case would have even gotten if there was not a loud group of people saying that an injustice had transpired or maybe what the Mike Brown case would be without that same group speaking for the alleged wrong doings in that case as well.
It's all so hard to judge because in a really weird way I think we need both types of people. You cant always wait for the facts to come out because sometimes, they won't! On the other hand you shouldn't always rush to judgement either.
What an idiot.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
Rich people.
This happens in a good majority of threads actually and so far seems to be the case for this one as well.
gutter_trash
Banned
sound like something you would hear about in Iran or Dubai
WTF
WTF
timetokill
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wow, wild 180 this thread took
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