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[CrankyJay]

It is AMAZING how my opinion of this swung from one pole to the other, just based on the recording.

The officer sounds fairly reasonable, she sounds very upset and in the wrong - at least of assuming she has rights that don't really exist.

It just makes me a little sad that I was completely ready to dismiss everything the officer said, and assume the sound byte encapsulated the truth. But one listen to the audio and it's obvious to me at least that she probably was doing something she shouldn't have in that car, and made herself look foolish and difficult in the process.

After the past month GAF has had with police stories, I don't blame you.

The other annoying issue is some people think you don't have to show ID to a cop at all...but in this instance he has a right to ask since he was called to the scene by a third party witness. It's not like he was just walking by and decided to harass her.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I'm glad I waited For the context for this story to make more sense.

She sounds like a complete snob the way she talked to those cops.

Does anyone else think those "cops are all racist assholes" posters are going to come back and read the TMZ report or just assume that Cops are going to always going to be racist assholes in every single story that gets posted in OT?

 

[depths20XX]

Wait, so the actress was giving a total bullshit story?

Goddamn

 

[Volimar]

I'm glad I waited For the context for this story to make more sense.

She sounds like a complete snob the way she talked to those cops.

Does anyone else think those "cops are all racist assholes" posters are going to come back and read the TMZ report or just assume that Cops are going to always going to be racist assholes in every single story that gets posted in OT?

Of course, now every thread will have people using this one to urge people to wait till the facts come out before going for the jugular. It won't do any good, but it'll happen.

 

[kruis]

So this woman was seen having sex with her boyfriend in a car with the door open, was arresed for indecent exposure and then she spouts the following:

As I was sitting in the back of the police car, I remembered the countless times my father came home frustrated or humiliated by the cops when he had done nothing wrong, " she wrote in the post.

"I felt his shame, his anger, and my own feelings of frustration for existing in a world where I have allowed myself to believe that “authority figures” could control my BEING… my ability to BE!!!!!!!"

Those cops could not stop me from expressing myself. They could not stop the cathartic tears and rage from flowing out of me. They could not force me to feel bad about myself. Yes, they had control over my physical body, but not my emotions.

Stop having sex in public instead of playing the race card or crying about not being able to freely express your indivuality. ...

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I'm glad I waited For the context for this story to make more sense.

She sounds like a complete snob the way she talked to those cops.

Does anyone else think those "cops are all racist assholes" posters are going to come back and read the TMZ report or just assume that Cops are going to always going to be racist assholes in every single story that gets posted in OT?

No, most of them will do what the majority of the posters who judge situations before all of the details are out do, constantly talk about how they were right when the facts line up with how they feel about the situation and go totally MIA as soon as something that proves that they were wrong so they don't have to eat crow.

You won't hear from them until another story comes out for them to get angry about.

 

[shuri]

Also, more to this: why would you acting like a dick to cops. Don't people want this to go down as smoothly as possible? It seems, from reading the posts here, that you can refuse to show your ID and refuse for them to search your car; but honestly; it looks suspicious as heck or feels like you just want to be a smartass. Legal or not.

I would just hand in my id, I don't give a damn; I'm not running from the law. Cops just want to scan it to see if you have unpaid tickets, warrants, stuff like that, it's just a security check. They don't know you, they have no idea, you could be some crazy criminal on the run. It's just a technical thing they have to do when they interact with you.

That's even how they caught the Later Days Saints leader who was on the run from the FBI and was on the top 10 most wanted. Cops randomly stopped his car after his bodyguard ran a traffic light and when they checked his ID, they found out it was him. I know its an extreme case, but it's just the kind of reasons why they check for this.

Why piss people off, why act like a smartass, just hand them your damn id, be neutral and cooperative.. Why start shit?

 

[lednerg]

After the past month GAF has had with police stories, I don't blame you.

The other annoying issue is some people think you don't have to show ID to a cop at all...but in this instance he has a right to ask since he was called to the scene by a third party witness. It's not like he was just walking by and decided to harass her.

You're not required to have ID on you unless you're operating a vehicle. In the context of the bullshit story, she was being arrested and handcuffed for simply not showing ID, which made absolutely no sense. Of course that story failed to mention the whole 'fucking in view of the public' part. The cop did, like he explained, have ample reason to get her information.

 

[Arozay]

The first few pages of this thread are a great read now.

 

[depths20XX]

It's really amazing how you can have a story that literally just says, "So and so says this happened" with nothing from the other side and people go ape shit over it.

I mean it's an understanable response but the media was pretty terrible for releasing this story so soon. This actress is pretty terrible too.

 

[Vagabundo]

Fuck sake. She can't just hang around and not be hassled by cops. Damn right she was upset.

I'd be fucking livid if I was her.

 

[Nesotenso]

lol America, your society is so fucked up.

This could have happened anywhere!

Spoiler

(Anywhere in the US, maybe).

eh,......

 

[Paskil]

Yep, I was wrong. Interested to see how the rest of this plays out.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Fuck sake. She can't just hang around and not be hassled by cops. Damn right she was upset.

I'd be fucking livid if I was her.

You mean if you were the cop right?

If you were her, you'd have to be embarrassed for being caught having sex in public.

 

[Vagabundo]

You mean if you were the cop right?

If you were her, you'd have to be embarrassed for being caught having sex in public.

Making out=sex?

 

[Schattenjäger]

Of course, now every thread will have people using this one to urge people to wait till the facts come out before going for the jugular. It won't do any good, but it'll happen.

Yea still happening .. Unfortunate

 

[Zen_Arcade]

The first few pages of this thread are a great read now.

The best part is the people who got banned for being completely sensible about the situation and not jumping to conclusions. I don't know how people here try and deny the fact that there are topics here that you can't talk about unless you're agreeing completely with the majority. Anything other then total agreement gets you banned or at the very least chided until you leave the topic.

Opening your mind to a different viewpoint to learn? Nah, fuck that.

i like how there is no middle ground ever on these forums.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Making out=sex?

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio/

The best part is the people who got banned for being completely sensible about the situation and not jumping to conclusions. I don't know how people here try and deny the fact that there are topics here that you can't talk about unless you're agreeing completely with the majority. Anything other then total agreement gets you banned.

This post in retrospect made me laugh.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129920183&postcount=75

 

[Infinite]

The best part is the people who got banned for being completely sensible about the situation and not jumping to conclusions. I don't know how people here try and deny the fact that there are topics here that you can't talk about unless you're agreeing completely with the majority. Anything other then total agreement gets you banned.

You're kidding. That guy didn't get banned for being sensible and objective. Also I'm pretty sure you can PM a mod and discuss moderation instead of taking passive aggressive pot shots in an unrelated thread.

 

[Vagabundo]

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio/

Where is the sex? All I hear is something being detained - and get upset - for not showing ID.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

No, most of them will do what the majority of the posters who judge situations before all of the details are out do, constantly talk about how they were right when the facts line up with how they feel about the situation and go totally MIA as soon as something that proves that they were wrong so they don't have to eat crow.

You won't hear from them until another story comes out for them to get angry about.

oh please. this post is silly.

 

[depths20XX]

OP should probably be updated.

 

[wildfire]

Someone missed the audio update...btw, she wasn't arrested.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/django-actress-daniele-watts-lapd-race-card-fame-audio/

Legally speaking she wasn't arrested but socially it's obvious why anyone would think she was. Why put people in cuffs if you are only going to be questioning them? We know the reason why in this case but if you are passing by on the street you wouldn't know that.

Of course, now every thread will have people using this one to urge people to wait till the facts come out before going for the jugular. It won't do any good, but it'll happen.

That will be fun!

 

[DoktorEvil]

Where is the sex? All I hear is something being detained - and get upset - for not showing ID.

Daniele Watts had just left CBS studios in the San Fernando Valley around 2 PM Thursday. She says she was making out with her BF, but we've learned witnesses from the nearby Directors Guild office building told cops they were watching her and her BF have full-on sex in the passenger seat WITH THE DOOR OPEN!

The eyewitnesses said the guy was sitting in the seat, she was straddling him and it was for everyone to see. One eyewitness told cops they cleaned themselves up afterward with a tissue.

TMZ obtained police audio of the incident. Watts instantly plays the race card when Sgt. Jim Parker asked for her ID. She quickly moves from the race card to the fame card -- then storms off, refusing to show her ID.

Maybe if you listen to the audio as well, you wouldn't keep saying "cops can't detain her for id".

 

[Chariot]

Where is the sex? All I hear is something being detained - and get upset - for not showing ID.

What about the part where the policeman tell her that he is here because someone called the police of people doing "lewd things" in the car. I think some eyewitnesses stated that mrs Watts and her husband had sexual intercourse in the car and already cleaned up when the police arrived.

 

[Vagabundo]

Maybe if you listen to the audio as well, you wouldn't keep saying "cops can't detain her for id".

Open and shut case then. I suppose they were both arrested and charged with lewd conduct or something similar?

I never claimed "cops can't detain her for id". Cops can do lots of things. It doesn't mean they should.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

You're kidding. That guy didn't get banned for being sensible and objective. Also I'm pretty sure you can PM a mod and discuss moderation instead of taking passive aggressive pot shots in an unrelated thread.

Unless s/he got banned for posting in another thread (Which I don't think is the case, unless s/he got banned in the Dangonropa thread.), it seemed like s/he was saying that people shouldn't judge until they had both sides of the situation while you jumped to conclusions.

In fact this:

I don't see what the problem is. We have one side of the story and its fairly bare bones. You don't get the whole truth from one side.

was their last post before they got banned. I don't see how you could be any more sensible and objective. I also don't see how this thread is "Unrelated" considering it is the same thread they got banned in.

And PMing a Mod would be a complete waste of time. They were the ones who were unreasonable in the first place. I'm sure PMing them and telling them that they banned people for absolutely no reason will really do a lot of good.

oh please. this post is silly.

This topic jumped to 14 pages in less then a day and a half. Check in at noon tomorrow and see if there is another 14 pages here. I'm sure everyone from the first 14 pages will be dying to come back and admit they were wrong. There will be some, but most of them will ignore this thread until it goes away and pretend like it never happened.

 

[KrellRell]

So this was a non-story after all, now that we hear the audio. But regardless people have called the officer a racist bastard for 12 pages and I also had strong reservations as to how they handled the situation.

This is what happens when both sides have preconceptions and biases, makes it harder for police officers to perform their job properly.

So much of this in a lot of threads. Disagree with the popular opinion on this forum and you're a POS, likely get banned too.

 

[Funky Papa]

GAF is not perfect, but I'm sure the mods are doing some serious pondering ATM.

 

[Infinite]

Unless s/he got banned for posting in another thread (Which I don't think is the case, unless s/he got banned in the Dangonropa thread.), it seemed like s/he was saying that people shouldn't judge until they had both sides of the situation while you jumped to conclusions.

In fact this:



was their last post before they got banned. I don't see how you could be any more sensible and objective. I also don't see how this thread is "Unrelated" considering it is the same thread they got banned in.

And PMing a Mod would be a complete waste of time. They were the ones who were unreasonable in the first place. I'm sure PMing them and telling them that they banned people for absolutely no reason will really do a lot of good.


This topic jumped to 14 pages in less then a day and a half. Check in at noon tomorrow and see if there is another 14 pages here. I'm sure everyone from the first 14 pages will be dying to come back and admit they were wrong. There will be some, but most of them will ignore this thread until it goes away and pretend like it never happened.

I don't even...let me not even bother.

 

[DopeToast]

So embarrassing. The police should be ashamed of themselves, but they most likely won't be. She should sue them if she can.

 

[ponpo]

So fucking embarrassing. The police should be ashamed of themselves, but they most likely won't be. She should sue the fuck out of them if she can.

lol

Anyway I don't think this is a mod issue at all but I hope people are less inclined to call people racists if they say something like 'I'll wait for both sides of the story' or whatever.

 

[Htown]

So we should have no problem with cops being recorded from now on, correct?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I don't even...let me not even bother.

I'd rather you didn't anyway.

 

[Weiss]

I would like to speak on behalf of everyone who assumed the police officers were once again acting like power mad thugs against a helpless black person. Truly, such a thing would never happen in post-racism USA.

 

[DoktorEvil]

So we should have no problem with cops being recorded from now on, correct?

If you don't, make sure to vote for your next politician that will enact it.

In this case, recorded audio saved 2 cops from being falsely accused of racial profiling.

 

[wildfire]

I wouldn't mind if Sorian had his or her ban lifted if that was the post that triggered the ban.

 

[Infinite]

So we should have no problem with cops being recorded from now on, correct?

I still think police body cameras won't mean anything if the department controls the footage.

I'd rather you didn't anyway.

I'll let you grind your axe in a corner somewhere because that's all you want to do.

I wouldn't mind if Sorian had his or her ban lifted if that was the post that triggered the ban.

That's not what triggered the banned.

 

[kruis]

Unless s/he got banned for posting in another thread (Which I don't think is the case, unless s/he got banned in the Dangonropa thread.), it seemed like s/he was saying that people shouldn't judge until they had both sides of the situation while you jumped to conclusions.

In fact this:



was their last post before they got banned. I don't see how you could be any more sensible and objective. I also don't see how this thread is "Unrelated" considering it is the same thread they got banned in.

And PMing a Mod would be a complete waste of time. They were the ones who were unreasonable in the first place. I'm sure PMing them and telling them that they banned people for absolutely no reason will really do a lot of good.


This topic jumped to 14 pages in less then a day and a half. Check in at noon tomorrow and see if there is another 14 pages here. I'm sure everyone from the first 14 pages will be dying to come back and admit they were wrong. There will be some, but most of them will ignore this thread until it goes away and pretend like it never happened.

Sorian's ban was nonsense. He wasn't blaming the victim, he just said there was nothing wrong with being asked to show your ID. There are many European countries where law requires citizes to have an ID with them at all times: Germany, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Luxemburg, Belgium, Luxemburg, all the ex-Jugoslavian countries, Romania, Bulgaria ...

Coming from that perspective, yes, being asked by the police to show ID is not a big thing. And that was what Sorian was arguing, nothing more, nothing less.

Absolutely no reason for a ban.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

yeah and you know where it is right? ez

Not sure why you continue to miss the point. The point is that many police forces are against expensive things because they can't afford them. If you want to donate cameras to those police forces, I doubt they'd be as resistant as they are now. Saying they're fighting tooth and nail to not be forced to equip themselves with cameras misrepresents the situation. I don't really care to argue about the speed trap example, but go ahead and travel through the boonies of Arkansas (where I'm from) and let me know how great you feel about the speed traps here. I guarantee you that those who have to travel through the great state of Arkansas for one reason or another won't consider it "ez" to avoid the speed traps of small towns (that are probably not even labeled on maps) with hidden/obscured speed limit signs.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I still think police body cameras won't mean anything if the department controls the footage.



I'll let you grind your axe in a corner somewhere because that's all you want to do.


That's not what triggered the banned.

I'll let you jump to conclusions over in your corner as well, just don't jump over my way.

 

[Chariot]

There are a lot of posts that look awkward now, but I really love this:

Are you white? Just curious. You're delusional if you think this isn't about race. Totally Nazi Germany man.

He responded to Sorian who claimed that the USA isn't Nazi germany just because the police want to see the ID. I too think that his posts weren't bad.

 

[depths20XX]

That's not what triggered the banned.

What was it then? I really am curious as his posts didn't seem that bad from what I've seen.

 

[DoktorEvil]

What was it then? I really am curious as his posts didn't seem that bad from what I've seen.

PM a Mod and ask.

I don't know which Mod banned him/her, but any of them would be able to tell you why he/she was banned.

I didn't see a Mod anywhere in the thread who posted.

 

[Htown]

I still think police body cameras won't mean anything if the department controls the footage.

Yeah, in my most cynical moments, I expect footage to mysteriously go missing if something goes wrong.

 

[Vagabundo]

So we should have no problem with cops being recorded from now on, correct?

Definitely should happen and the footage should be held by a civilian oversight board.

 

[Chariot]

Yeah, in my most cynical moments, I expect footage to mysteriously go missing if something goes wrong.

Still, it's an important step in the right direction.

 

[Mesousa]

That may be a career deathblow.

 

[SkeptiMism]

This is really sad and messed up.

The reason why it's so messed up is obvious, but the reason why it's so sad is that every time actual stories of racism happen, the general populace's attitude moves slightly to seeing that racism really happens a lot (even if there is the usual outcry from some people).

But when things like this happen, it's like a massive fuel dose for those not willing to accept that racism really is a big issue. People who haven't really made up their mind but are still skeptical for whatever reason can easily be turned to the wrong side too by single stories like this. It's really sad.
This is of course a bit of a simplification, but that's how I largely see it.

Unless s/he got banned for posting in another thread (Which I don't think is the case, unless s/he got banned in the Dangonropa thread.), it seemed like s/he was saying that people shouldn't judge until they had both sides of the situation while you jumped to conclusions.

In fact this:



was their last post before they got banned. I don't see how you could be any more sensible and objective. I also don't see how this thread is "Unrelated" considering it is the same thread they got banned in.

And PMing a Mod would be a complete waste of time. They were the ones who were unreasonable in the first place. I'm sure PMing them and telling them that they banned people for absolutely no reason will really do a lot of good.


This topic jumped to 14 pages in less then a day and a half. Check in at noon tomorrow and see if there is another 14 pages here. I'm sure everyone from the first 14 pages will be dying to come back and admit they were wrong. There will be some, but most of them will ignore this thread until it goes away and pretend like it never happened.

As a warning, talking about moderation publicly isn't allowed. There's a reason for that (and it's very practical and not only to shut down all criticism towards the moderation). I'm not saying this to backseat mod, but to give you a fair warning.

You can and absolutely should PM to mods if you feel like talking about moderation. You can even PM to multiple mods if you feel like it. They will talk with you if you bother to talk with them. Plenty of people have done that when there's been controversial topics. Even Bish is happy to talk about moderation issues. Of course, that applies only if you PM to them and make your case well instead of screaming to them how the moderation is messed up. Mods do recognize that they're not perfect but just human and they make mistakes. They have also apologized at times.

If you take the passive aggressive stance that it would just be bad to PM them and instead choose to talk about their decisions here like that, it's very possible you'll just get banned.

 

[Infinite]

Yeah, in my most cynical moments, I expect footage to mysteriously go missing if something goes wrong.

I wouldn't even say you're being cynical. The whole reason in requesting that they wear body cameras because of too many stories of police abuse of power which ends up in a civilian's word against officer's. If we don't completely trusts the police why trust them with camera footage.

My uncle who has been a cop for ten plus years also thinks but he thinks that this empowers the police more since audio and video recordings are powerful. Perhaps he's the cynical one.

Definitely should happen and the footage should be held by a civilian oversight board.

Agreed